Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[joe444]

Logged in to BF for the first time in years. Opened this thread. Read the last page of posts. Logging back out. What a shit hole this place has become.

I wish we were all like you, thanks for the reminder.

Of course that would mean we'd only be on here when our teams were winning/premiership-relevant and we'd be able to troll in one line posts abusing people, which has been your past speciality.

Look forward to your reappearance in, say, 2029. Can't wait for the withering sarcasm.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Tigers at the very start of another rebuild.
No mess as you would like to think.

Three premierships with players all at the same group will do that.

At the very start now? I thought you had leapfrogged us but now you are at the start?

 

[joe444]

Never a bigger melt in Aussie Rules history than Steve Hocking changing rules when studying Richmond after we beat Geelong plenty of times in our Dynasty.

How about Wayne Campbell changing the rules to eliminate the third man up in 2016 after studying Geelong's use of Mark Blicavs, just in time for Richmond in 2017 to get away with using Shaun Grigg.

Disgraceful. Basically the reason for Richmond's era and everyone in the know admits it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The last 3 weeks really has been "Can we pretend the last years draft never happened and then calculate whose young list is better" copium right now. We have basically picked up 2 elite players, 3 best 23 players with Robertson/Murdock/Lindsay and then 2 guys who we will give time to develop in Williams and Sam Allen. You can add McCarthy and Newton being spiked in the mid season draft too and we have added 7 players to our best 23. Its a fairly big difference

Everyone thought the 2025 draft was going to be a abomination and we have proved that wrong

 

[banana_bus]

I wish we were all like you, thanks for the reminder.

Of course that would mean we'd only be on here when our teams were winning/premiership-relevant and we'd be able to troll in one line posts abusing people, which has been your past speciality.

Look forward to your reappearance in, say, 2029. Can't wait for the withering sarcasm.

Been here for 19 years dickhead.

 

[joe444]

Everyone thought the 2025 draft was going to be a abomination and we have proved that wrong

Amen; and yet certain clubs seem to buy into this nonsense every year.

Pick the best players, adjust your game plan to what you have, and convince the playing group you have their interests at heart (not some hypothetical team they won't be part of because this is some 'rebuild').

 

[joe444]

Been here for 19 years dickhead.

And so angry so early in the day.

 

[swanny1234]

Tbh, based on what i've seen so far this year, West Coast have passed not only Richmond and North, but also Port, Essendon and Carlton too.

 

[lalorGOAT]

How about Wayne Campbell changing the rules to eliminate the third man up in 2016 after studying Geelong's use of Mark Blicavs, just in time for Richmond in 2017 to get away with using Shaun Grigg.

Disgraceful. Basically the reason for Richmond's era and everyone in the know admits it.

The reason for our success was because we sometimes used Grigg as a backup ruck?

 

[Footy Smarts]

Tbh, based on what i've seen so far this year, West Coast have passed not only Richmond and North, but also Port, Essendon and Carlton too.

No idea what's happening with Port. A few outs but there's enough quality youngish players (Butters, Rozee, JHF, Georgiades, Bergman, etc) that they shouldn't be near the bottom of the ladder.

Carlton and Essendon are their own worst enemies. And long may it continue!

 

[joe444]

The reason for our success was because we sometimes used Grigg as a backup ruck?

The reason for your failure was because you could no longer jump around on the mark?

Plus ... ah, I can allege a conspiracy based on a Richmond person being Head of Umpiring and a rule change (in this case, which he openly admitted was against a Geelong player) and a change in form, and I can come up will all sorts of BS.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Amen; and yet certain clubs seem to buy into this nonsense every year.

Pick the best players, adjust your game plan to what you have, and convince the playing group you have their interests at heart (not some hypothetical team they won't be part of because this is some 'rebuild').

People fall into the same traps every year. Every single year, people think the draft this year is a wash. Every single year, people think that preseason form means something. Every single year, people think that this is the year someone kicks 100.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Tigers at the very start of another rebuild.
No mess as you would like to think.

7 wins in your last 48 games and you're "at the very start of another rebuild"?

 

[SnakeMan86]

Legit 3 of the best 5 for the game were those u21 too in Reid, Shanahan and Duursma too . They carried us to the win as opposed to your Prestia, Lynch, Taranto like trio .

Its the main difference everyone wants to ignore. We had no chance but to throw these guys to the wolves last year but it's accelerated their development too . Something that Tigers should look to be doing

We'd love too...

