1-3 year player observations

[SkyhorseTamer]

Cyril style, 9 possessions BOG?

Wouldn't that be something

 

[mediumsizered]

Wouldn't that be something

Delicious, maybe?

 

[Soapy V]

Cuningham I'm hopeful on but is too soft at the moment. Very ealry days I know.

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Soft???

That has to be one of the most inaccurate comments I've heard on one of our players. One thing he isn't is soft

 

[Smegger]

Cyril style, 9 possessions BOG?

The way i see it, Pickett becoming Cyrilesque and Cuningham becoming Campoesque.

 

[1981]

Our strategy has been to go tall early in the rebuild and build the midfield last. We won't know what star quality our talls have for a few years yet.

Our mids/smalls are more potential than star quality because that's exactly what you'd expect for where they were taken. Cuningham, Fisher etc. are our second tier midfield hope, SPS is the first step toward the star power.

Fully expect us to load up on top end ready made mids over the next years via draft and trade. It's a solid strategy and we're not going to see much this year to show that it's not working.

Well said. This is the reason our midfield, especially in terms of youth, is hardly blowing us away right now. I touched on this over the weekend. Cuningham was viewed as tier 2 midfield, and ditto Fisher. SPS is the only cream since Cripps.

It'll take a while as right now there's few young mids really popping out of the box.

 

[gbatman]

Spot on with the whole talls coming first midfielders later. Might actually keep us down the ladder and in the early picks while we add talent without that talent dragging us up the ladder too soon. Continuing to find players to trade to bring in extra early picks will be the difficult part. Talls will develop late as they do and hopefully the midfielders come along earlier and they all hit around the same time.

Cripps, Petrevski-Seton and Curnow (kind of) are probably really the only genuine cream young midfielders we have at the moment. There might be some good players in the rest but at this stage they may be just second stringers which is fine. As long as they are good enough. Murphy and Gibbs will add a fair bit of quality and help with development but we really need to get our hands on 4 or 5 really top line young midfielders in the next 4 years or so.

Like the look of our defence. Marchbank is a ripper. Macreadie showed a heap in last week's JLT. Plowman looks pretty solid. Weitering will be very good at either end. Docherty and Byrne are very good. Probably going to be a spot for another small/medium attacking defender or two down the track. Forward line is very raw and suffers from a lack of quality delivery and lack of footy. McKay, Silvagni, Lebois, Pickett and Curnow all show a bit of talent. Our key will be having some luck with father son selections and getting some genuine talent coming in in the later rounds. I'm backing that we'll have early picks and nail them.

 

[8Special K]

We say we don't have any "cream" except for cripps curnow and SPS but we don't know what polson, cuningham and fisher could become. Luke Parker was pick 40 odd and Richard Tambling was pick 3. Apart from cripps and maybe Charlie they're all in the same bracket at the moment.

 

[BluStreak]

most likely get my head bitten off but to date C Curnow is like a box of chocolates. Had quality moments but that's all so far.
He is just potential at the moment, just like our other 'green shots'. and he will remain so until he strings those quality moments into a full quality game like Cripps does.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Fair.

Cripps established himself in his 2nd year with some monster performances.

 

[1981]

most likely get my head bitten off but to date C Curnow is like a box of chocolates. Had quality moments but that's all so far.
He is just potential at the moment, just like our other 'green shots'. and he will remain so until he strings those quality moments into a full quality game like Cripps does.

He has shown more than the likes of Cuningham, which is not to belittle Cuningham etc. Charlie racked up touches it JLT playing onball. The other thing is blind Freddy can see he has multiple tricks to his bow. He's a unique talent.

 

[1981]

We say we don't have any "cream" except for cripps curnow and SPS but we don't know what polson, cuningham and fisher could become. Luke Parker was pick 40 odd and Richard Tambling was pick 3. Apart from cripps and maybe Charlie they're all in the same bracket at the moment.

I think we assume SPS will show real serious signs sooner than those second tier picks, by all accounts that's been the case at training

 

[LordLucifer]

Outside of Weitering & Cripps, all of our 1-3 year players are highly speculative. There are some very positive signs from a lot of them but we just won't know if they are going to be genuine senior players or not till they've gone into their third year.

