08 make or break

[shawthing09]

For the careers of

Iles,Cook,Stanley
3rd year on the list for all three, all showing glimpses at AFL level and being pretty good at VFL level, they don't have to become regulars in the 22 but at least show when the step up into the 22 they are AFL ready.
So instead of "promising game from a kid" would like to see some solid games at the level.

Egan
Coming off a knee injury so second half of the year more so, needs to come home in the best 22 and playing real good footy in the 1's, if he ends the year poorly or in the magoo's i think his time is up

Lonie,R Shaw,Holland

Edit:I think a max of two have a future on the list and realistically all could be gone be the end of next year.: This comment was in reference to the older three in Holland,Rhyce,Lonie

If two made it one would be starting 22 and 1 depth player IMO

 

[pipeline]

For the careers of

Iles,Cook,Stanley
3rd year on the list for all three, all showing glimpses at AFL level and being pretty good at VFL level, they don't have to become regulars in the 22 but at least show when the step up into the 22 they are AFL ready.
So instead of "promising game from a kid" would like to see some solid games at the level.

Egan
Coming off a knee injury so second half of the year more so, needs to come home in the best 22 and playing real good footy in the 1's, if he ends the year poorly or in the magoo's i think his time is up

Lonie,R Shaw,Holland

I think a max of two have a future on the list and realistically all could be gone be the end of next year.

If two made it one would be starting 22 and 1 depth player IMO

I thought these 2 atleast did look AFL ready. They're trying to break in to a bloody good side at the moment and there's just not room for everyone who deserves a go.

 

[TwisTz]

I watched the Pies vs Saints game recently and Iles had a few good moments.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It is, and it isn't. There are also the likes of Burns, Wakelin, Prestigiacomo who are in the twilight of their careers, and Toovey whom I suspect will still be on the list next year. Plus Bryan who will be at the end of his contract...

There are plenty of candidates ahead of Iles, Cook and Stanley in the list for... delisting.

Having said that, if we're to take the next step, these guys do need to start stepping up.

 

[shawthing09]

It is, and it isn't. There are also the likes of Burns, Wakelin, Prestigiacomo who are in the twilight of their careers, and Toovey whom I suspect will still be on the list next year. Plus Bryan who will be at the end of his contract...

There are plenty of candidates ahead of Iles, Cook and Stanley in the list for... delisting.

Having said that, if we're to take the next step, these guys do need to start stepping up.

I agree that they won't all be delisted for underprforming next year, but they do run the risk of falling behind any addition we make to their respective positions this year in the draft and over the nxt preseason.

And finding themselves in the Ben Davies "you've had your time" basket.

 

[Invigoration]

There are plenty of candidates ahead of Iles, Cook and Stanley in the list for... delisting.

Such as?

All three need big years next year if they wish to retain their spots. I can almost say with full confidence at least one of them will go, and IMO that will be Iles, but who knows.

It is definitely make or break for them though, none of them were EXTREMELY high picks and none of them deserve to be nurtured through with all hopes banking on their potential etc, in the same way that say Egan does.

After dismissing Stanley early, I personally think he will be the only one who ends up making it through. But its to early to call with any definition, that is simply off what I know so far.

(Btw this is only out of the three listed in my post, not including Egan and who ever else was listed in the first post)

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I just listed five of them, please read the freakin' post.

 

[pipeline]

Such as?

All three need big years next year if they wish to retain their spots. I can almost say with full confidence at least one of them will go, and IMO that will be Iles, but who knows.

It is definitely make or break for them though, none of them were EXTREMELY high picks and none of them deserve to be nurtured through with all hopes banking on their potential etc, in the same way that say Egan does.

After dismissing Stanley early, I personally think he will be the only one who ends up making it through. But its to early to call with any definition, that is simply off what I know so far.

(Btw this is only out of the three listed in my post, not including Egan and who ever else was listed in the first post)

Cook at least has signed for 2 years. Not sure about the other 2.

 

[Invigoration]

I just listed five of them, please read the freakin' post.

Apart from Toovey none of the rest of the guys you listed are ahead of those three for DELISTING.

Please be freakin' logical, there is a difference between delisting and retirement

None of the older guys are in any danger of being danger before Iles, Stanley or Cook.

