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REDUX ZEITGEIST SURF SCHOOL - PREMIERE!

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I have been reluctant to post anything by U2, because up until now, I have always been ambivalent about this band. I first became aware of them when a friend traveled to England in early 1981 and sent me back a tape she had recorded off the BBC which was featuring tracks from their 1980 release Boy. I really liked that album and rated their their subsequent releases quite highly in the early to mid 80's. I suppose my interest peaked when they released the song Pride, but after that, I mentally consigned them to the status of a 'singles band.' I know that puts me out of step with the majority of music fans, because I jumped off them well and truly before they went IMPERIAL. It could be me, but I just found Bono's flag waving shtick made me uncomfortable.

Anyroad, here are my favourite U2 Songs.

Thoughts?

I went to this gig and really enjoyed it, even if there was a bit much flag waving.

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U2 Setlist at Sports & Entertainment Centre, Melbourne

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The family and I watched the first episode of This Town on SBS last night. Apart from being very good and recreating 80s England believably, our youngest said "I really should listen to more ska and reggae". I love the fact that our 80s musical tastes have been well and truly absorbed (Kimba, she really likes the Cocteau Twins) and she has the confidence to listen to stuff that may challenge her.

Parenting skill level up by 1.
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It happens by osmosis. My youngest son, when he was learning to write, used to make lists of his favourite bands. I found this other week. He has quite good taste.

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I sent him to his room for including ELO. The perils of unsupervised Spotify access.
 
3KZ is Football said:
REDUX ZEITGEIST SURF SCHOOL - PREMIERE!

U2







I have been reluctant to post anything by U2, because up until now, I have always been ambivalent about this band. I first became aware of them when a friend traveled to England in early 1981 and sent me back a tape she had recorded off the BBC which was featuring tracks from their 1980 release Boy. I really liked that album and rated their their subsequent releases quite highly in the early to mid 80's. I suppose my interest peaked when they released the song Pride, but after that, I mentally consigned them to the status of a 'singles band.' I know that puts me out of step with the majority of music fans, because I jumped off them well and truly before they went IMPERIAL. It could be me, but I just found Bono's flag waving shtick made me uncomfortable.

Anyroad, here are my favourite U2 Songs.

Thoughts?

I went to this gig and really enjoyed it, even if there was a bit much flag waving.

www.setlist.fm

U2 Setlist at Sports & Entertainment Centre, Melbourne

Get the U2 Setlist of the concert at Sports & Entertainment Centre, Melbourne, Australia on September 14, 1984 from the The Unforgettable Fire Tour and other U2 Setlists for free on setlist.fm!
www.setlist.fm www.setlist.fm
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I agree. I Will Follow was the first track I heard. U2 were really popular with the Christian crowd at school and one of them played October during our music class.

I really like War. There is a sparseness, an almost emptiness that they are filling on the album. This is a favourite.



I bought Unforgettable Fire before I left for Adelaide in 1985 and the album always reminds me of that first week in February that I spent here. After that, they became mega popular and I didn't want to follow the herd.
 

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3KZ is Football said:
It happens by osmosis. My youngest son, when he was learning to write, used to make lists of his favourite bands. I found this other week. He has quite good taste.

(Prep)
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I sent him to his room for including ELO. The perils of unsupervised Spotify access.
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Love the list.

The 13 year old me has a small corner of appreciation for Elo and I think Jeff Lynne is a talent.



 
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Seriously, all roads seem to lead to the Theatre Royal in Castlemaine. Must be a great venue.







 
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Goya detail from the portrait of Manuel Osorio Manrique de Zuñiga, 1787-88.
Oil on panel, 50 x 40 in. (127 x 101.6 cm)
Collection of Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

At Queen Vic Market this morning George (Wing) said he had something to show me, his tax form from 1960.
He knows I like ephemera and history, so when he was cleaning up at home going through old files he put it aside to show me.
Pretty sure I've mentioned George before but I'll reiterate a bit of his story again. George was born in 1937 in Hong Kong he is the same age as my Mother. He came out here as a 12 year old, sent to live with an Aunt, Uncle & Cousins who were already here, they were very mean to him. He is the Green Grocer I go to and have for more than 30 years, the one who was friends with John Landy and he still misses him a lot.
Any way I'm looking at the form, all the deductions/claims you could make including a daughter at home in the days when a spinster daughter was claimable.
Everything was claimable, dental, health, school uniforms and I remembered how you used to get the tax forms from the post office and they were large format sheets.
I was avoiding reading George's personal information but I saw he had put down 'Fitter and Turner' as his occupation. He said he used to work for the SEC (State Electricity Commission) and that he had gone to Footscray Tech, then RMIT and worked on the big turbines at the Newport Power Station and Richmond (where Ikea is now) and how each blade of the turbine would take a day each to work on. We talked about the fact that Richmond being one of the manufacturing areas had it's own mini Power plant etc.
He said he was the only 'foreigner' there and put up witth a lot and then another 'foreigner' came and he was a professional boxer who couldn't defend himself or he would lose his registration and how George told the others to stop the bullying that it wasn't on and wasn't fair.
I replied that, the mob rule thing was one of the flaws of the Australian mentality, that even if you were 'one of them' if you had a different take on things or what was considered weird ideas then you were bullied just the same.
This thing in Australia, the 'Fair Go' has always had alongside it the underbelly of repression of individuality.
My Father believes it comes from the Irish Catholic strain. Possibly, but then we fall into the culture wars and ideas of 'victory' and 'loss'. And then you get stuck on and in the details because everyone will have their own little area staked out, their own position/history/sensitivities.
The details are always there.
 
