Review R1: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[Gtowncrow]

IF ... and it's a big IF ... that's what happened, I'll be very happily surprised.

Is it possible that Nicks and Murray have worked out ways to get the Crows to pace and control a game (speed up, defend/slow down/speed up again/absorb etc)?
Bloody great, if yes.

If you're right, then a slow and dour start to an away season opener helps stop us from getting blown away early and the magpie army getting us to surrender to their pressure.

Once the game rhythm was equalised, it was a fair fight from then on.

And we won that fight.

 

[Cromulant]

So Toby Murray was given 32% game time. The next lowest out of the other 45 players on the ground was Soligo with 60%. McStay with 62% was the lowest time on ground for Collingwood.

Can we really afford to have someone sitting on the pine for 2/3 of the match?

I think its a horses for courses thing..itll work sometimes and sometimes theres no need for it.

I'll be very interested to see who comes out for Rankine.

The Dogs have enormous run from defence so even 3 talls might be too many, let alone 4.

 

[119others]

Whats also awesome is look where Fog is..

He must’ve absolute sprinted back at a hundred mile an hour to get back to take the mark he did..

Workrate.

I agree… Fog was a little quiet last night.. but he’s still sharing a forward line with a man mountain and a bloke called Tex that the team still always looks for first and foremost.

When tex retires (end of this year) the Fog doubters will disappear pretty quickly.

i really hope you are right. we desperately need fog to be much better than he has been collectively in the last year or 2. he needs to stand up and demand to be second fiddle. needs to play in front of opponents, beat smaller opponents who weigh 10-15 kg less. its his 9th year though isnt it? i had hoped he would be a comparable talent to tex but we all know thats not happening and thats ok, but he still needs to produce much more than he has been

remember second half of last year - 4 goals TOTAL in 7 games verse finals teams. in no world, is that anywhere near good enough. cmon fog, need you to come good here big time for us to really contend

 

[Mutineer]

I think he's being sarcastic

So why bring me into it, unlike Vader I've always thought Cook was an AFL player if he got his act together at the level and nobody has heaped as much crap on Cumming as 1970 who has most certainly been a bit disappointing up to last night.

 

[Bearded Clam]

ROB & Adelaide's problem is that the AFL announced the ruck rule changes a few months after his contract was signed. Without those rule changes, he's still Adelaide's #1 ruckman, and the 3-year contract looks sensible - not the horrendous error it now appears. ROB's contract was announced in July, which is late enough in the season to have a reasonable idea of his form going forwards.

The problem with ROB is that his game style has been absolutely neutered by the AFL's late decision to change the rules. His game style was rendered dead, just as the Dinosaurs went extinct within days of the Yucatan meteor impact. Both happened with little (if any) warning.

His 3-year contract is something we're going to have to live with - but it was a sensible decision based on the information available at the time, and there was nothing wrong with the timing of his contract negotiations.

Nah, come on Vader, you can say it..

Even without the rule change ROB’s new contract was a disaster. The bloke is a ****ing hack.. an absolute gumby who when he wasnt tapping to the oppositions mids was stumbling around in our forward line getting in the way of tex, fog and TT thinking he was some sort of gun KPF/ruck..

There’s no defending his 3 year contract regardless of the rule changes.

We can only hope some other club needs a ruck come trade week and takes him off our hands for free (free meaning we dont have to pay any of his wages moving forward and dont have to give them any trade collateral!)

Just a shit ruckman. Always has been.

No need to keep defending it anymore!

 

[jbanger]

You don't think the best player on the ground can come from the losing team?

Would the result have changed if Daicos didn't play?
Now ask the same question of Milera.

Pretty obvious who was BOG.

 

[1970crow]

And?

Care to explain what the point you're trying to make has to do with with me and what I posted?

You posted that Cumming had his best game for the club. That can’t be true because his role isn’t to get the football. Getting it 19 times and kicking 2 goals means he couldn’t have been playing to instructions.

 

[Cromulant]

So why bring me into it, unlike Vader I've always thought Cook was an AFL player if he got his act together at the level and nobody has heaped as much crap on Cumming as 1970 who has most certainly been a bit disappointing up to last night.