A couple of pre-seasons plus some intense work in the gym coupled with strong skills work will only be really noticeable & beneficial to them after a couple of years.

We have to accept that not all of them will graduate too, there is always at least a one-third failure rate.

 

[1981]

Spot on with the whole talls coming first midfielders later. Might actually keep us down the ladder and in the early picks while we add talent without that talent dragging us up the ladder too soon. Continuing to find players to trade to bring in extra early picks will be the difficult part. Talls will develop late as they do and hopefully the midfielders come along earlier and they all hit around the same time.

Cripps, Petrevski-Seton and Curnow (kind of) are probably really the only genuine cream young midfielders we have at the moment. There might be some good players in the rest but at this stage they may be just second stringers which is fine. As long as they are good enough. Murphy and Gibbs will add a fair bit of quality and help with development but we really need to get our hands on 4 or 5 really top line young midfielders in the next 4 years or so.

Like the look of our defence. Marchbank is a ripper. Macreadie showed a heap in last week's JLT. Plowman looks pretty solid. Weitering will be very good at either end. Docherty and Byrne are very good. Probably going to be a spot for another small/medium attacking defender or two down the track. Forward line is very raw and suffers from a lack of quality delivery and lack of footy. McKay, Silvagni, Lebois, Pickett and Curnow all show a bit of talent. Our key will be having some luck with father son selections and getting some genuine talent coming in in the later rounds. I'm backing that we'll have early picks and nail them.

I'm sure the club plan to have a quality midfield before MM and BG hang them up. Add a very early pick this year (say pick 2) and maybe a FA of note this year and again next year. And maybe trade for another first pick this year so we don't have to use a first rounder on Ben next year, so we trade our future first for a first this year, say pick 8 (pick 4 for 8). Other picks added to make it work

So we get...

Pick 2 - Mid
Pick 8 - Mid
FA - Mid
FA - Mid

Add to...

Murphy
Gibbs
Cripps
SPS
C. Curnow

+

Cuningham
Polson
Fisher

 

[LordLucifer]

So we get...

Pick 2 - James Worpel
Pick 8 - Mid

 

[Jimmae]

most likely get my head bitten off but to date C Curnow is like a box of chocolates. Had quality moments but that's all so far.
He is just potential at the moment, just like our other 'green shots'. and he will remain so until he strings those quality moments into a full quality game like Cripps does.

I think that's reflected in the set backs he had last year, combined with the chop and change this pre-season.

I think he's going to monster his opponent with his run from HF. Hopefully he can add some scoring power too.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I think that's reflected in the set backs he had last year, combined with the chop and change this pre-season.

I think he's going to monster his opponent with his run from HF. Hopefully he can add some scoring power too.

Got the goods.

Still a kid, tries to light it up every time he gets it.

Might have to put him in the blinkers for a week, just to keep his head.

Wait 'til he starts plucking his marks.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

He has shown more than the likes of Cuningham, which is not to belittle Cuningham etc. Charlie racked up touches it JLT playing onball. The other thing is blind Freddy can see he has multiple tricks to his bow. He's a unique talent.

Really tough on Cuningham there 81.

Second year player who has been going for the ball and is showing a bit of toughness. I think he is on track and producing nicely given it is only his second year and the pick we took him at. You need to consider how so many midfielder types have gone before him before you assign any negativity....Blaine B, Graham, Buckley, Vojo Rainbow, Menzel, Temay, Bootsma, and K Lucas.

Watching Cuningham develop on an even level (not surpassing expectations yes, but not failing either) is satisfying from my point of view. Not every player has to be a Pendlebury. Cuningham will play his part and for pick 20+ is doing fine. If SPS fails, then get on your high horse!

Edit: Forget that 81....i can see you are just talking up Charlie; not writing off cuningham.

 

[BluesRule]

I'm sure the club plan to have a quality midfield before MM and BG hang them up. Add a very early pick this year (say pick 2) and maybe a FA of note this year and again next year. And maybe trade for another first pick this year so we don't have to use a first rounder on Ben next year, so we trade our future first for a first this year, say pick 8 (pick 4 for 8). Other picks added to make it work

So we get...

