Hot Topic Michael Voss resigns from Carlton. Best of luck Vossy.

[ctwenty1]

Was anyone else pissed off with the smirk he had when talking about "there's always next week"?

That message was frustrating enough but throw the smirk in on top...Michael, it's not funny or charming. I don't know if that's a coping mechanism but it made me (possibly irrationally) annoyed.

That was well and truly directed at the journo asking the question

And Voss was right - the best circuit breaker is to win a game of football in a manner you want to win it. Which is next week

 

[agro]

Board is better than it's been for a while and did respect the process in retaining Voss after GW's review. The torch should be more on GW tbh.

Yes you are correct respect is the key word here.

 

[Jatz]

That was well and truly directed at the journo asking the question

And Voss was right - the best circuit breaker is to win a game of football in a manner you want to win it. Which is next week

He's in no position to be acting a smart ass with any of the journos at the moment.

Considering he's probably more than a tad fortunate to still be coaching with each passing week.

 

[ctwenty1]

He's in no position to be acting a smart ass with any of the journos at the moment.

Considering he's probably more than a tad fortunate to still be coaching with each passing week.

Depends who the journo is I would have thought.

Dont know who asked the question but plenty of journos like to sink the boot in so dont really see need for anyone at Carlton to respect a question from that is disengenous

 

[Jatz]

Depends who the journo is I would have thought.

Dont know who asked the question but plenty of journos like to sink the boot in so dont really see need for anyone at Carlton to respect a question from that is disengenous

I could be wrong but I thought it was Mitch Cleary. Who I don't really believe has much of an agenda.

Someone like McClure I'd probably agree on you with.

Having said all that, we deserve to have the boot sunk into us. Perhaps it's time they stop being defensive about it and maybe accept the criticism that comes with these performances.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Was anyone else pissed off with the smirk he had when talking about "there's always next week"?

That message was frustrating enough but throw the smirk in on top...Michael, it's not funny or charming. I don't know if that's a coping mechanism but it made me (possibly irrationally) annoyed.

he knows he's done. he's just going with the 'if you don't laugh, you cry' look.

 

[SurreyBlue]

he knows he's done. he's just going with the 'if you don't laugh, you cry' look.

His not done, if he is willing to change his flowering philosophy of defending at all costs when the opposition turn up the heat. Full ground defense isn’t working - so play fire with fire - we have seen us do well (first half of games) when we are allowed to ATTACK! Stop killing the team with your bulldust full ground defence.

If you are to go down - go down Swinging - change it up and give the players a chance to attack.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

His not done, if he is willing to change his flowering philosophy of defending at all costs when the opposition turn up the heat. Full ground defense isn’t working - so play fire with fire - we have seen us do well (first half of games) when we are allowed to ATTACK! Stop killing the team with your bulldust full ground defence.

If you are to go down - go down Swinging - change it up and give the players a chance to attack.

he's done mate.

even if he snags a few decent wins, he's out of contract and it would have to be a huuuuge turnaround to justify re-signing him. finals at a minimum.

even looking at the way we play, individual players are getting ruined. look how bad hayward, florent, ainsworth look in our team. like cerra and others, they have been carltoned already.

 

[bourbons]

His not done, if he is willing to change his flowering philosophy of defending at all costs when the opposition turn up the heat. Full ground defense isn’t working - so play fire with fire - we have seen us do well (first half of games) when we are allowed to ATTACK! Stop killing the team with your bulldust full ground defence.

If you are to go down - go down Swinging - change it up and give the players a chance to attack.

I think it's been pretty obvious to all (including Voss himself) since well before the start of the season that this was his last year (outside of a crazy out of the box season resulting in top 6 or something).

 

[SurreyBlue]

he's done mate.

even if he snags a few decent wins, he's out of contract and it would have to be a huuuuge turnaround to justify re-signing him. finals at a minimum.

even looking at the way we play, individual players are getting ruined. look how bad hayward, florent, ainsworth look in our team. like cerra and others, they have been carltoned already.

No doubt. A very, very good point here as well.

 

[Jimmae]

Dow was sub for most of those games, and didn’t play for 4 weeks after the Gold Coast game that started the run, wouldn’t have suggested at all that he was a massive part of that run. TDK missed 5 games after that Gold Coast game, and played largely forward in the Melbourne semi final.

Jack Martin, Cuningham and Fogarty coming back in completely changed the dynamic of the team. Then we just found confidence and connection, and everything clicked

He was sub twice, and even in one of those games he managed 5 clerarances.

He averaged over 6 clearances a game in a 6 game run, and teams literally couldn't stop him. He was dropped for the finals in favour of Kennedy back from injury, and after already having gone back to Pittonet, TDK, and even trying Fisher in defence, we went back to running ourselves into the ground, culminating in being blown apart by Brisbane in the prelim after quarter time.