Yeah he has been, more of that from the 2 wingers this year please.

Isaac did that early last season too but drifted off to nothing so consistency is key. Cook looked real good at times.

 

[CrowBloke]

If you're right, then a slow and dour start to an away season opener helps stop us from getting blown away early and the magpie army getting us to surrender to their pressure.

Once the game rhythm was equalised, it was a fair fight from then on.

And we won that fight.

Really good post.
Have a look at the game 'worm' here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/match-centre/AFL20260106

It was a tight arm-wrestle to half-time, with slight advantage to us.
But the THIRD quarter was massive and set up the win. They came back at us in the last, but the boys steadied, absorbed and fought back nicely.

 

[119others]

Just on the so called “controversial” 50’s..

Everyone in regards to the one with Tex is going on about the stand rule and how the pies players all ran away from the mark.. but Im not sure that that is why the umpire paid it.

Look at the footage… I think it may have actually been paid for Daicos running through the protected zone.. and Daicos even has his hands up knowing he’s guilty of it.. and the umpire is looking at daicos when he pays it..

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Not sure i love the rule but Pies havent adapted. I noticed another clear breach by Sidebottom in the third quarter when we chipped the ball from the boundary line to Milera standing on the half back flank and he was looking to transfer play to the outer wing. Sidey clearly was within 5 metres and kept moving back on the mark and it should have been a 50 and wasnt paid. Sidey even put his hands up in the air as a guilty sign. Thankfully Nicks and co have so far drilled our players to be much more disciplined with this new rule which can really cause pain

 

[n4sir]

... a wafer-thin, after-dinner mint?

 

[1970crow]

his place will be in danger if her keeps that up and when hinge is ready to return

I doubt his place will come under scrutiny. He’ll keep racking up possessions, what he does they value. I don’t, and others are staring to concur, but the coaches must rate his playing style.

 

[ABAB]

ROB & Adelaide's problem is that the AFL announced the ruck rule changes a few months after his contract was signed. Without those rule changes, he's still Adelaide's #1 ruckman, and the 3-year contract looks sensible - not the horrendous error it now appears. ROB's contract was announced in July, which is late enough in the season to have a reasonable idea of his form going forwards.

The problem with ROB is that his game style has been absolutely neutered by the AFL's late decision to change the rules. His game style was rendered dead, just as the Dinosaurs went extinct within days of the Yucatan meteor impact. Both happened with little (if any) warning.

His 3-year contract is something we're going to have to live with - but it was a sensible decision based on the information available at the time, and there was nothing wrong with the timing of his contract negotiations.

It was either 3 years at $500K for RoB (likely on less for this 3rd year) or 6 years at $700-750K for Draper. I recall reading some Brisbane posters wanted RoB over Draper. McAndrew was good in the SANFL last year so he was always a chance to overtake RoB especially with the rule change suiting how he plays so the 3rd year was bad but then would you prefer 6 years at $700K for Draper instead????

 

[119others]

I doubt his place will come under scrutiny. He’ll keep racking up possessions, what he does they value. I don’t, and others are staring to concur, but the coaches must rate his playing style.

till will tell. but you have been surprised already this year with stretch over rob havent you?

 

[ams4crows]

We need to acknowledge that was a fairly umpired game, we don't often get those against Collingwood at the MCG so it was very refreshing.

The added bonus of the 3rd quarter blitz was that finally we weren't the team trying to mount a comeback in the last quarter away from home.

 

[CrowBloke]

ROB did go through phases where he'd take contested marksehind the ball though.

Yeah, when his contract was up for renewal ... or is that too cynical?

 

[WeeBlake]

So why bring me into it, unlike Vader I've always thought Cook was an AFL player if he got his act together at the level and nobody has heaped as much crap on Cumming as 1970 who has most certainly been a bit disappointing up to last night.

What do you make of Bond? He was good in finals, but now has had enough games with shaky disposal to make me wonder if it’s an inherent problem, rather than just inexperience.

 

[ABAB]

Yeah, when his contract was up for renewal ... or is that too cynical?

Back to his 2020 best or so we thought and that was when Brisbane supporters wanted him instead of Draper lol.