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Goya detail from the portrait of Manuel Osorio Manrique de Zuñiga, 1787-88.
Oil on panel, 50 x 40 in. (127 x 101.6 cm)
Collection of Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

At Queen Vic Market this morning George (Wing) said he had something to show me, his tax form from 1960.
He knows I like ephemera and history, so when he was cleaning up at home going through old files he put it aside to show me.
Pretty sure I've mentioned George before but I'll reiterate a bit of his story again. George was born in 1937 in Hong Kong he is the same age as my Mother. He came out here as a 12 year old, sent to live with an Aunt, Uncle & Cousins who were already here, they were very mean to him. He is the Green Grocer I go to and have for more than 30 years, the one who was friends with John Landy and he still misses him a lot.
Any way I'm looking at the form, all the deductions/claims you could make including a daughter at home in the days when a spinster daughter was claimable.
Everything was claimable, dental, health, school uniforms and I remembered how you used to get the tax forms from the post office and they were large format sheets.
I was avoiding reading George's personal information but I saw he had put down 'Fitter and Turner' as his occupation. He said he used to work for the SEC (State Electricity Commission) and that he had gone to Footscray Tech, then RMIT and worked on the big turbines at the Newport Power Station and Richmond (where Ikea is now) and how each blade of the turbine would take a day each to work on. We talked about the fact that Richmond being one of the manufacturing areas had it's own mini Power plant etc.
He said he was the only 'foreigner' there and put up witth a lot and then another 'foreigner' came and he was a professional boxer who couldn't defend himself or he would lose his registration and how George told the others to stop the bullying that it wasn't on and wasn't fair.
I replied that, the mob rule thing was one of the flaws of the Australian mentality, that even if you were 'one of them' if you had a different take on things or what was considered weird ideas then you were bullied just the same.
This thing in Australia, the 'Fair Go' has always had alongside it the underbelly of repression of individuality.
My Father believes it comes from the Irish Catholic strain. Possibly, but then we fall into the culture wars and ideas of 'victory' and 'loss'. And then you get stuck on and in the details because everyone will have their own little area staked out, their own position/history/sensitivities.
The details are always there.
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Interesting. The idea of the ‘fair go’ is tied up with the much vaunted belief in the egalitarianism that is supposed to be a feature of our society. Both these are also concepts that are bound up in notions of white supremacy, because neither was ever applied to our First Nations people and both were said to be threatened by competition from non white labour. It was no surprise that the first law passed by our freshly federated Parliament was the Immigration Restriction Act of 1901. Into this mix you throw the psychological perspectives perpetuated by the convict era and the idea that the way you showed solidarity with your mates was to be anti authoritarian, while also not ‘bunging on side’ which meant to not adopt airs and graces or be openly aspirational. Hence the great levelling which in Australia we know as the ‘Tall Poppy Syndrome’. This includes not being a ‘smart arse’ - which tended to manifest itself as a general and open distrust of the learned, intellectuals, writers, artists, those advancing political ideologies and basically anyone who might be a bit European. Australians readily embraced the phrase, “that’s a bit Continental” to describe anything that was a bit different or pushed them out of their narrow comfort zones.

Politically and economically, Australian workers were conned by the ruling class, who perpetuated the idea after WWI of the ‘Deserving Digger’ and used it as an effective tool in the first ‘Red Scare’ of the 1920’s. before broadening it to encompass the ‘deserving us’ being threatened by the ‘menacing other’. Here you can insert, migrants who refused demands to assimilate on “our” terms, Indigenous Australians, Communists, Socialists, Intellectuals, Feminists, Environmentalists, anti-nuclear campaigners, refugee asylum seekers and now it seems, student visa holders and as ever, any women who wouldn’t play housewife under the patriarchy. In fact, most Australians were complicit in the ‘con’ because they actively engaged in the sort of anti-political political thought advanced by conservatives from Billy Hughes to Peter Dutton. It’s the same nonsense pedaled by Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Boris Johnson and Donald Trump, all of whom tried to paint themselves as standing up for some put upon ‘silent majority’ who are ‘wronged’ and made ‘victims’, not by the power elite, but by those who have the temerity to ask for a bigger slice of the economic or cultural pie. CUE: You just haven’t earned it yet baby!