It is literally the same blueprint, the whole way through. We have no speed at the centre bounce or enough elite speed with sufficient anaerobic and aerobic fitness on the outside, and we lose games through attrition and the resulting panic.

The worst thing we need now is another big bodied midfielder.

We haven't needed that for 8 years, but we keep managing to land them. Ben Campo, Ison, and Walker will replace Cripps.

I can't address the rest of this just yet, because I first need to know who decided that Ollie Hollands can take kick outs?

I don't see the issue with him replacing Saad's role during kickouts. Nor Chesser, or Acres. The problem is the lack of moving targets.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I think it's been pretty obvious to all (including Voss himself) since well before the start of the season that this was his last year (outside of a crazy out of the box season resulting in top 6 or something).

Probably but I would have expected a change to something that isn't working is the 1st point of call. Throw caution to the wind and DO SOMETHING different. Try something else and see the results, instead he has doubled down on a system that isn't working.

Crazy Voss was the outcry at Brisbane and it's proven to be on the money.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't think Walsh hurts the opposition with his disposal. Maybe his gut running and link ups hurt them but he lacks a killer kick or handball that cuts through the opposition defence. Dare I say it, vanilla. But he's good enough to change this, if he's part of a good game plan.

He just needs good users that can go with him. Plenty of run and carry mids who do damage without being elite by foot, but the key is that they're able to take ground, draw players, and then give off to wings and half backs and half forwards who can then hit targets.

But this is a coaching discussion.

The question then becomes - do we have the cattle to play those roles, and we're not using them properly, or are we trying to play a modern transition game with a list that can't pull it off. If the latter, is that a coaching issue (ie. Voss should be getting us to play to our strengths instead), or is it a necessary evil (ie. we need to play this way even if we're screwing it up, because the gameplan needs to be embedded as well as it can be before we go on another recruiting drive at the end of the year).

I think Voss has made some decent moves this year. Gov back forward is looking more dangerous than most of our other options. Carroll up the ground is giving us at least one decent kicking option on the wing. Smith is getting midfield minutes rather than being hidden at half forward. Hollands (supposedly) has good disposal and has been tried as a half back distributor at times.

Unfortunately there are other decisions that are killing us. Why Fogarty was getting games while Flynn Young was doing everything right in the two's is beyond me. Why O'Keeffe is playing and spending half the game on the bench is a mystery. Why we haven't given Derksen a shot despite slotting in seamlessly off next to no prep in the preseason is concerning.

I think over the next month, Voss is going to need to make some ruthlessly skill-based selection calls. Cowan can barely hit a target and just bombs it as long as he can any chance he gets. O. Hollands swings between being our only player capable of putting the ball to the advantage of a leading forward and a player incapable of getting the ball within 10m of a teammate. Cripps continues to ignore first options and try to run through multiple opponents. Kemp provides 1-2 insanely good highlights and then his brain turns to mush. Hewett looks like he's dropped off dramatically from his previous few years form. They're not alone, but they stand out because their best/worst shapes a lot of our collective issues.

How many of Flynn Young, Talor Byrne, Wade Derksen, Ashton Moir, Jordan Boyd, Jack Ison and Billy Wilson can we fit into the best 23, and do so in a way that gives them opportunities rather than nightmares.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Does anyone still believe Voss is the right man to coach Carlton?

Not fussed if you want to debate whether he should be allowed to coach out 2026, or should've been sacked last year.

I'm just really curious if anyone really thinks he is a competent coach for today's game.

 

[Blue__Balls]

He was sub twice, and even in one of those games he managed 5 clerarances.

He averaged over 6 clearances a game in a 6 game run, and teams literally couldn't stop him. He was dropped for the finals in favour of Kennedy back from injury, and after already having gone back to Pittonet, TDK, and even trying Fisher in defence, we went back to running ourselves into the ground, culminating in being blown apart by Brisbane after quarter time.

It is literally the same blueprint, the whole way through. We have no speed at the centre bounce or enough elite speed with sufficient anaerobic and aerobic fitness on the outside, and we lose games through attrition and the resulting panic.

We haven't needed that for 8 years, but we keep managing to land them. Ben Campo, Ison, and Walker will replace Cripps.

I don't see the issue with him replacing Saad's role during kickouts. Nor Chesser, or Acres. The problem is the lack of moving targets.

This is a very good point. We've suddenly become very very stagnant ahead of the ball again. I think everyone knows where they're are "supposed to be", but not what they're "supposed to do". A bunch of players finding their mark and waiting for the kick to determine what they'll do next.

