Rumour Speculation, Rumours, Lies Thread 2026 - Part 2

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Again, its just good luck.

Yes Brisbane are benefitting but it doesnt guarentee success. Look at the squads of talent that the Giants and Suns have assembled over the last decade and a half, all its resulted in is 1 extremely embarrassing GF appearance. Sydney have been better but even so, theyve been embarrassed in their last 2 GF appearances too.

Good luck resulted out of a broken system

 

[GreyCrow]

Admittedly, less so considering Borlase never played AFL, but it still stinks. I think if your parents have played at state league level in any state you shouldn't qualify for a next gen pathway.

Interesting discussion point

I do think we should acknowledge those who built the game. And yes every one from the past does build the game

I take your point that a players child has better opportunity to learn and play the game under the parents supervision and support - so yes they bring a different level of knowledge

But I also don't think they should be excluded either. Clubs should be encouraged to find a pathway for such players - I know the Crows have their own week for sons of.

I'm not sure exactly what pathway that is but I do know one high ranking draft prospect was miffed at not getting an invite to spend a week in Adelaide when all these sons of - most who won't make it - were invited

tl;dr : there needs to be many paths to play AFL

 

[Cromulant]

Interesting discussion point

I do think we should acknowledge those who built the game. And yes every one from the past does build the game

I take your point that a players child has better opportunity to learn and play the game under the parents supervision and support - so yes they bring a different level of knowledge

But I also don't think they should be excluded either. Clubs should be encouraged to find a pathway for such players - I know the Crows have their own week for sons of.

I'm not sure exactly what pathway that is but I do know one high ranking draft prospect was miffed at not getting an invite to spend a week in Adelaide when all these sons of - most who won't make it - were invited

tl;dr : there needs to be many paths to play AFL

Was he a son of as well ??

 

[Mutineer]

Interesting discussion point

I do think we should acknowledge those who built the game. And yes every one from the past does build the game

I take your point that a players child has better opportunity to learn and play the game under the parents supervision and support - so yes they bring a different level of knowledge

But I also don't think they should be excluded either. Clubs should be encouraged to find a pathway for such players - I know the Crows have their own week for sons of.

I'm not sure exactly what pathway that is but I do know one high ranking draft prospect was miffed at not getting an invite to spend a week in Adelaide when all these sons of - most who won't make it - were invited

tl;dr : there needs to be many paths to play AFL

I think I know the player you're referring to going by your posting history, is he in Adelaide's or Port's SANFL zone?

 

[CromradeCromulent]

Alright Grandpa that's great, time for bed.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

The Agenda Setters floating the idea of trading Curtin for Bailey if they match. How does Mitch Cleary have a job?

“tell ‘em” they’re dreamin

 

[betterthanu]

Bris forcing a trade for Bailey makes no sense. He wants to stay in Bris and is only having his head turned by a lot of extra cash. If bris match, he just says thankyou and stays at bris on a massive contract. What am i missing?

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Blakey could have been at North if he wanted to be.

Its probably easier for kids like he and Hodge to go to a different club and not be weighed down by the burden of the name.

They can do this by not nominating for father-son. They don't need to be unnecessarily tied to another club to achieve this.

 

[Archie87]

I'd trade for Wilson at the right price but if we got him, Nicks would just turn Wilson into a dull shape keeper who has to guard blades of grass just like he's done to Cumming who used to average 20+ disposals a game at GWS but barely gets 15 here...

 

[Sizzlepack]

Bris forcing a trade for Bailey makes no sense. He wants to stay in Bris and is only having his head turned by a lot of extra cash. If bris match, he just says thankyou and stays at bris on a massive contract. What am i missing?

Nothing, it doesn't make sense. Brisbane can't match. They have a contract offer in front of him already, and instead of increasing the offer (which they can't, either because they don't have the cap room, or because of their supposedly flat cap structure, or both), they're using the media to try and persuade him to stay. It could very well work. But Brisbane matching our offer and forcing a trade is by far the least likely of three outcomes.

 

[TBM]

I'd trade for Wilson at the right price but if we got him, Nicks would just turn Wilson into a dull shape keeper who has to guard blades of grass just like he's done to Cumming who used to average 20+ disposals a game at GWS but barely gets 15 here...

Cumming was a HB at GWS when averaging that, but yes I agree with the sentiment.

Our gameplan hasn't allowed us to have consistently damaging wingers since Seedsman and Brodie, though Cook is emerging as one.

 

[GreyCrow]

Was he a son of as well ??

No. The point was that some of them wont make it and the experience ( and inclusion ) would make the player feel more comfortable come draft day

I think I know the player you're referring to going by your posting history, is he in Adelaide's or Port's SANFL zone?

Murray Bridge is in Wests Sanfl zone - but he plays for Sturt so maybe Sturts prior

He is in Adelaides academy zone

 

[FR0GGY]

Nothing, it doesn't make sense. Brisbane can't match. They have a contract offer in front of him already, and instead of increasing the offer (which they can't, either because they don't have the cap room, or because of their supposedly flat cap structure, or both), they're using the media to try and persuade him to stay. It could very well work. But Brisbane matching our offer and forcing a trade is by far the least likely of three outcomes.

