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From memory Thommo also got the "most accurate" title as well ..... which kinda ruined the credibility of the whole promotion ! :p
 

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crudbucket said:
From memory Thommo also got the "most accurate" title as well ..... which kinda ruined the credibility of the whole promotion ! :p
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yeah he did, he earnt $1,000 for it but it was bloody stupid, you just got a point for hitting the stumps I think.

What Safraz Nawaz was doing there god only knows.

Wonder if Bob Willis was invited?
 
If you want to check out the full comp they have it on a dvd called Speed Demons .

Thommo won the most accurate because he kept bowling full tosses at the pegs . He entered the comp on no training and after his shoulder reco , Rod Marsh went on to say that he belives Thommo at times would have bowled closer to 180 kph pre shoulder injury :eek:

Not sure if Willis was invited but the joke at the time was that they were going to time Safraz with a sundial .

And they still maintain that the technology used then is as if not more accurate then the guns today . Believe it or not
 
Full length deliveries come up faster on the radar than short ones. Andy Roberts bowled bouncer after bouncer in this comp, if he had bowled a couple of Thommos full tosses it would have been interesting to see what he registered.
 
Mr P@H said:
Should have been, Robert George Dylan rocks!
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I've met him, had a drink wih him & he was talking about a pub quiz that he'd done recently & was testing me with some of the questions, it wa just after he'd upset the women's rights movement by saying that the wives & gfs shouldn't go on tour with the players I made a crack about a future quiz question being which former Englad fast bowler wanted women stuck at home looking after the kids & he didn't look overly impressed.
 
ozserpico66 said:
Full length deliveries come up faster on the radar than short ones. Andy Roberts bowled bouncer after bouncer in this comp, if he had bowled a couple of Thommos full tosses it would have been interesting to see what he registered.
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It's always dodgy how they time them even now it's clearly not always accurate, the radar shold be picking the ball at it's fastest point so the ball is obviously gonna accelerate for a bit out of the hand but I dunno how far it goes before it reaches max velocity before resistance starts to slow it, in theory a bouncer shouldn't have a slower max speed although it'll take longer to reach the stumps as hitting the deck will take out a lot of speed.

It's funny but in this challenge Thommo didn't seem that fast, he just seemed to amble up, he's a freak no doubt.

Hadlee was pretty quick in those days, I remember the 80s Hadlee when he was a champion fast-med bowler but I'd read that he used to be a tearaway in the 70s but he wasn't anywhere near as good as he became.
 
Dipper said:
I've met him, had a drink wih him & he was talking about a pub quiz that he'd done recently & was testing me with some of the questions, it wa just after he'd upset the women's rights movement by saying that the wives & gfs shouldn't go on tour with the players I made a crack about a future quiz question being which former Englad fast bowler wanted women stuck at home looking after the kids & he didn't look overly impressed.
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pwning him is even better :p:thumbsu:
 
It was after Thommo's major shoulder injury. He was faster before it.

Like to know how they measured it. With the background grid setup, I assume its an average time over the pitch length?
It would slow down with gravity, air resistance, etc
These days its a radar so they get it at different points?
I'd say the ball would travel its fastest right at the point of release.
 
ErnieSigley said:
It was after Thommo's major shoulder injury. He was faster before it.

Like to know how they measured it. With the background grid setup, I assume its an average time over the pitch length?
It would slow down with gravity, air resistance, etc
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If that's the case then full pitchers would be quicker than bouncers.


These days its a radar so they get it at different points?
I'd say the ball would travel its fastest right at the point of release.
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I dunno I thought they got the maximum speed & I don't think it would be maximum at the point of release because at the point the ball is only going at the speed the guy is running, the ball must accelerate for a short distance out of the hand to max speed before slowing down again, not very far I'm sure but I dunno maybe a few feet, couple of metres?
 

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Dipper said:
If that's the case then full pitchers would be quicker than bouncers.
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True-you hit the ground it should slow the ball down with friction. Not sure your point and I've never denied this.

Dipper said:
I dunno I thought they got the maximum speed & I don't think it would be maximum at the point of release because at the point the ball is only going at the speed the guy is running,
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I said point of release not just before it is about to be released. Once the ball has left the bowler hand it can't gain momentum and its only going to slow down.