Don't believe me? Okay say we need to delist a further five guys from the list this year? Who would they be?
It would come from this group of guys

Toovey
Lonie
Holland
Iles
Stanley
Cook

Done. No Presti, no Burns, no Wakes and no Bryan because else were left with only 2 ruckmen.


So apart from Toovey, only a slim few would be ahead of this guys in terms of 'delisting'.

 

[Hells K1tch3n]

Apart from Toovey none of the rest of the guys you listed are ahead of those three for DELISTING.

Please be freakin' logical, there is a difference between delisting and retirement

None of the older guys are in any danger of being danger before Iles, Stanley or Cook.

Don't believe me? Okay say we need to delist a further five guys from the list this year? Who would they be?
It would come from this group of guys

Toovey
Lonie
Holland
Iles
Stanley
Cook

Done. No Presti, no Burns, no Wakes and no Bryan because else were left with only 2 ruckmen.


So apart from Toovey, only a slim few would be ahead of this guys in terms of 'delisting'.

Why do we need to delist 3 more?

we have made 5 spots on the list so far, with 3 retirements, 1 trade and 1 player who has been told his contract wont be renewed for next season.

Of those 5 spots, we can safely assume that clarke will be senior listed, and we are taking jaxson in the draft, That still leaves 3 choices at 31, 47, 63. or pass on one and have a psd pick, or elevate wellingham.

And just to note, i agree with TRS, retirement is a delisting, they are players being removed from the senior list.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Apart from Toovey none of the rest of the guys you listed are ahead of those three for DELISTING.

Please be freakin' logical, there is a difference between delisting and retirement

None of the older guys are in any danger of being danger before Iles, Stanley or Cook.

Don't believe me? Okay say we need to delist a further five guys from the list this year? Who would they be?
It would come from this group of guys

Toovey
Lonie
Holland
Iles
Stanley
Cook

Done. No Presti, no Burns, no Wakes and no Bryan because else were left with only 2 ruckmen.


So apart from Toovey, only a slim few would be ahead of this guys in terms of 'delisting'.

Clearly, we're talking about next year, not this year. "'08" in the title, right?

So whether you think "delisting" and "retiring" are synonymous or not, the fact remains that at the end of the 2008 season, Scott Burns and Shane Wakelin will be unlikely to play on, Presti would be a big question mark, and Alan Toovey and Bryan will have an excellent chance of still being ordinary at best.

That's going to free up potentially 5 spots on the list, and I would add to that Lonie and Holland whom I would offload before any of Cook, Iles or Stanley. So unless you want to turn over 1/4 of the list in one year, I reckon they're looking pretty safe.

 

[Dundalis]

Why do we need to delist 3 more?

we have made 5 spots on the list so far, with 3 retirements, 1 trade and 1 player who has been told his contract wont be renewed for next season.

Of those 5 spots, we can safely assume that clarke will be senior listed, and we are taking jaxson in the draft, That still leaves 3 choices at 31, 47, 63. or pass on one and have a psd pick, or elevate wellingham.

And just to note, i agree with TRS, retirement is a delisting, they are players being removed from the senior list.

You forgot Wood. We will likely delist at least one more player, if not two.

Clearly, we're talking about next year, not this year. "'08" in the title, right?

So whether you think "delisting" and "retiring" are synonymous or not, the fact remains that at the end of the 2008 season, Scott Burns and Shane Wakelin will be unlikely to play on, Presti would be a big question mark, and Alan Toovey and Bryan will have an excellent chance of still being ordinary at best.

That's going to free up potentially 5 spots on the list, and I would add to that Lonie and Holland whom I would offload before any of Cook, Iles or Stanley. So unless you want to turn over 1/4 of the list in one year, I reckon they're looking pretty safe.

I think those 5 spots you talk about will quickly be replaced with players we draft this year and next. From the rookie list, I think Wellingham and Dyas would be odds on to be promoted. We could find other gems that we rookie list also, as well as Goldsack types whom come on really well and easily over take these guys in the pecking order. I think we will be really quick to get rid of the rubbish, and turnover the list to always have fresh talent coming through.