Cumming, Smillie, Hotton, to a lesser extent Mcaullif... All injured

 

[swanny1234]

No idea what's happening with Port. A few outs but there's enough quality youngish players (Butters, Rozee, JHF, Georgiades, Bergman, etc) that they shouldn't be near the bottom of the ladder.

Carlton and Essendon are their own worst enemies. And long may it continue!

Agree re Carlton and Essendon - it's glorious.

On Port - I think you're half right, but underneath that top tier i think the rest of their list is pretty poor - their bottom 6 players yesterday were pretty woeful. A couple of injuries to Rozee and Bergman is exposing the lack of depth on that list.

 

[joe444]

The reason for our success was because we sometimes used Grigg as a backup ruck?

Oh I can even do better. I can claim it really had nothing to do with you at all, but what we were prevented from doing.

It's a conspiracy, remember? I can throw around phrases like "Campbell studied what Geelong were doing" and this instance actually have proof. I can tie it to a change in Richmond's fortunes and, in this instance, to a very specific tactic Richmond deployed in 2017 to the point that people remember it nine years later.

And, most importantly, I can do all this and not be so deluded as to think there is any merit in it at all. And that's the difference in relation to an alarming number of Richmond supporters, with zero evidence, making up a conspiracy theory to explain why their era didn't just keep on running forever but instead came to a natural decline.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Whole thread seems to be about how West Coast have the superior young talent, and Richmond's wins are all meaningless.

Got some bloke saying the young talent isn't comparable only a couple of pages back. True Eagles bloke actually rated our young talent higher than the eagles which is interesting. Eagles just have all their top picks playing.

Both clubs have suffered injuries over the last 3 years.

12 months makes a huge difference win footy.

A year ago Richmond had a decent senior core And the biggest crop of talented young players since GWS.

12 months on and senior core aren’t what they were last year, injury bites and there is some questions about Richmond’s draft choices.

Eagles clearly have the edge in talls, and arguably the best talent of the bunch in Harley.

Hotton and Smillie barely playing any footy makes things look pretty shaky. If thy can get right Tiges will be on the right track, if not then it will set them back a few years.

 

[Obeanie1]

Logged in to BF for the first time in years. Opened this thread. Read the last page of posts. Logging back out. What a shit hole this place has become.

Why?

Because several Richmond fans look like fools after getting ahead of themselves and being smart arses over preseason?

Sure, we can understand why you didn't enjoy the read.

You live by the sword.

You die by the sword.

 

[Obeanie1]

Been here for 19 years dickhead.

You just posted you havent been on Big Footy for years.

So 19 less the years you haven't been on here.

You sound like a fair weather Tigers supporter.

 

[lalorGOAT]

Guy got pantsed on the weekend. If he is in the top 5 its worse than I thought

He has one bad game and you are writing him off for an eternity

 

[Corkintheocean]

If there was a redraft right now I’d go ( as some one that also wasn’t really a fan of Smillie liked Hotton/Cumming):

H.Reid
Daylight
Lalor/Duursma

I'm not certain there is daylight between Reid and Duursma. Because of his size and aerobic ability, Duursma's upside for the way the game is trending has him at least on par with Reid. I'd also posit his professionalism and temperament appears to be higher than Reids, which has to factor into longer term prognostications of upside.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'm not certain there is daylight between Reid and Duursma. Because of his size and aerobic ability, Duursma's upside for the way the game is trending has him at least on par with Reid. I'd also posit his professionalism and temperament appears to be higher than Reids, which has to factor into longer term prognostications of upside.

Nah Reid is a stud. He's got the Dusty/Danger swagger that the best players have. Barring injury he's absolutely guaranteed to be a top 20 player in the league for a long time.

Duursma might get to that level but a lot more can go wrong and it's going to be bloody hard for him to be better.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We'd love too...

Cumming, Smillie, Hotton, to a lesser extent Mcaullif... All injured

I dont think we can assume all 4 will be studs because they are injured as much as Tigers fans want too.

 

[joe444]

We'd love too...

Cumming, Smillie, Hotton, to a lesser extent Mcaullif... All injured

Cumming Smillie Hotton sounds like a Japanese pr0n video, not a list of relevant footballers.

 

[quackish]

Cumming Smillie Hotton sounds like a Japanese pr0n video, not a list of relevant footballers.

They’re also not relevant footballers