12th man syndrome.

[shawthing09]

Is it just me or does anyone else think it is poor management to have one of our developing players in Ben Ried missing so much football.

He has missed a couple of games with his quad, he was then rushed into the AFL team and has missed a few VFL games due to being in with a chance to play in the ones aswell as the bye. I think last week he deffinatly should have played in the 2's and I think he should be left there for a few weeks before his in consideration for AFL

 

[Kirby]

The "will he wont he" Rocca thing has really stuffed him up.

 

[unplugged]

Not too sure about calling it 'poor management', but I'm sure the club has the resources to develop him off the field as well. They won't simply just waste talent, so I wouldn't worry too much

 

[RRRooocccaaa]

Is it just me or does anyone else think it is poor management to have one of our developing players in Ben Ried missing so much football.

He has missed a couple of games with his quad, he was then rushed into the AFL team and has missed a few VFL games due to being in with a chance to play in the ones aswell as the bye. I think last week he deffinatly should have played in the 2's and I think he should be left there for a few weeks before his in consideration for AFL

I'll have a word to Rowdy and see if we can implement your proposal immediately.

 

[pipeline]

Is it just me or does anyone else think it is poor management to have one of our developing players in Ben Ried missing so much football.

He has missed a couple of games with his quad, he was then rushed into the AFL team and has missed a few VFL games due to being in with a chance to play in the ones aswell as the bye. I think last week he deffinatly should have played in the 2's and I think he should be left there for a few weeks before his in consideration for AFL

Dead right.

 

[Mars II]

we have developed so many good players and coz one player doesnt get through we have sheet managment in developing player
how about brown and wello? a sign of bad player managment?
they worked wonders with marty clarke.

 

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we have developed so many good players and coz one player doesnt get through we have sheet managment in developing player
how about brown and wello? a sign of bad player managment?
they worked wonders with marty clarke.

I must agree. It's been great to watch Brown and Wellingham since their inclusion - especially Wellingham, who seems to look as calm as someone who's played in the AFL for years. The more he plays, the more he will back himself, and the more exciting he will get.

I suppose he's going to be a regular inclusion in the side, which is great.

But yeah I just hope players like Ried can eventually break into the side on a more regular occasion. It's always exciting to watch the young players do their thing.

 

[didaka]

I don't know if it's bad management, but time to give him a go at it.

Bring him in for the Carlton game I reckon.

 

[Optimax]

I don't know if it's bad management, but time to give him a go at it.

Bring him in for the Carlton game I reckon.

yeah id like to see him in against carlton as well.

But being 12th man didnt hurt andy bichels carreer apart from niot playing many games

 

[TheSwoopingMagpie]

He'll play this Sunday I reckon.

Everyone has to be patient with him too, we can't expect the kid to fill Rocca's shoes for a while.

 

[OniAu]

i just hope they play him more at ff than letting him run up the wing to get his kicks. he just looks unsure further up the ground at afl level. im not sure what hes like at vfl and where he plays most of his games there, chf or ff ?

let clokey roam aroiund chf as we know he will be a good link up to get the ball inside 50 , let reid time his leads inside the forward 50 and use his speed.

 

[G.O.B]

Based on his last few efforts at the top level, Ben Reid is simply not ready yet.

Not saying he wont be at some stage but he's not even close at this stage. Patience is a virtue after all.

If we are compeled to play a young tall "for the experience" or in order to have a tall target with not much expectations placed on him we may as well give Chris Dawes a taste of it.

 

[TheSwoopingMagpie]

Whatever happened to Tristan Walker lol?

Sorry for my ignorance but I really am mystified

 

[Thommo 42]

yeah id like to see him in against carlton as well.

But being 12th man didnt hurt andy bichels carreer apart from niot playing many games

yes it did, it completely stuffed his career. He was 12th man forever and never got any match practice, so when his chances did come, he was cold and had no form to speak of.

I can see how Reid is in the same boat, hasn't played footy for over a month now has he?

 

[kevind]

Based on his last few efforts at the top level, Ben Reid is simply not ready yet.

Not saying he wont be at some stage but he's not even close at this stage. Patience is a virtue after all.

If we are compeled to play a young tall "for the experience" or in order to have a tall target with not much expectations placed on him we may as well give Chris Dawes a taste of it.

I agree with your comments about Reid. He looks quite a way off at the moment. We cannot afford to bring him in against Carlton and watch him have another diabolical game like the North game. It is going to be hard enough to win without having passengers.

But Dawes, you must be havin' a laugh. The guy is struggling to get a kick in the VFL and has kicked about 3 goals in the last 5 games. As someone else pointed out, he's probably the worst performed player on the list atm. He's either too young to have an influence, not sufficiently recovered from the knee op or is a complete dud.

