17-5 model (what do you think)?

[Ray Donovan]

I personally dislike the 17-5 model in every single aspect ? Anyone else have any thoughts on it good or bad?



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[Landgraft]

It's a deeply flawed system, but the current fixture model is absolute garbage for getting a balanced draw.

There have to be better ways. I'm even open to just 17 normal h&a rounds and 1-2 for rivalries and derbies as a better model.

 

[catempire]

I think there's good and bad.

The best part of it is playing everyone once, as long as home ground is rotated every year.

The worst part is what to do with the bottom third of teams so that their final 5 games are not a shambles.

 

[Landgraft]

I think there's good and bad.

The best part of it is playing everyone once, as long as home ground is rotated every year.

The worst part is what to do with the bottom third of teams so that their final 5 games are not a shambles.

Having essentially a finals series amongst the top teams immediately prior to the finals series is weird too. I think the best part of 17-5 is the mid table, but either end looks weird.

 

[Baudolino]

I hate it. Having the six qualified finalists play one another in a mini-finals series literally just before the real thing kicks off diminishes the excitement and specialness of the finals series proper.

Referring to the system as the "17-5 model" as if it's merely a restructuring of the home and away campaign is a bit of a misnomer as well, since it doesn't involve splitting the regular season up in to two components, what it actually does is reduce the regular season to 17 rounds, which I've always been strongly against no matter the details of the proposal.

 

[catempire]

what it actually does is reduce the regular season to 17 rounds, which I've always been strongly against no matter the details of the proposal.

Why's that?

 

[Baudolino]

Why's that?

Don't agree with the widely-expressed premise that the season is too long.

 

[catempire]

Don't agree with the widely-expressed premise that the season is too long.

What about that it's fairer?

 

[Baudolino]

What about that it's fairer?

The negatives outweigh any fixture-balance-related positives.

 

[CatRiot]

What's with the AFL still trying to change the rules all the time... It gets a bit annoying, its like they have nothing better to do with themselves.

 

[catempire]

The negatives outweigh any fixture-balance-related positives.

I actually think 17 then four weeks of finals would be plenty of footy for me and the evenness of it really appeals to me. But I accept it's commercially unviable so the next best for me is 17-5.

 

[Vdubs]

I actually think 17 then four weeks of finals would be plenty of footy for me and the evenness of it really appeals to me. But I accept it's commercially unviable so the next best for me is 17-5.

17 weeks is the only fair system playing each team once, then reversing the home games the following season.
We could then enjoy a supplementary State of Origin weekend or series at some point, and a 4 week finals series.
The players and support staff would love it.
I'm like you, the season drags on and is magnified by the inequity of the draw each year.

[Bet you must think the A-League is about 9 weeks too long- playing each team 3x is over the top. We don't have the depth of lists to cope.]

 

[Boxhead_31]

It might be Americanising the game a bit too much. But what if for the bottom 6 after 17 they play off for lottery chances for the first pick? 13th side gets the best odds of winning the pick but it is still a matter of chance. Gives that bottom group something to play for and discourages tanking, draft picks could become protected when trading similar to the NBA.

 

[JackFlash]

Don't like it, but i don't like anything the AFL do 17-5 is unworkable.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Very much like everyone playing everyone in the first 17 games. From then on I don't know why we can't start another block of 17 games (rolling into the next season) where everyone plays each other once again, and so on...

With a 22 round system can't get much more fair then this.

 

[cynical]

it's stupid

playing teams around your level at the end of the season diminishes the finals

the fixture isnt rocket science

just make sure over a period of 3/4/5 years each team plays each other an equal amount of times

keep 2 freo vs wce a year because of travel (although even this isnt necessary)

then play different teams twice each year depending on the previous year

 

[Ray Donovan]

Having essentially a finals series amongst the top teams immediately prior to the finals series is weird too. I think the best part of 17-5 is the mid table, but either end looks weird.

I agree with that and I think also you are also taking away a teams ability to come home strong and hope for supporters. I saw richmond peel 8-9 straight the other year . Your ruling sides out of top 4 contention with injuries we know how even the comp is last season teams will be ruled out of top 6 with less than 2 matches separating them.