Pick 2 - Mid
Pick 8 - Mid
FA - Mid
FA - Mid

Add to...

Murphy
Gibbs
Cripps
SPS
C. Curnow

+

Cuningham
Polson
Fisher

I am concerned about trading our 1st Round pick in 2018. If we stay bottom 4 as most pundits would reasonably predict right now, then there is every chance that we can draft a very high quality mid, plus get BOSOS in 2018.

I know that this is going to go against the grain but I think we should hold our first round pick in 2018 unless we get significant return (i.e.. a top 4 pick in 2017).

 

[BluesRule]

If C. Curnow can become a big midfielder along with Cripps then we can add Picket, SPS and Cuningham for the speed to give our midfield some real balance. A combination of speed and power.

Just need a good ruck who can run and we have the makings of a strong on ball group

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I am concerned about trading our 1st Round pick in 2018. If we stay bottom 4 as most pundits would reasonably predict right now, then there is every chance that we can draft a very high quality mid, plus get BOSOS in 2018.

I know that this is going to go against the grain but I think we should hold our first round pick in 2018 unless we get significant return (i.e.. a top 4 pick in 2017).

I don't think we will know what way we should go until the end of the season. If we are confident BSOS won't go in the top half dozen picks then I say keep our first rounder if we think he's top 5 trade it.

If that is the case we should keep a close eye on M Kennedy. He could be available if he can't break into the team and should be worth a future second if he nominates us

 

[Metalcrusher]

You can't teach mongrel. Period. Curnow has that so does his older brother.

 

[1981]

Really tough on Cuningham there 81.

Second year player who has been going for the ball and is showing a bit of toughness. I think he is on track and producing nicely given it is only his second year and the pick we took him at. You need to consider how so many midfielder types have gone before him before you assign any negativity....Blaine B, Graham, Buckley, Vojo Rainbow, Menzel, Temay, Bootsma, and K Lucas.

Watching Cuningham develop on an even level (not surpassing expectations yes, but not failing either) is satisfying from my point of view. Not every player has to be a Pendlebury. Cuningham will play his part and for pick 20+ is doing fine. If SPS fails, then get on your high horse!

Edit: Forget that 81....i can see you are just talking up Charlie; not writing off cuningham.

I am admittedly being a tad tough on Cuners, but do you think deep down the coaching panel aren't critical, in a constructive criticism manner towards him?
You say his development is satisfying. I am not sure I would completely agree. Yes he is only into his second year and it is just starting, but to my eye the issue he had last year he still has and that is an inability to find much of the ball. He is being played onball which is good as we need onballers badly, and he has the size and physique and the pace to thrive there, but he is still struggling to get the ball. Now it is still very early, and I would give him 2 more years min to develop, so I am by no means writing him off, but the reality is he will eventually need to start finding more of the ball, and I am sure the coaching panel are acutely aware of this current weakness in his game. He seemed to be at a lot of contests last week which is a good sign, but amazingly only had it 8 times by 3/4 time. Numbers aint everything but that stat stands out to me and is not a once off. On the surface that tells me he is struggling to read the play/find the ball for an onballer. Yes he is young and he should develop that part of his game in time, but until he does I don't think it is a crime to mention that as a current weakness. I like the lad, and think he has a lot to like and is one of our kids we need to stick by, but that doesn't hide the fact he needs to start finding more of it. Hopefully by June he is starting to find it 16-17 times, and not 10-12 times. That's the curve he needs to find IMO.

 

[1981]

I am concerned about trading our 1st Round pick in 2018. If we stay bottom 4 as most pundits would reasonably predict right now, then there is every chance that we can draft a very high quality mid, plus get BOSOS in 2018.

I know that this is going to go against the grain but I think we should hold our first round pick in 2018 unless we get significant return (i.e.. a top 4 pick in 2017).

Yes it depends on the pick we get back, for sure.