 

[smiddaz123]

To be honest, I'd be more worried if I were Cook or Iles than Stanley.

We have a lot of the Iles/Cook type players. It would be hard for an outside midfielder to firmly cement his place in our best 22.

Stanley can play an in and under role. And due to the pies lack of depth in that area, 2008 could very well be a big year for him.

Incidently, I'm a very big fan of Iles. I believe he'll play 100 odd games for the pies in future.

I can't see Cook sticking around for more than next year personally. With the amount of talent we have in the outside mid/HBF role, it will be extremely difficult for him.

 

[recon]

Iles and Cook should be kept before Lonie and Toovey.

 

[Myzer]

lonie has to show something special to stay on this year.

i like iles and the game against the saints last year was great. needs to be more consistent.

cook looks good too but i think he may be too one dimension. he has great endurance (i think possible the best at the club) but not sure he could ever make it into our mid.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Iles and Cook should be kept before Lonie and Toovey.

Bingo.

 

[daicos21]

For the careers of

Iles,Cook,Stanley
3rd year on the list for all three, all showing glimpses at AFL level and being pretty good at VFL level, they don't have to become regulars in the 22 but at least show when the step up into the 22 they are AFL ready.
So instead of "promising game from a kid" would like to see some solid games at the level.

Egan
Coming off a knee injury so second half of the year more so, needs to come home in the best 22 and playing real good footy in the 1's, if he ends the year poorly or in the magoo's i think his time is up

Lonie,R Shaw,Holland

I think a max of two have a future on the list and realistically all could be gone be the end of next year.

If two made it one would be starting 22 and 1 depth player IMO

Agreed on Cook,Stanley and Egan- i think Iles should be delisted.
Lonie,R Shaw and Holland r more than good enough to be back up players.

 

[smiddaz123]

i think Iles should be delisted. players.

Why? What's he done wrong?

 

[doppleganger]

Cox would also want to have a good year

 

[daicos21]

Why? What's he done wrong?

Nothing wrong but also doesn't seem to be strong at anything in particular

 

[Paddywhackers]

Could Cox possibly play midfield nexy year?

 

[MarkT]

You would expect Wakelin and probably Burns to retire. If nothing else a minimum of one of the players mentioned in above pots will be delisted. In all likelihood 3 will go. My money is on Toover and Iles not being on the list in 2009 if they are on it in 2008. Stanley, Cook, Cox and Egan will be on the list in 2008 but 2009 is shaky dependant on 2008 performances. I expect Bryan to be delisted at the end of 2008. I hope the club thinks the same and recruits accordingly. If he happens to have a good 2008 then great but my money is on about what we got this year being his level. Hopefully a couple of these guys make it and become good players but I have my doubts.

These are the players we should move on before we get to the likes of R. Shaw, Lonie and Holland. The latter at least offer solid depth and all could force their way into the 22 regularly next year and beyond.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

^ Agree on that besides your comments on Iles. He's taken the next step, IMHO, and is now a class above VFL. In the Buckley's comeback game, Iles and Reid were on a par for second-best on ground from where I stood. I don't think he'll be a superstar, but could easily be our next Dane Swan.

 

[MarkT]

^ Agree on that besides your comments on Iles. He's taken the next step, IMHO, and is now a class above VFL. In the Buckley's comeback game, Iles and Reid were on a par for second-best on ground from where I stood. I don't think he'll be a superstar, but could easily be our next Dane Swan.

Dane is a bloody good player and very important to us. If Iles is that good I will be very happy. Iles isn’t yet a cut above VFL IMO but even if he is so are Andrew Williams and a cast of other failed AFL players. The question, and the judgement Hine and co have to make, is will he get to good AFL level. If he will only get to bottom end AFL level then cut him now. These are the judgements that make for great list management. Get them right most of the time and you don’t end up down the ladder and culling 10 players. You end up having to trade a Rusling to give a Reid his opportunity and using the Rusling player on the mid you need to complete your midfield or the early pick you haven’t “won” for year.

As far as Iles is concerned I just can’t see what he has that will make him stand out. That’s not to say he can’t make it but I just can’t see any weapons.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Fair enough, but what would you say are Swan's weapons?