Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Festerz]

Yes but what do think it is? Everyone getting along? A lot of people don’t want to get along. They want to kill somebody.

How can it happen?

Hang on. Don't point the finger at me to help you out here mate.

You've posted on this and other threads multiple times since December demanding that Albanese take action on implementing the recommendations of the Special Envoy's Plan to Combat Antisemitism in Australia. IN FULL.

And now you're telling us you don't understand the fundamental principal underpinning that Report? And that Albanese including the concept of 'social cohesion' in the formal terms of the Federal Royal Commission sets of an 'alarm bell' about the focus and legitimacy of the Royal Commission?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Yes but what do think it is? Everyone getting along? A lot of people don’t want to get along. They want to kill somebody.

How can it happen?

Probably shouldn't have opened the doors to a heap of Zionist baby murderers, but I guess it's too late to shut the gates now.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yes but what do think it is? Everyone getting along? A lot of people don’t want to get along. They want to kill somebody.

How can it happen?

You subscribe to an entity that has been demonising minorities for decades.

Stop giving Murdoch money, for starters. Stop parroting the nonsense they feed you.

You are an active and willing participant of a much larger problem. Stop pretending otherwise.

 

[CakeEater]

There's no suggestion the shooters attended pro Palestinian protests or even had sympathies there

Islamic state and Palestine arent exactly besties.

In fact they hate each other

 

[Markfs]

I just had this random thought that it would be great if the RC banned all religions in Australia. Ban cigarettes and religion.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I just had this random thought that it would be great if the RC banned all religions in Australia. Ban cigarettes and religion.

And gambling.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I just had this random thought that it would be great if the RC banned all religions in Australia. Ban cigarettes and religion.

My brother tells me he can now acquire a packet of illegals for $7.50 these days in a much welcome cost of living outcome

 

[Saint]

My brother tells me he can now acquire a packet of illegals for $7.50 these days in a much welcome cost of living outcome

I demand a Royal Commission

 

[Carn The Berries]

I’d wager that the Jewish community don’t want to “whack Albo’s Labor govt”, but don’t want him and his crew (or the State Governments) to be free of criticism.

All governments of all levels and whatever political persuasion were quick to denounce antisemitic attacks (threats, graffiti, arson, vandalism and ultimately terrorism), but few have made efforts to proactively highlight the issues and educate against it.

I can’t recall how bad it was here for the Islamic community here post 9/11, but it definitely wasn’t as horrific and concentrated as against the Jewish community here post October 7.

Albo setting up the RC is a sign of strength, not weakness. I think he needs to confront his shortcomings as a leader. I believe that he thinks that if he is a decent bloke whose heart is in the right place (and I believe he does) then that’s good enough. But when things were running away and escalating like it did with this bout of antisemitism, we needed stronger leadership/addresses from leaders and even a national advertising campaign.

Because it's been a walk in the park for immigrants lately... Given the "f*** off we're full protests".

 

[Markfs]

My brother tells me he can now acquire a packet of illegals for $7.50 these days in a much welcome cost of living outcome

On reflection, I might have been too hard on cigarettes. After all, smokers only kill themselves. Religions do damage to others.

 

[Gavin Excell]

On reflection, I might have been too hard on cigarettes. After all, smokers only kill themselves. Religions do damage to others.

And great value too at $7.50

 

[FIGJAM]

Because it's been a walk in the park for immigrants lately... Given the "f*** off we're full protests".

Are you trying do to draw equivalency between how immigrants feel from the two relatively small 'March for Australia' protests in March and October of last year, versus the Jewish community having to deal with over 2 years of direct threats, hate filled graffiti, vandalism of cars, firebombing of places of worship, physical violence and a terrorist attack that eventuated in the cold-blooded murder of their people, not to mention the physical and mental scarring of many other Aussies who were there that day?

 

[Markfs]

And great value too at $7.50

thats so true. you'd have to be crazy to spend $70 on killing yourself if you could do it for $7-50

 

[Markfs]

Are you trying do to draw equivalency between how immigrants feel from the two relatively small 'March for Australia' protests in March and October of last year, versus the Jewish community having to deal with over 2 years of direct threats, hate filled graffiti, vandalism of cars, firebombing of places of worship, physical violence and a terrorist attack that eventuated in the cold-blooded murder of their people, not to mention the physical and mental scarring of many other Aussies who were there that day?

wonderful post...lets hear more about the holocaust.

 

[Saint]

Are you trying do to draw equivalency between how immigrants feel from the two relatively small 'March for Australia' protests in March and October of last year, versus the Jewish community having to deal with over 2 years of direct threats, hate filled graffiti, vandalism of cars, firebombing of places of worship, physical violence and a terrorist attack that eventuated in the cold-blooded murder of their people, not to mention the physical and mental scarring of many other Aussies who were there that day?

You're linking a bunch of stuff with a horrific act when there's no evidence (yet) that the things are all linked. That's what the Royal Commission is supposed to discover.

Maybe it turns out these two have been radicals and planning this for 5 years in which case the last 2 might be irrelevant.