It will completely change how football is played through the season. I don't like it of all the changes thrown up I dislike this the most its too radical. People nearly lost the handle with the bye before finals now we are going to rule out sides of positions before end of season rubbish

 

[Ray Donovan]

it's stupid

playing teams around your level at the end of the season diminishes the finals

the fixture isnt rocket science

just make sure over a period of 3/4/5 years each team plays each other an equal amount of times

keep 2 freo vs wce a year because of travel (although even this isnt necessary)

then play different teams twice each year depending on the previous year

It is stupid its a revenue raising AFL superfund doesn't have clubs in mind just what makes the most cash.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Very much like everyone playing everyone in the first 17 games. From then on I don't know why we can't start another block of 17 games (rolling into the next season) where everyone plays each other once again, and so on...

With a 22 round system can't get much more fair then this.

Because you lose too much money all this t.v deals sign up for a minimum number of games. 5 extra games is usually derbies, coll ESS, haw gee, blockbuster games so it needs to be replaced with something just as relevant money wise. Top end teams playing for positions do that. Daz would no best but its almost like a conference structure in NFL where teams are grouped together with the winner getting best position. It works there because so many teams and so much travelling.

17 then finals is a better system fair !

 

[Ray Donovan]

It might be Americanising the game a bit too much. But what if for the bottom 6 after 17 they play off for lottery chances for the first pick? 13th side gets the best odds of winning the pick but it is still a matter of chance. Gives that bottom group something to play for and discourages tanking, draft picks could become protected when trading similar to the NBA.

So the best side out of the bottom5 gets the best chance of a no.1 pick that was the rule I hated the most.

NBA lottery still works as the worst record gets the highest percentage of chance of no.1 pick.

I'm all for a bottom 5 lottery but the worst record still deserves most priority.
It won't stop tanking just clubs will do it from different positions the only thing that will change is better sides will drop the bundle from 10th ala Ross Lyon last season minor premiers to bottom 4 a lot of injuries. Then you will increase the likely hood of bad sides getting worse.
It makes a joke out of the equalisation summit.

 

[Ray Donovan]

What about that it's fairer?

17-5 is not fairer

17 and finals is a good system not viable but good.

It just frustrates me because its all about money. Supporters don't care if we play brisbane in the last round before finals we are glad get a win build percentage leave some players at home. But it loses AFL general supporter ratings and I'm sure the figures suggest that teams in must win regular season games rates well makes money attendance. All this equalisation crap was all about making money. Not how do we even the competition how do we make money!

When they start nibbling about top team out of bottom 5 gets highest priority pick spitting in the face of equalisation

 

[Ray Donovan]

I hate it. Having the six qualified finalists play one another in a mini-finals series literally just before the real thing kicks off diminishes the excitement and specialness of the finals series proper.

Referring to the system as the "17-5 model" as if it's merely a restructuring of the home and away campaign is a bit of a misnomer as well, since it doesn't involve splitting the regular season up in to two components, what it actually does is reduce the regular season to 17 rounds, which I've always been strongly against no matter the details of the proposal.

Lol then playoff for positions I'm assuming otherwise why else do you seed them. Your going to see some fresh sides come out of that 6-8 pack it just might create havok. Your going to have teams playing for certain finals spots regarding draw where its best to finish all these different elements.

The NBA is a good example of how confusing you can make this system. Won't explain it here but if anyone is interested lookup conference, division, playoff structure what determines positions etc. Before last season it was rediculous division winners were driven priority of record. GS and Spurs run two of those divisions

 

[Ray Donovan]

I think there's good and bad.

The best part of it is playing everyone once, as long as home ground is rotated every year.

The worst part is what to do with the bottom third of teams so that their final 5 games are not a shambles.

People were worried about being able to live trade players at draft. Or trade picks then you get slapped with a complete system overhaul

 

[catempire]

17-5 is not fairer

Of course it is. If you play everyone once and then play an additional five games that are based on closeness of competition rather than arbitrariness or "blockbuster" fetishes, that's much fairer.

 

[catempire]

When they start nibbling about top team out of bottom 5 gets highest priority pick spitting in the face of equalisation

Totally agree with that. It's the biggest obstacle to 17-5 I can see.