Dipper said:
the ball must accelerate for a short distance out of the hand to max speed before slowing down again, not very far I'm sure but I dunno maybe a few feet, couple of metres?
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Not sure about your wording here. Once the ball is released from the hand the ball it can't accelerate(without say 160km/hr wind behind it). It goes against all physics theories if it does.
 
The points to remember from this competition:
As others have said, a short pitched delivery slows off the deck, and the West Indian bowlers didn't understand this as every ball was dug in short.
The competition was held on a very hot day in Perth which may have slowed the bowlers down a little.
The speed machines were in no way as advanced as they are these days. Their accuracy couldn't be relied upon, they were only an indication.
Jeff Thomson hadn't played competitive cricket for some time, and he was called over to Perth to participate. He was in no way match fit to bowl at his quickest, and yet he still won.
Thommo is the quickest bowler I have ever seen, and 147kph is a slower delivery for Thommo.
 
ErnieSigley said:
True-you hit the ground it should slow the ball down with friction. Not sure your point and I've never denied this.


I said point of release not just before it is about to be released. Once the ball has left the bowler hand it can't gain momentum and its only going to slow down.


Not sure about your wording here. Once the ball is released from the hand the ball it can't accelerate(without say 160km/hr wind behind it). It goes against all physics theories if it does.
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Mate I'm not criticising you but it's like any object with momentum behind it like firing a bullet from a gun or launching a space rocket there's all that power that launches it but nothing can be at maximum velocity straight away there has to be an initial acceleration period.

At the point of release the ball is speeding up it has to be that way it can't come out at max speed it must speed up for a short period before the resistance of the air plus gravity pulling it down decreases the speed.

Like say I threw a ball at you but you were 10cm away it'd hurt a lot less than if you were 3 metres away because the ball has sped up.
 
Dipper said:
Mate I'm not criticising you but it's like any object with momentum behind it like firing a bullet from a gun or launching a space rocket there's all that power that launches it but nothing can be at maximum velocity straight away there has to be an initial acceleration period.
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Please tell me how something accelerates without any force pushing or pulling it. Its a basic rule of physics.

Dipper said:
At the point of release the ball is speeding up it has to be that way it can't come out at max speed it must speed up for a short period before the resistance of the air plus gravity pulling it down decreases the speed.
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Again how is it speeding up once out of the hand? What is the phenomenon?

Dipper said:
Like say I threw a ball at you but you were 10cm away it'd hurt a lot less than if you were 3 metres away because the ball has sped up.
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? Try it.
I'd rather be 3m away than 10cm. Close in fieldsmen don't need helmets. Those at slip do.
 
Dipper said:
Mate I'm not criticising you but it's like any object with momentum behind it like firing a bullet from a gun or launching a space rocket there's all that power that launches it but nothing can be at maximum velocity straight away there has to be an initial acceleration period.

At the point of release the ball is speeding up it has to be that way it can't come out at max speed it must speed up for a short period before the resistance of the air plus gravity pulling it down decreases the speed.
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Absolutely correct.

The other statement that makes me laugh is when you hear a commentator say, "the ball gathered pace off the pitch". This is, of course, impossible. What actually happens is the ball may lift off the pitch unexpectedly causing the batsman to rush his shot, creating the illusion that the ball gathered pace.
 

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ErnieSigley said:
Please tell me how something accelerates without any force pushing or pulling it. Its a basic rule of physics.


Again how is it speeding up once out of the hand? What is the phenomenon?


? Try it.
I'd rather be 3m away than 10cm. Close in fieldsmen don't need helmets. Those at slip do.
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Slips don't wear helmets
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
The points to remember from this competition:
As others have said, a short pitched delivery slows off the deck, and the West Indian bowlers didn't understand this as every ball was dug in short.
The competition was held on a very hot day in Perth which may have slowed the bowlers down a little.
The speed machines were in no way as advanced as they are these days. Their accuracy couldn't be relied upon, they were only an indication.
Jeff Thomson hadn't played competitive cricket for some time, and he was called over to Perth to participate. He was in no way match fit to bowl at his quickest, and yet he still won.
Thommo is the quickest bowler I have ever seen, and 147kph is a slower delivery for Thommo.
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But same for everyone.
 
ErnieSigley said:
Sorry don't understand the second part of your statement.
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Should rephrase

In the fast bowling challenge they took the average speed of the ball, while now they take the fastest speed
 

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