But we all know that the only findings that the Zionists like Frydenberg will find satisfactory is the banning of criticism of Israel. Anything else will be unacceptable.

I honestly don't know what else they want out of it. The only hate symbols currently banned are hate symbols related to anti-semitism (hitler salutes and swastikas).

I wonder if you could tell me what other outcome you think is being sought other than seeking protection of Israel's crimes?

 

[Gavin Excell]

thats so true. you'd have to be crazy to spend $70 on killing yourself if you could do it for $7-50

Reminds me of old Woody Allen joke


"a guy walks into a psychiatrist's office and says, hey doc, my brother's crazy! He thinks he's a chicken. Then the doc says, why don't you turn him in? Then the guy says, I would but I need the eggs"

 

[JackOutback]

Are you trying do to draw equivalency between how immigrants feel from the two relatively small 'March for Australia' protests in March and October of last year, versus the Jewish community having to deal with over 2 years of direct threats, hate filled graffiti, vandalism of cars, firebombing of places of worship, physical violence and a terrorist attack that eventuated in the cold-blooded murder of their people, not to mention the physical and mental scarring of many other Aussies who were there that day?

In the last 10 years, there have been multiple incidents of racist graffiti against Muslims, a mosque was firebombed, following the Hamas attacks on October 7 there was an increase in attacks on property, threats of gun violence and spitting on women, and an Australian neo-nazi moved to New Zealand and murdered 51 Muslims in their church. Just because very few people give a shit about attacks on Muslim people and the mainstream media is telling you attacks on Jewish people are unprecedented, there is actually an equivalency here.

 

[Markfs]

i was watching a bit of the tennis yesterday - Marta Kostyuk - and some of it involves appreciating tennis. Anyway, it got me thinking that ukrainian australians havent firebombed russian orthodox churches in australia. In fact, I cant remember seeing russian australians complaining about being abused on the streets.

Now the parallels with the jewish situation dont end there, over 25 million russians died in WW2. Russians can certainly complain about losing close family members, I'm sure. However, I never hear about any of this. I cant remember having an RC on this

 

[FIGJAM]

You're linking a bunch of stuff with a horrific act when there's no evidence (yet) that the things are all linked. That's what the Royal Commission is supposed to discover.

They are all linked by way of the fact that they were antisemitic in nature and that there has been a massive surge of these crimes since 7 October 2023.

The terrorists as being on ASIO's radar prior to October 7 (which they were) does not make this attack any less antisemitic. This was not a Lindt cafe lone wolf attack. This was as predictable as bushfires in Australia during a heatwave, only we did very little proactively to prevent them or minimise the outcome.

But we all know that the only findings that the Zionists like Frydenberg will find satisfactory is the banning of criticism of Israel. Anything else will be unacceptable.

I honestly don't know what else they want out of it. The only hate symbols currently banned are hate symbols related to anti-semitism (hitler salutes and swastikas).

I wonder if you could tell me what other outcome you think is being sought other than seeking protection of Israel's crimes?

I wouldn't assume that the whole of local Jewish community would be suggesting that criticism of Israel would or should be banned. That is a violation of free speech. I don't know any Jewish person who doesn't like having their opinion heard!

As a point of reference, the Ukraine-Russia war has been going on concurrently and almost everyone in the west has been extremely critical of Putin, Lavrov and his cronies. But I can't recall any Russians getting abused in the street, death threats, graffiti, vandalism etc. In fact, the only actions we have engaged in against the Russians and Belarusians collectively, is the blacking out of their flags during sporting events (which pisses me off royally going into tennis season!).

I would argue that the Australian Jewish community are kinda after the same treatment as Australian based Russians. The Jewish community can't be held accountable for what is happening half a world away. I can't even hold Russians who live in Russia to account for their government, given that they can't even run politically!

Australia needs to be a safe haven from this bullshit.

 

[Saint]

They are all linked by way of the fact that they were antisemitic in nature and that there has been a massive surge of these crimes since 7 October 2023.

The terrorists as being on ASIO's radar prior to October 7 (which they were) does not make this attack any less antisemitic. This was not a Lindt cafe lone wolf attack. This was as predictable as bushfires in Australia during a heatwave, only we did very little proactively to prevent them or minimise the outcome.



I wouldn't assume that the whole of local Jewish community would be suggesting that criticism of Israel would or should be banned. That is a violation of free speech. I don't know any Jewish person who doesn't like having their opinion heard!

As a point of reference, the Ukraine-Russia war has been going on concurrently and almost everyone in the west has been extremely critical of Putin, Lavrov and his cronies. But I can't recall any Russians getting abused in the street, death threats, graffiti, vandalism etc. In fact, the only actions we have engaged in against the Russians and Belarusians collectively, is the blacking out of their flags during sporting events (which pisses me off royally going into tennis season!).

I would argue that the Australian Jewish community are kinda after the same treatment as Australian based Russians. The Jewish community can't be held accountable for what is happening half a world away. I can't even hold Russians who live in Russia to account for their government, given that they can't even run politically!

Australia needs to be a safe haven from this bullshit.