(See Loveday, P. “Anti-Political Political Thought” in Mackinolty, J. The Wasted Years (George Allen & Unwin, Sydney, 1981)

Enter the post-war wave of migrants from Southern Europe. Reviled for their difference, envied and distrusted for their determination to work hard and validate their choices, politically sophisticated in many instances and subjected to racism because of the threat they posed to a hitherto unchallenged Anglo-Saxon hegemony. At first glance, they didn’t stand a chance, but they prevailed. As have successive communities of migrants. More power to them.

Well that’s what I reckon.
 
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Emeritus Professor Patricia Grimshaw

I took her “Changing Concepts of Women’s Place In Western Society and Thought” in third year honours. It was one of the best constructed and taught subjects I had ever done. I was the only man in my tute and one of the few in the course. There was a lot of eye rolling and sighing when I contributed, but Pat was fantastic. Engaging and validating and smart, smart, smart.

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Dr. Lloyd Robson

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I had Lloyd in fourth year. I forget the title of the subject, but it was political history of the early to mid 20th Century. He had us all over to his place in Fitzroy for a dinner party one evening and the spread was amazing. He also bought a few contemporary records to play to make us feel at home. He played Red Sails in the Sunset by Midnight Oil and gave a great off the cuff analysis of their lyrics and their place in the left radical Australian tradition. One of my best academic experiences.

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Professor Stuart Mcintryre

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Stuart Macintyre was my supervisor for my Masters thesis. He was intelligent, gracious, supportive and an enormous help. Took me out for a nice lunch when the thesis was accepted and I graduated. Stuart was a target of the right wing culture warriors, but he gave as good as he got. He was a great public intellectual. He wrote the definitive history of the Communist Party of Australia.

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3KZ is Football’s Favourite Australian Historians

Dr. Patricia Grimshaw

I took her “Changing Concepts of Women’s Place In Western Society and Thought” in third year honours. It was one of the best constructed and taught and subjects I had ever done. I was the only man in my tute and one of the few in the course. There was a lot of eye rolling and sighing when I contributed, but Pat was fantastic. Engaging and validating and smart, smart, smart.

www.auswhn.com.au

Day in the working life of a (retired) historian: Patricia Grimshaw | Australian Women's History Network

The working lives of feminist historians series continues with Emeritus Professor Patricia Grimshaw describing a day in the life of a ‘retired’ academic.
www.auswhn.com.au

Patricia Grimshaw - Wikipedia

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Dr. Lloyd Robson

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Lloyd Robson (centre)

I had Lloyd in fourth year. I forget the title of the subject, but it was political history of the early to mid 20th Century. He had us all over to his place in Fitzroy for a dinner party one evening and the spread was amazing. He also bought a few contemporary records to play to make us feel at home. He played Red Sails in the Sunset and gave a great off the cuff analysis of their lyrics and their place in the left radical Australian tradition. One of my best academic experiences.

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Lloyd Robson - Wikipedia

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Professor Stuart Mcintryre

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Stuart Macintyre was my supervisor for my Masters thesis. He was intelligent, gracious, supportive and an enormous help. Took me out for a nice lunch when the thesis was accepted and I graduated. Stuart was a target of the right wing culture warriors, but he gave as good as he got. He was a great public intellectual. He wrote the definitive history of the Communist Party of Australia.

Stuart Macintyre - Wikipedia

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On a personal note, Pat Grimshaw has been a friend of the family since 1966. Part of the Melb Uni set of Carlton she lived in Arnold st, only selling the family home two years ago.
Of this dynamic Melb Uni set only four women survive of which Pat is the youngest.
My Mother and Aunt are two of them and Val Wilson now 93 is the only one still living in this original trangle of North Carlton. All are graduates of Melbourne University and were very involved in their communities both personally and politically. This generation of professional women all had families while pushing against the boundaries of their subsequent professions and the strictures of 'womanhood' as it was prescribed.
My Mother is now the last surviving graduate of her year in Architecture of which then there were only 6 women in the faculty.
Pat is one smart cookie as they all were and are. I remember her back in the 60's 70's as being very kind but also very preoccupied with her professional life, the house was overflowing with the tumult of family life. With 3 kids of which the oldest David was my brother's best friend and the other two girls younger it was pretty crazy.
This generation of women were not complainers they got on with it and set standards of acheivement to aspire to.
 
Just finished watching The Specials documentary on SBS on Demand.

Highly recommended.

I was lucky enough to see them in 2012 and when they played at Womad in 2017.

Did I say that the documentary is highly recommended?

Well, it is.
 
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This EP by New Order, released in November 1982 is one of their best and certainly one of my most loved records of the decade. Seeing Peter Hook and The Light on Sunday night brought so many happy memories back. It has been on high rotation since.

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