 

[Gtowncrow]

McAndrews gather and handball to Keays in the 4th that resulted in the goal was amazing.

It's making me laugh just thinking of ROB trying the same gather, spin and flick pass.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Rachelle underrated game. 24 touches, clearances, goal and 10 score involvements

 

[Vader]

Nah, come on Vader, you can say it..

Even without the rule change ROB’s new contract was a disaster. The bloke is a ****ing hack.. an absolute gumby who when he wasnt tapping to the oppositions mids was stumbling around in our forward line getting in the way of tex, fog and TT thinking he was some sort of gun KPF/ruck..

There’s no defending his 3 year contract regardless of the rule changes.

We can only hope some other club needs a ruck come trade week and takes him off our hands for free (free meaning we dont have to pay any of his wages moving forward and dont have to give them any trade collateral!)

Just a shit ruckman. Always has been.

No need to keep defending it anymore!

Literally none of that is actually true.

Without the ruck rule changes, ROB is still our #1 ruckman - and McAndrew is a beanpole who gets pushed aside at ruck contests by stronger (but shorter) rucks. With the rule changes, ROB isn't allowed to use his strength, while McAndrew's height and leap suddenly become massive assets at centre throw-ups.

The ruck rule changes have been catastrophic for some players - with ROB one of the worst affected. Conversely, they've been an absolute blessing for some other players - with McAndrew one of the biggest beneficiaries. We're fortunate that the impact on ROB has been balanced (maybe even more than balanced) by the impact they've had on McAndrew.

Had they known the rule change was coming, then I have no doubt the AFC would have had second thoughts about offering ROB such a long contract. But they didn't know. Based on what was known at the time, and ROB's known form and fitness, there was no problem with offering him a 3-year contract when they did. Based on what we know now, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and knowledge of the AFL's ruck rule changes, ROB's contract is a millstone hanging around our necks.

 

[Cromulant]

Not sure i love the rule but Pies havent adapted. I noticed another clear breach by Sidebottom in the third quarter when we chipped the ball from the boundary line to Milera standing on the half back flank and he was looking to transfer play to the outer wing. Sidey clearly was within 5 metres and kept moving back on the mark and it should have been a 50 and wasnt paid. Sidey even put his hands up in the air as a guilty sign. Thankfully Nicks and co have so far drilled our players to be much more disciplined with this new rule which can really cause pain

Not to mention his gut punch which hes been getting away with for nearly 20 years.

 

[1970crow]

Would the result have changed if Daicos didn't play?
Now ask the same question of Milera.

Pretty obvious who was BOG.

I’m not arguing this game, your statement was generic with respect to a player getting 3 votes from the losing team. But yes, without Daicos they lose by more, he had a strong impact on the game. Not saying he was better than Milera though.

 

[1990crow]

Rachelle underrated game. 24 touches, clearances, goal and 10 score involvements

Watching kayo mini back his inside work in the middle was impressive.
Real weapon if we can develop him.

 

[ABAB]

Literally none of that is actually true.

Without the ruck rule changes, ROB is still our #1 ruckman - and McAndrew is a beanpole who gets pushed aside at ruck contests by stronger (but shorter) rucks. With the rule changes, ROB isn't allowed to use his strength, while McAndrew's height and leap suddenly become massive assets at centre throw-ups.

The ruck rule changes have been catastrophic for some players - with ROB one of the worst affected. Conversely, they've been an absolute blessing for some other players - with McAndrew one of the biggest beneficiaries. We're fortunate that the impact on ROB has been balanced (maybe even more than balanced) by the impact they've had on McAndrew.

Had they known the rule change was coming, then I have no doubt the AFC would have had second thoughts about offering ROB such a long contract. But they didn't know. Based on what was known at the time, and ROB's known form and fitness, there was no problem with offering him a 3-year contract when they did. Based on what we know now, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and knowledge of the AFL's ruck rule changes, ROB's contract is a millstone hanging around our necks.

Everyone knew it was being introduced, that's why Nicks still tried to convince Draper late in the season. Guess he didn't know the rule change would have suited McAndrew but then it's Nicks lol.