 

[Jimmae]

This is a very good point. We've suddenly become very very stagnant ahead of the ball again. I think everyone knows where they're are "supposed to be", but not what they're "supposed to do". A bunch of players finding their mark and waiting for the kick to determine what they'll do next.

Yes, also regularly seeing players dawdle along getting back from the mark to take the kick, often with their back to the play.

That tells you they're either tired, or they don't feel confident to kick.

 

[jackn]

We went through a "proper process" last time and ended up with Voss.

I specifically said "Go through a proper process, not like the last one where we only wanted an experienced coach and didn't care if they were shit." Last time was not anything resembling a proper process.

Last time was a for show process where we'd determined we wanted an experienced coach above all else. We didn't care about coaching ability or we wouldn't have chosen the guy who earned the nickname crazy based on his coaching.

If Longmire is chosen after being decided on as the best option, sweet. But nobody on here is wanting him for anything other than him doing ok with the list benefits provided to him. He will be working with a normal list if he comes to us.

Since then we've lost Curnow, Kennedy and Cincotta.

Meanwhile others continually get appearance money.

Voss may not be the list manager but don't give the bs about him not being involved in the process.

Pretty sure he's not involved in the process of selecting a coach, which is the only one I'm talking about. Also, not sure what those 3 have to do with anything.

 

[Opium]

At the end of the day Voss will get paid his 1 million for this season. He knows he won't be coaching next season.

Don't know why we are persistenting with him tbh Shouldve been sacked end of last season. Everyone thought Wright was supposed to bring change, yet here we are.

 

[DollarsandSense]

The Carlton Board is showing the way on the leadership of our club, we must respect the process they have put in place and respect them - all will be well don't worry.

do we even have a board. Haven't seen or heard anything from them. I'm preying that Voss has their full support very soon...

 

[Gokz]

Does anyone still believe Voss is the right man to coach Carlton?

Not fussed if you want to debate whether he should be allowed to coach out 2026, or should've been sacked last year.

I'm just really curious if anyone really thinks he is a competent coach for today's game.

Anyone who does

is delusional

 

[Stamos]

do we even have a board. Haven't seen or heard anything from them.

Really?
Priestly was all over the media with Wright last week.

 

[17in25]

At what point do you own the fact that you've failed?
There is enough evidence that Voss cannot inspire performance or has the ability to coach a successful team.
I get no joy in saying this but we are a laughing stock and the only way forward is to change coach. The sooner the better.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Does anyone still believe Voss is the right man to coach Carlton?

Not fussed if you want to debate whether he should be allowed to coach out 2026, or should've been sacked last year.

I'm just really curious if anyone really thinks he is a competent coach for today's game.

I think the hope was that he could be the motivator, the respected former champ who the players looked up to and would give their absolute all for. And that the coaching group as a collective would be able to draft, train and deliver an effective gameplan.

And to be honest, I'm not sure they've failed, as such. The issues to me still look like a collective wilting of confidence and composure within games. I don't think the players are delivering what the coaches are asking for and losing as a result, they're outright failing to deliver what any coach would be asking of them.

Can still draw a line from that back to the coach(es), but I think the issues run much deeper and can only be solved by major list turnover and/or the playing group deciding that enough is enough, and universally, to a man, executing the basic skills of the game to a high standard for four quarters every week. Not just saying they'll get to work on it - actually ****ing doing it.

If another coach can get that through to them, pull the trigger. I'm skeptical, and so I'm not going to get excited about any coaching appointment until after the on-field evidence shows the rot has stopped.

 

[ctwenty1]

I think the hope was that he could be the motivator, the respected former champ who the players looked up to and would give their absolute all for. And that the coaching group as a collective would be able to draft, train and deliver an effective gameplan.

And to be honest, I'm not sure they've failed, as such. The issues to me still look like a collective wilting of confidence and composure within games. I don't think the players are delivering what the coaches are asking for and losing as a result, they're outright failing to deliver what any coach would be asking of them.

Can still draw a line from that back to the coach(es), but I think the issues run much deeper and can only be solved by major list turnover and/or the playing group deciding that enough is enough, and universally, to a man, executing the basic skills of the game to a high standard for four quarters every week. Not just saying they'll get to work on it - actually ****ing doing it.

If another coach can get that through to them, pull the trigger. I'm skeptical, and so I'm not going to get excited about any coaching appointment until after the on-field evidence shows the rot has stopped.

Maybe we dont have the players to deliver what the coaches are asking for

 

[BluesByNature]

I am seriously gaslit at the moment, no idea whether he is almost there or completely ****ed....

I mean we look ok for a half.....like we were dominating sydney......maybe we are on the precipice