Not sure itll work?
Surely the manager knows Bailey gets his money by going to us or Brisbane matching.
Not by signing this contract now.

 

[TBM]

OK so from the reports (thanks everyone) Darcy Wilson seems to have strengths in run and carry, speed etc... and struggles a little with kicking skills.

Which makes me wonder. Are our coaching and recruiting team aligned?

We have a stop, slow it down game style. We favour short kicking in the back half and then long to a contest in the forward half. We do not run and carry the ball. We do not give handballs. We don't looks for handball receives.

All of which looks to me like Wilson would be the exact wrong player for our game plan.

Maybe our recruiting team are planning for post Nicks?

I would say coaching and recruiting / list management have been a bit out of sync for a while.

For example, Nicks playing guys like Murphy, McHenry, Schoenberg right up to the end of the season when they get delisted immediately after. An aligned group would say "these guys won't be on the list next year, give opportunities to guys who will be".

Equally, us trading up to draft Curtin as a utility then proceeding to play him at Full-Back, or Edwards as a Half-Back when he was drafted as a pure Midfielder, etc.

 

[cleanhands]

OK so from the reports (thanks everyone) Darcy Wilson seems to have strengths in run and carry, speed etc... and struggles a little with kicking skills.

Which makes me wonder. Are our coaching and recruiting team aligned?

We have a stop, slow it down game style. We favour short kicking in the back half and then long to a contest in the forward half. We do not run and carry the ball. We do not give handballs. We don't looks for handball receives.

All of which looks to me like Wilson would be the exact wrong player for our game plan.

Maybe our recruiting team are planning for post Nicks?

That’s sounds like the worst game plan anyone could come up with…….oh yeh

 

[Mutineer]

Give this drongo a mouthfull

 

[Adecagodelphalaide]

Bris forcing a trade for Bailey makes no sense. He wants to stay in Bris and is only having his head turned by a lot of extra cash. If bris match, he just says thankyou and stays at bris on a massive contract. What am i missing?

Could it be something where Brisbane flat out tell him 'look we're not paying you that much, so get on your way, but we will still match so we get something back' and the player goes along with it because they want to help their old club on the way out and don't want to leave on bad terms?

 

[Apsaalooke]

The Agenda Setters floating the idea of trading Curtin for Bailey if they match. How does Mitch Cleary have a job?

If true (it's not) we'd have more luck negotiating with Iran

 

[Soggy2112]

Interesting discussion point

I do think we should acknowledge those who built the game. And yes every one from the past does build the game

I take your point that a players child has better opportunity to learn and play the game under the parents supervision and support - so yes they bring a different level of knowledge

But I also don't think they should be excluded either. Clubs should be encouraged to find a pathway for such players - I know the Crows have their own week for sons of.

I'm not sure exactly what pathway that is but I do know one high ranking draft prospect was miffed at not getting an invite to spend a week in Adelaide when all these sons of - most who won't make it - were invited

tl;dr : there needs to be many paths to play AFL

It’s not the access to the academy/resources that is the issue. It is the draft rights that the club then gets that is the issue.

Clubs are given concessions for various academies essentially as a reward for investment. It’s the league saying, you brought this player to the game, who otherwise might not have the chance to, so we’ll allow you to keep them to incentivise this in the future. At least that is the intent and the justification the AFL sells us.

A son of a 350+ game player does not fit that. Sure, they might have put some time in to them, but that player would have access to all the resources in the world regardless. The club has not done anything to grow the game.

Clubs now set up programs for their father sons because they want to make sure that if a Daicos/Darcy/Ashcroft comes from their ranks they can cash in. The legitimacy of the F/S system is a separate discussion to academy systems.

 

[Mutineer]

Alright Grandpa that's great, time for bed.View attachment 2603928

So Bickley is going down the Kornes clickbait/controversy route...bad move Mark credibility wise.

 

[1990crow]

You really think Nicks game plan is based on the players we have?
I would argue that his game plan does not suit our squad at all and that it is holding us back massively.

I don't know. It could be both at the same time.

I.e. players we do have he doesn't rate, and therefore thinks a negative game plan is required to minimise damage.
Or he does rate them, but still thinks a negative game plan is the way to go.

Without being inside Nicks head it's really hard to know. The outcome is the same = shit game plan.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I would say coaching and recruiting / list management have been a bit out of sync for a while.

For example, Nicks playing guys like Murphy, McHenry, Schoenberg right up to the end of the season when they get delisted immediately after. An aligned group would say "these guys won't be on the list next year, give opportunities to guys who will be".

Equally, us trading up to draft Curtin as a utility then proceeding to play him at Full-Back, or Edwards as a Half-Back when he was drafted as a pure Midfielder, etc.

No. Hamish said at the time Curtin was drafted that he would start in defence, also Murray had just done his knee.

 

[Grooster24]

Give this drongo a mouthfull

I know Bailey is proven and Curtin still going on talent/promise.... But I'm going Curtin > Bailey

 

[Peter Doherty]

No. Hamish said at the time Curtin was drafted that he would start in defence, also Murray had just done his knee.

Also, Doedee did his knee half way through '23.

 

[sr36]

but would you give up pick 10 for him bicks (assuming thats where we land)?

He's going to ahve a heaps better career than the average pick 10. He'd cost you more than that.