Autopsy Round 8, 2026: Hawks bottle it

[cryptor]

Speaking of Gunners did anyone have a look at that goal that was over ruled by ARC in the 1Q?

I didn't think it was at the time, but looking back at the replay of it several times I am now even more sure it wasn't touched. There's certainly nothing definitive in the footage shown that should have allowed the ARC to overturn the umpire's call. A score review wasn't even requested.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

I didn't think it was at the time, but looking back at the replay of it several times I am now even more sure it wasn't touched. There's certainly nothing definitive in the footage shown that should have allowed the ARC to overturn the umpire's call. A score review wasn't even requested.

It's funny I am the opposite. It looks like a clear deviation once it goes past the hand of Maynard. We really need to put some added tracking to these replays so we can see the deviation.

 

[H00t]

The thing that annoyed me is that we tried nothing to counter their flooding tactics. We just continually bombed it in.

You would think that given they outnumbered us in our own 50, that we would have spares just outside the 50. Switching and probing and lowering the eyes would be gr8

I think even worse than that was we did nothing to counter their ball movement.

They were only ever scoring off the quick slingshot into space once they got past our initial press.

Yet we just kept allowing them to get free out the back time and time again.

Something about the definition of insanity and all that.

 

[H00t]

Collingwood did exactly the same thing in our first meeting last year. Absolutely stupid of us not to expect it. If it's a thing othrr clubs would've picked up on it by now.

I mentioned in the preview I thought we were too tall down back compared to who we were up against

Pies separate our defenders and make our players have to run to defend.

They were able to generate way too much space and our defenders had no answer when their forwards ran into that space. Definitely work to be done.

 

[cryptor]

It's funny I am the opposite. It looks like a clear deviation once it goes past the hand of Maynard. We really need to put some added tracking to these replays so we can see the deviation.

His hand is so close to his boot it's impossible to tell what the initial trajectory of the ball was to say it deviated. The kick itself was just throwing a boot at it too so a chaotic spin is to be expected.

Anyway I've said it so many times before, they should just change the rule to be a goal if it's kicked by the scoring team and goes through regardless if it touches an opponent or snicks the post on the way through. It would eliminate 99% of these ridiculously contentious score reviews. And it would stop robbing us of amazing goals like the one Gunston kicked against Geelong that was overruled for somehow hitting the back of the post after crossing the goal line.

 

[Atch]

Recon come finals we’ll be playing with

1 less Ruck
1 less Key forward, and;
1 less Key back

So from last night side be something like:

Out: Dear, Meek & Scrim
In: Day, Chol, Butler,

Also recon will be a toss up between Finn & Flynn for the last spot.

Recon the Ins make us a far quicker, slicker & better balanced Team.

Na keep the two rucks once we get the team balance right we'll dominate.

 

[Argy]

It's funny I am the opposite. It looks like a clear deviation once it goes past the hand of Maynard. We really need to put some added tracking to these replays so we can see the deviation.

To be honest, I don't think ball tracking technology is going to help most of the contentious calls; touched, marked over the line, etc. It certainly would help for determining which side of the post the ball travelled and whether it went out of bounds, but other than that I can't see it helping much.

It would be much simpler and more reliable to ditch the "touched" and "hit the post" rules and make it similar to soccer - if it goes through the goals, it's a goal, no matter how it gets there.

But would the fans like it?

 

[paddington]

I just watched FirstUse (Jeff White

Jeff White

Age

49

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

6.3

4star

HO

18.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

1.6

2star

HO

3.0

5star

) who covered Collingwood's structure against us. and how they forced us to long bomb, reducing our % of success.
Glass half full - we didn't lose, and have the lesson to practice how to break this strategy now, only makes us better and we already have some weapons that did work against this (pacy runners, accurate short kicks) and Sam can develop some more.

(FirstUse also covered Hawthorn defence strategy successes against GC in a video last week)

 

[Harper_Hawk]

Played an extra game

Collingwood just handed the all the blueprint for winning against the hawks

On the flip side it’s better to be shown your weakness now to improve than later with little time left before finals.
A weakness can also be made into a strength.

 

[Buzz Hawk]

Sam did mention in his presser that Collingwood caught us by surprise with their mega backline flood and we would be better prepared for that next time.
IMO we should have known that was going to be their plan. It’s their only plan, against us, it was on steroids.

 

[RCAB]

Played an extra game

Collingwood just handed the all the blueprint for winning against the hawks

Having record accuracy in front of goal and still drawing the game is the blueprint for winning?

We should probably hand out those flyers ourselves.

