2 days to go

[the_big_sav]

2 days to go until they announce the greatest ever australian ODI team. they named a list of 30 who would be in contention for the all time 12.

i know there was a thread with peoples predictions but here is the link to the 30 http://www.cricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=mediareleasedisplay&id=38979

does someone have a link to the previous thread?

here is my 12

Mark Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Ricky Ponting
Dean Jones
Greg Chappell
Steve Waugh
Allan Border
Shane Warne
Craig McDermott
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

Andrew Symonds/ Darren Lehmann

couldnt split symonds and lehmann (both have similar records, lehmann's bowling is better then i thought)

p.s i know bevan is not there but i cant stand him and he has lost as many as he has won for us (but thats not the point of this thread)

 

[bringbackschwarter5]

Where's White and Lewis

 

[Heisenberg_]

Bevan would be in before S Waugh IMO

 

[jnash196]

Hayden
Gilchrist
D Jones
Ponting
M Waugh
Hussey
Bevan
Warne
McDermott
Lillee
McGrath

Symonds/Reiffel 12th Man

 

[crownie]

M.Waugh
Gilchrist
Ponting
D.Jones
S.Waugh
A.Border
Bevan
Warne
McDermott
Lille
McGrath

12th - Symonds

 

[likka]

Mark Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Ricky Ponting
Dean Jones
Allan Border
Steve Waugh
Michael Bevan
Shane Warne
Brett Lee
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

12th - Andrew Symonds

 

[andrew_embley]

yeah theres a link somewhere

Symonds will make the first XI

 

[Romeo]

I wouldn't have Bevan in. I think lots of players can play the role where they nurdle the ball and just keep their wickets intact. The game has evolved where every batsman practically has to be capable of hitting and taking the game by the scruff of the neck as well as being able to merely stay in and accumulate if that's what the tempo requires. Hussey for instance has surpassed Bevan in the middle order.

And of the golden oldies who probably won't make it, I'd take Greg Chappell. He was always used as the fifth bowler and invariably took wickets. And what a bonus to have your gun #3 batsman and sensational fieldsman as your fifth bowler. And most of his one day cricket was played towards the end of his career and yet his stats were near the top of the world in his day.

 

[HBF]

Mark Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Ricky Ponting
Dean Jones
Allan Border
Steve Waugh
Michael Bevan
Shane Warne
Brett Lee
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

12th - Andrew Symonds

Couldn't have done much better myself. Pretty good 11 + Symonds there likka.

 

[Wicked Lester]

And of the golden oldies who probably won't make it, I'd take Greg Chappell. He was always used as the fifth bowler and invariably took wickets. And what a bonus to have your gun #3 batsman and sensational fieldsman as your fifth bowler. And most of his one day cricket was played towards the end of his career and yet his stats were near the top of the world in his day.

I agree. I doubt he'll make it too. But he'd be one of my first picked.

I actually compared his record with his contemporaries. From those batsmen playing ODI's in the late 70's and early 80's a typical one day batting record was an average of about 28 and strike rate of 60 odd.

He averaged 40 with a strike rate of 76 - so far in frnt of his contemporaries its not funny. Throw in the fact he was a very competent bowler and brilliant fielder and you have the complete package.

FWIW my team is:

Mark Waugh
Gilchrist
Ponting
Jones
Greg Chappell
Andrew Symonds
Mike Hussey
Warne
Lee
Lillee
McGrath

Unlucky: Clarke, Bevan, Lehmann

Note: Border and Steve Waugh. Don't get me wrong they were great players of the ODI era, but there greatness rests moreso on the weight of games played. Border was great in his day but not the equal of those named above. Steve Waugh was a superb one day cricketer, but not in the highest echelon of one day batsman.

The old chestnut that he was a great one day bowler at the death is all good and well, but I'd give the ball to Lillee and McGrath at the death anytime over a medium pacer.

Besides, this team has Symonds, Chappell and Lillee to find the other ten overs.

 

[crownie]

I wouldn't have Bevan in. I think lots of players can play the role where they nurdle the ball and just keep their wickets intact. The game has evolved where every batsman practically has to be capable of hitting and taking the game by the scruff of the neck as well as being able to merely stay in and accumulate if that's what the tempo requires. Hussey for instance has surpassed Bevan in the middle order.

And of the golden oldies who probably won't make it, I'd take Greg Chappell. He was always used as the fifth bowler and invariably took wickets. And what a bonus to have your gun #3 batsman and sensational fieldsman as your fifth bowler. And most of his one day cricket was played towards the end of his career and yet his stats were near the top of the world in his day.

thats not the point, the fact is Bevan had a healthy career and won many games for Australia with the way he played, played in 2 winning world cup teams in a strong era. Name any other country that had a player similair, that had the same impact Bevan had on his country?

 

[Romeo]

thats not the point, the fact is Bevan had a healthy career and won many games for Australia with the way he played, played in 2 winning world cup teams in a strong era. Name any other country that had a player similair, that had the same impact Bevan had on his country?

A valid point, however when taking all eras into consideration, I bet you could find several who've played for us who can play Bevan's role at least as well as him. It's the team of 3 and a half decades. He had the luxury of keeping his wicket intact thus his higher average. He played his role well but I think others can as well.

 

[likka]

A valid point, however when taking all eras into consideration, I bet you could find several who've played for us who can play Bevan's role at least as well as him. It's the team of 3 and a half decades. He had the luxury of keeping his wicket intact thus his higher average. He played his role well but I think others can as well.

This has nothing to do with anything. Bevan did it, others did not do it. Team is selected on international record.

Bevan's ODI record is up there with the best in the history of the one day game. Should be in the side IMO.

 

[crownie]

A valid point, however when taking all eras into consideration, I bet you could find several who've played for us who can play Bevan's role at least as well as him. It's the team of 3 and a half decades. He had the luxury of keeping his wicket intact thus his higher average. He played his role well but I think others can as well.

Bevan just did not get cheap runs, i remember many games when he dug Australia out of a hole, World cup Windies 96 and 99 South Africa, England 03 come to mind.

The only player thats come close to being like Bevan is Hussey.

 

[Romeo]

Bevan just did not get cheap runs, i remember many games when he dug Australia out of a hole, World cup Windies 96 and 99 South Africa, England 03 come to mind.

The only player thats come close to being like Bevan is Hussey.

I think Hussey can play Bevan's role but with a greater propensity to find overdrive. Besides I don't think Greg Chappell will make the team yet I'd have him in a heartbeat to play that role and he's a better allround cricketer than either Bevan or Hussey.

 

[DIG]

I think Hussey can play Bevan's role but with a greater propensity to find overdrive. Besides I don't think Greg Chappell will make the team yet I'd have him in a heartbeat to play that role and he's a better allround cricketer than either Bevan or Hussey.

Bevan's a shoo-in to make the team, and deservedly so.

 

[crownie]

I think Hussey can play Bevan's role but with a greater propensity to find overdrive. Besides I don't think Greg Chappell will make the team yet I'd have him in a heartbeat to play that role and he's a better allround cricketer than either Bevan or Hussey.

were you one of the many that tore shreds off him for batting to slow in the first one dayer against New Zealand?