I guess the argument is, if Ben is seen as a top 3 pick, then why burn our first pick on him if we can get him with a 2nd + 3rd (+ maybe 4th if need be) bundle, and we get to keep a 1st rounder by using it this year instead of 2018. Makes sense to me in theory.

We maybe lose ground in terms of the value of that pick (ie: maybe we trade a future pick 3 for a current pick 8-10), but the upside is we effectively get x2 high grade kids (Ben + pick 8 2017) while only coughing up x1 first rounder.

Let's see how Ben performs this year. If he dominates this year, then we will need to seriously start thinking how to get him without giving up an early pick. In the AFL, unless you are a Hawthorn or Geelong or Sydney or GWS or GC you need to be really clever in how to get ahead of the comp.

 

[gbatman]

2014 Draft
Boekhorst - Looking unlikely to make it, just doesn't have that standout quality. Not strong enough in the body to be an inside player or defender, not enough nous to be a forward, quick but not super quick to get by on pace alone. Has his good games but just not damaging enough, perhaps in a better side we'd see better results.

Pickett - Absent from the game for a good while, will need another preseason to see his absolute best. Looks to have pace, forward nous and the skills and smarts to have an impact this season.

Marchbank - Missed a fair amount of footy but has had a massive impact this preseason. Expecting good things, he looks a ripper.

2014 draft looking ok now....

2015 Draft
Weitering - Genuine star and could be a star at either end. Enough said. Great hands, smart and good size.

McKay - Missed a year of development which is a bugger! Looks a tremendous athlete and plays with good aggression. All I want to see is that he has good hands which I'm not convinced of yet. Possible option to play as a second ruckman. Will take a bit of time.

C Curnow - Plenty of developing here but he looks to have all the tricks and ability to play in multiple positions.

Cuningham - Shown glimpses but still has a long way to go. Finding the ball and his place in the team. Hoping to see some big games at either level this year.

Silvagni - Looks to have the skills and build to make it but not sure we have figured out how to best use him yet. Still think he may make a midfielder. Great hands under pressure and good tackler. Obvious ability forward.



Glass-McKasker - Key lockdown defender, probably find it tough with Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman and Macreadie who I think will emerge. Rowe also who has time in him.

Gallucci - Quick little forward who just can't get his shoulder right.

Korcheck - Big unit but has a lot to learn, looks a long way off. Break incase of emergency type.

2016 Draft
Petrevski-Seton - Probably going to be a great fit for us. Looking forward to watching him emerge.

Fisher - Small and unrefined. Like how he goes about it and think he has something. Add some clean hands with that intensity and we'll have something.

Macreadie - Can you say a player will make it after watching one game? I'm tempted to but let's wait and see. Looks super impressive. Liked watching him attack the contest, mark the ball and the confidence he showed. Looks a good athlete and nicely skilled.

Polson - Hear he's training well, looks a good build, lets see. Maybe not quite ready yet.

Williamson - Early days, will have to see what he can do. Maybe not quite ready yet.

Kerr - Very early days, saw him take a nice mark in the reserves, being tall and having strong hands is always a good start.



LeBois - Very impressed by what he has done. Seems to have a magic boot, speed and x-factor. Would love to see him in the seniors.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yes it depends on the pick we get back, for sure.

I guess the argument is, if Ben is seen as a top 3 pick, then why burn our first pick on him if we can get him with a 2nd + 3rd (+ maybe 4th if need be) bundle, and we get to keep a 1st rounder by using it this year instead of 2018. Makes sense to me in theory.

We maybe lose ground in terms of the value of that pick (ie: maybe we trade a future pick 3 for a current pick 8-10), but the upside is we effectively get x2 high grade kids (Ben + pick 8 2017) while only coughing up x1 first rounder.

Let's see how Ben performs this year. If he dominates this year, then we will need to seriously start thinking how to get him without giving up an early pick. In the AFL, unless you are a Hawthorn or Geelong or Sydney or GWS or GC you need to be really clever in how to get ahead of the comp.

Totallly agree. It's all going to depend on 1. Where we think we will finish on the ladder next year and 2. Where we think BSOS will be rated