 

[RCAB]

The thing that annoyed me is that we tried nothing to counter their flooding tactics. We just continually bombed it in.

You would think that given they outnumbered us in our own 50, that we would have spares just outside the 50. Switching and probing and lowering the eyes would be gr8

I'm sure Sam will go to work on that.

 

[ReturningHawk]

I don’t see how this is true at all last year when they all played we were a top 3 defence and was our CLEAR strongest part of the ground. And we are a top 3 defence again this year.

Last year football had different rules. Last year Ned Reeves was a VFL ruckman. Last year the 4 tall defenders yielded different results.

I don’t know where you saw us being a top 3 defence, but we certainly aren’t top 3 for average points against.

 

[ReturningHawk]

The thing that annoyed me is that we tried nothing to counter their flooding tactics. We just continually bombed it in.

You would think that given they outnumbered us in our own 50, that we would have spares just outside the 50. Switching and probing and lowering the eyes would be gr8

That’s what annoyed me too. We seemed too stubborn to change tactics. There are any number of ways we could’ve made radical changes to the look of the forward line - clearing out the fifty, or forwards staying super deep - but we just kept on flogging a dead horse kicking to the throng of players when none of our players were taking contested marks or converting their shots.

 

[eldorado]

Played an extra game

Collingwood just handed the all the blueprint for winning against the hawks

That easy, huh?

Oh well, let's look forward to the rebuild in 2027, I guess...

 

[kenneje]

Was our pressure way down last night on usual?

 

[spudmaster]

Was our pressure way down last night on usual?

Tackle numbers, particularly from the forwards, say yes, but reckon it was a result of them flooding our forward line and marking damn-near everything that we sent in also (resulting in less loose ground ball gets to be able to tackle etc etc)

 

[cuttlefish]

If we're looking for positives, there's a hell of a clip to be made from that dancing physio.

I actually feel a bit bad now. The poor bloke hurt himself fairly seriously

 

[Flukey!]

On a positive note, we are unbeaten in our last 7 matches
2018 i think is the last time that happened.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I really think that come the end of the season we will look back and say thank **** for those 2pts. Whether thats to bump us into top 2 or top 4 remains to be seen but i really think it will matter one way or another. So im pretty happy that we pinched them. Regarding the deficiencies in the game plan, we are (were) still in April and have plenty of time to fine tune it. You genuinely don't want to be the finished product at this point in the season anyway. History is littered with teams that came out hot early and faded by the time finals arrived. I expect a few dips and adjustments in form as the season plays out. If we can continue banking points along the journey its all good.

The lads could have just thrown in the towel last night and said it just wasnt their night with all the easy misses and Collingwood kicking so many goals without hardly missing but credit to them they stuck it out and those 2 points will be super handy.

It's such a long season, every team will have ebbs and flows. The good teams salvage wins / draws when they are not at the peak which is what we did.

 

[chippie]

Raise you Mark Howard. How the bloke has made a living out of talking beggars belief.

Howie is a big Hawks fan though. Will give him that

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The lads could have just thrown in the towel last night and said it just wasnt their night with all the easy misses and Collingwood kicking so many goals without hardly missing but credit to them they stuck it out and those 2 points will be super handy.

It's such a long season, every team will have ebbs and flows. The good teams salvage wins / draws when they are not at the peak which is what we did.

7 points down with 45 seconds to go - I had conceded defeat at that point.

Pulling that out of the fire was pretty awesome. And the fact we did the same thing a few weeks ago against Geelong is a great sign

 

[The Gulden Child]

With Hardwick, Battle, Sic, Scrim and Perez we have enough good kicks to set up our attack from the backline, surely the most obvious move is Amon to the wing and Weddle to half back. Then let him get it and break the lines.

Play Hardwick forward. Weddle back and leave him there a bit. Hardwick is a great shot on goal.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

I'm not sure about that:

View attachment 2598715

There were a lot of bad calls both ways last night, but the one that hasn't been raised at all is the "one handed handball" that Lachie Schultz (I think) got away with on the wing in the last quarter. Just threw it one handed about 10 metres, ended up with a Jamie Elliott goal.

A lot of positives though out of the game. We learn and move on to Freo.

Hopefully we are getting the inaccurate goal kicking out of our system before the backend of the season.

Not when your jumping, when you crossover walking or running across. The next bit of that rule states they want to bring "jumping rucks back into the game" your not doing that if your penalising a ruckman for mistiming he's leap.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Play Hardwick forward. Weddle back and leave him there a bit. Hardwick is a great shot on goal.

We got torched enough on ground balls in D50. Taking Hardwick out and Weddle in would be grim watching