The point of difference is that nobody locally is supporting what Russia is doing, except that idiot who has had to hide out in the Russian embassy.

Australia kicked Russia out of its embassy.
A man drove his car into the Russian embassy.
Somebody threw a dead possum into the embassy grounds.

There are Australians living in Australia right now who have supported the genocide. Some have fought with the IDF in it. It doesn't mean Jews (or even Israel supporters, unless they defend the genocide) as a group should be punished, but it is a big difference between the Russian and Israeli example you've put forward.

If somebody had fought for the Iranian or Russian military, they wouldn't be allowed back in, but Israelis get special treatment. And the Israeli lobby was still upset about it, long before the Bondi attack. They won't be appeased with reason or a Royal Commission. They just wanted it to be an extension of the anti-semitism envoy who asked for lots of special treatment.

 

[Lia]

Can't say I've seen many Russians or Russian Australians here justifying or supporting their actions in Ukraine.

 

[Markfs]

As a point of reference, the Ukraine-Russia war has been going on concurrently and almost everyone in the west has been extremely critical of Putin, Lavrov and his cronies. But I can't recall any Russians getting abused in the street, death threats, graffiti, vandalism etc. In fact, the only actions we have engaged in against the Russians and Belarusians collectively, is the blacking out of their flags during sporting events (which pisses me off royally going into tennis season!).

Russian-Australians seem to be able to distance themselves from the Russian gov't. There's a lesson in that.

 

[FIGJAM]

The point of difference is that nobody locally is supporting what Russia is doing, except that idiot who has had to hide out in the Russian embassy.

Australia kicked Russia out of its embassy.
A man drove his car into the Russian embassy.
Somebody threw a dead possum into the embassy grounds.

There are Australians living in Australia right now who have supported the genocide. Some have fought with the IDF in it. It doesn't mean Jews (or even Israel supporters, unless they defend the genocide) as a group should be punished, but it is a big difference between the Russian and Israeli example you've put forward.

If somebody had fought for the Iranian or Russian military, they wouldn't be allowed back in, but Israelis get special treatment. And the Israeli lobby was still upset about it, long before the Bondi attack. They won't be appeased with reason or a Royal Commission. They just wanted it to be an extension of the anti-semitism envoy who asked for lots of special treatment.

There are big differences in the conflicts obviously and I'm not asking for a perfect parallel in my reasoning.

Russia's reasoning for going further advancement into Ukraine territories in 2022 and subsequent deplacement of millions of people and killing of around 140,000 Ukrainians are debatable and/or dubious (NATO expansion threat, de-Nazification of Ukraine, preventing genocide in Donbas etc.).

Conversely, Israel taking action against Hamas is perfectly justifiable given that Hamas engaged in the war crimes of indiscriminately murdering and raping civilians, then taking many hostages and torturing, starving and killing them. I think the Israel government have gone about it pretty much the opposite as to how I'd have gone about it, but they've chosen their path.

My take is that none of this should matter here in Australia. It's half a world away and in light of the Jewish community here being of zero risk to us, then they should be left the **** alone. So should the Russian community. So should the Islamic community post 9/11, Bali Bombings etc. So too should US residents when Trump annexes Greenland.

You complain about the "antisemitism envoy" like it's a made up hype machine, but take a step back and tell me which group in recent history has ever copped shit like they have in the past 2.25 years?

 

[FIGJAM]

Can't say I've seen many Russians or Russian Australians here justifying or supporting their actions in Ukraine.

I'm sure some Russians in their homes have backed Putin.

I know many Jews who don't like what the Israeli government are doing, but it is complicated by the fact that Hamas have held hostages for 2 years and that actions of some sort have been required.

 

[Markfs]

There are big differences in the conflicts obviously and I'm not asking for a perfect parallel in my reasoning.

Russia's reasoning for going further advancement into Ukraine territories in 2022 and subsequent deplacement of millions of people and killing of around 140,000 Ukrainians are debatable and/or dubious (NATO expansion threat, de-Nazification of Ukraine, preventing genocide in Donbas etc.).

Conversely, Israel taking action against Hamas is perfectly justifiable given that Hamas engaged in the war crimes of indiscriminately murdering and raping civilians, then taking many hostages and torturing, starving and killing them. I think the Israel government have gone about it pretty much the opposite as to how I'd have gone about it, but they've chosen their path.

My take is that none of this should matter here in Australia. It's half a world away and in light of the Jewish community here being of zero risk to us, then they should be left the **** alone. So should the Russian community. So should the Islamic community post 9/11, Bali Bombings etc. So too should US residents when Trump annexes Greenland.

You complain about the "antisemitism envoy" like it's a made up hype machine, but take a step back and tell me which group in recent history has ever copped shit like they have in the past 2.25 years?

Conveniently forgot the killing of tens of thousands of civilians.....

Look to the left of this post and you will see 5 year old Hind Rajab who was murdered in a car after a tank had killed her cousins inside the car so that Hind had to sit in the car and await her death. The IDF used her to lure a palestinian ambulance who tried to save her but the two inside were also murdered....

The movie is out soon if you need reminding.