 

[G.O.B]

But Dawes, you must be havin' a laugh. The guy is struggling to get a kick in the VFL and has kicked about 3 goals in the last 5 games. As someone else pointed out, he's probably the worst performed player on the list atm. He's either too young to have an influence, not sufficiently recovered from the knee op or is a complete dud.

My overall point is that they are both not near ready to play at the elite level.
I'm well aware that Reid is further along in his development and looks like being a player,
I'm also aware that Dawes is nowhere near the mark at the moment.

My point is that if it's much of a muchness and both players are going to offer us little, i would prefer to go in with the unknown quantity rather than the player who has already proved he's not ready for the top level yet.

It could be the making of the kid.

 

[Thommo 42]

the point about Reid is that none of us know how he is tracking, because he hasn't played footy for a month.

His game against north he clearly wasn't fit and he showed more against the Hawks on debut when he was 17, so I think people have short memories

 

[kevind]

My overall point is that they are both not near ready to play at the elite level.
I'm well aware that Reid is further along in his development and looks like being a player,
I'm also aware that Dawes is nowhere near the mark at the moment.

My point is that if it's much of a muchness and both players are going to offer us little, i would prefer to go in with the unknown quantity rather than the player who has already proved he's not ready for the top level yet.

It could be the making of the kid.

If Dawes plays this week, he will not get a kick. We cannot afford to experiment. There is not much difference between the sides and if Pendleberry is out(and Rocca as well by all accounts), then I think Carlton will probably win. Therefore we cannot afford to play players who will basically be experiments who will probably give us nothing.

We know Cox can play a bit, despite the fact his attack on the football and the man when we don't have the football leaves a lot to be desired. So stick with proven players(albeit limited proof in Cox's case) in big games.

I don't know about you but I sense most supporters have this attitude, "Oh we're better than Carlton and we just have to turn up to beat them". The fact is they have two game breaking players in Judd and Fevola and if they play well we will struggle. Our form against Melbourne was certainly not encouraging. We could possibly bring in Wood for Cox and play either Bryan or Fraser up forward, but I'm not a fan of taking inexperience into big games.

 

[G.O.B]

If Dawes plays this week, he will not get a kick. We cannot afford to experiment. There is not much difference between the sides and if Pendleberry is out(and Rocca as well by all accounts), then I think Carlton will probably win. Therefore we cannot afford to play players who will basically be experiments who will probably give us nothing.

I am in agreeance that Dawes should not be played.
I am also of the opinion that Reid should not be played.

I am mindful of the fact that Dawes has not impressed at his current level.
I am also aware that for various reasons Reid has shown very little at the elite level.

I am merely saying that if we ABSOLUTELY HAD TO play either of these 2 players I would prefer it was Dawes for the reasons I have outlined in earlier posts.

Apart from that, you are getting no argument from me.

As for your last point, I'm absolutely shitting myself over this weeks game so I'm not sure what category that puts me in.

 

[Kirby]

I've got to assume that anyone who is suggesting that Dawes play this week has not seen him play this year. He is so out of form and confidence that he would struggle to play well in the little league at half time. He will not play, forget it!

What sort of message would playing him send to the rest of the list anyway? It doesn't matter how hopeless you play, you'll get a game at the Pies anyway?

Reid is far more ready at this stage and has been playing well in the VFL , although not dominating. By the way, I'm sure he played 2 weeks ago, not amonth ago as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.

 

[brspdt201013]

He will play against Carlton this week. Playing in the Collingwood reserves at the moment is one way to loose your confidence. They are bad at the moment.


I have a feeling he will play quite well this week. He wont be BOG but he will do a few really good things that make you think.... Geez this kid is going to be a really good player at Collingwood for a really long time.

I think he will take about 8 - 10 marks, get 10 - 12 kicks, 2 - 3 handballs and kick a couple of goals playing as a lead up half forward next to Cloke. Can't wait!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mars II]

look Reid simply isn't ready yet its as simple as that

 

[brspdt201013]

He is definately a better option than Cox or Dawes in the forward line at the moment. By the start of next year he will be in our best 22.

 

[Ickirus]

At the moment Reid is nowhere near ready, Dawes even more so, his form and confidence are shot.

Reid needs to get at least a couple games in the VFL under his belt before he is given consideration. At the moment he is still too skinny and struggles to keep his feet if he doesn't take a mark, his goal kicking is also a concern.

Would prefer Anthony getting a run again instead of Cox

 

[Thommo 42]

Anthony into the side in defence and Brown to continue forward?

Hope not, as I'd like Browny to towel up Fev.