Player Watch #20 Sam Reid

[Kennedy Parker]

Sam Reid

Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

’s outstanding athleticism and strong contested grab make him a genuine threat inside 50. The 2012 premiership forward showed exactly that when he booted six goals in the Sydney Swans’ clash with Collingwood in Mark Grook at the SCG to win the 2019 Goodes-O’Loughlin Medal. The 2009 draftee can also play as a loose man in defence or pinch-hit in the ruck. Reid has had very little luck on the injury front in his time in red and white, but he didn’t miss an AFL match in 2019. He’s played 143 career games at the top level for a return of 154 goals.

Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

DOB: 27 December 1991
DEBUT: 2010
DRAFT: #38, 2009 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Wangaratta Rovers (Vic)/Murray U18

Sam Reid | AFL

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[Superstar swan]

Reid will win you big moments. That late mark in the 2012 GF when the Hawks were pressuring us is a case in point.

Reid and Buddy along with West Coat Josh Kennedy are the best defensive key forward in the AFL. Reid will tackle, smother, come off the line and lock the ball in.

His work as the loose man in defence late in quarters cannot be understated.

This GF may be for Reid, what the 2011 GF was for Tom Hawkins - the moment they took the next step.

With Lake on Tippett and Gibson on Franklin, this could be his time.

I was thinking the same thing re Hawkins. He is hitting contests with greater confidence, IMO it will all click soon enough. Still such a young kid at 21

 

[The King!]

I was thinking the same thing re Hawkins. He is hitting contests with greater confidence, IMO it will all click soon enough. Still such a young kid at 21

23 in december

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

23 in december

He has 2015 to convince me.

 

[The King!]

He has 2015 to convince me.

Can convince me this weekend

 

[theta]

Reid will win you big moments. That late mark in the 2012 GF when the Hawks were pressuring us is a case in point.

Reid and Buddy along with West Coat Josh Kennedy are the best defensive key forward in the AFL. Reid will tackle, smother, come off the line and lock the ball in.

His work as the loose man in defence late in quarters cannot be understated.

This GF may be for Reid, what the 2011 GF was for Tom Hawkins - the moment they took the next step.

With Lake on Tippett and Gibson on Franklin, this could be his time.

I really hope you are right, but if he does half as well as that on Saturday it'll be better than 90% of his games this year.

 

[Number37]

I really hope you are right, but if he does half as well as that on Saturday it'll be better than 90% of his games this year.

You really don't like Sammy do you.

 

[leobarryustar]

23 in december

Buddy was 21 in 2008.

 

[The King!]

Buddy was 21 in 2008.

Cool i was 25

 

[theta]

You really don't like Sammy do you.

You should go back and read my posts. I actually like Sam a lot.

Most of us are aware Reid plays a flexibility role for strategy, height, and a backup for injury (like LRT but better). This makes him incredibly valuable since such versatility makes him quite a rare commodity in the game (IMO teams would pay a lot more to have him on their lists). That said, a minority of us (Sydney supporters both here and on other forums) think despite us witnessing the strongest Sydney team to ever play the game, at times this season we have been exposed against the better teams for being too tall and not agile enough (ie - Pyke + Tall forward line, plus Reid goes missing or isn't nimble enough and Goodes has limited agility and can't turn corners due to his knees).

So if we look to where our main weakness are and how we may be exposed on the weekend, some think it is not unreasonable to assume 'top-heaviness' is in our top 3 weaknesses, possibly the main weakness when confronted with Hawthorn's small forwards, especially if his injury limits his mobility/agility.

In the unlikely event Sam is left out due fitness/strategy, any change would probably only strengthen/weaken the team by 1-2%(what we lose in defense in the air, we will gain on the ground through rebound, tackles, clearances, etc). So any discussion is really only debating whether it is better to have Reid as a flexible multi-role player and injury backup with a fair chance of low stats and minimal impact, or bring in a more agile player who would contribute 50-75% more numbers (but then lose the safety net Reid provides in case Richards/Grundy/Pyke/Goodes goes down). I keep saying this is the week you discuss this stuff. Doing so does not mean you dislike a player.

Personally I think we will be fine and have a comfortable win (first time I've ever been confident going into a GF), and I truly hope Reid kicks a bag. In fact I would prefer Reid kicks them instead of Franklin or Tippett as it will boost his confidence and make us stronger next year.

But if he's not 85% fit, and plays like he has for 3qtrs of this season, then I see him as a probable liability and a favorite to be subbed off (like mummy in 2012).

Most likely he'll spend most of his time as the spare defender and help double team Roughead/Hale with minimal time forward, then give Pyke a hand in the ruck, and in doing so be very valuable. But he'll have to lift his game if he's going to achieve this on the weekend.

I like what leobarryustar had to say on the Reid question.

He's played plenty of games this year and is kicking under a goal a game, 0.2 goal assists, 1 contested grab and one mark inside 50. 9 of his 19 games this year he has gone goalless, including hawks, geelong, port, hawks, port and our 2 finals. He goes missing in the big games and has not kicked one single goal against a top 4 team. In fact, he's only kicked 5 against the top 8!
I know stats dont tell the whole story but he's shaky in front of goal and appears to be beaten most weeks by the 3rd or 4th defender. Horse reckons his defensive game is pretty good, but he only lays 2.4 tackles (Buddy averages 3.1).
Now that he's under an injury cloud, why would we persist with him? We can push Cunningham (or even McGlynn) up the ground, bring in Mitchell (or god forbid we bring back O'Keefe into the forward line, I'm sure he would do more damage).

 

[Number37]

You should go back and read my posts. I actually like Sam a lot.

With friends like you Sammy doesn't need any enemies. Of course, your prerogative to have a view on the value of his place in the team.

 

[MF]

The other thing people need to realise is that there's only so many minutes each player can take up in the middle of the park too. Throwing Mitchell into a team already packed with inside mids really isn't going to be a huge bonus to us.

 

[S120]

Buddy was 21 in 2008.

Therein lies the problem with many of those who are unsatisfied with Reid's performance. Expectations. If you're comparing him to Franklin's progression as a tall forward and expecting something similar from Reid, you're going to be disappointed. If you're comparing him to the 2012 LRT kind of swingman role, he's doing fine. I'm in the latter. If he can become another LRT for his career, we've got a very solid player indeed and that's all I'm expecting of him.

You can argue that he is being paid to be more, but I don't even subscribe to that really. He was signed on a long term deal because young talls get signed to lucrative long term deals. They're so coveted around the competition that the Swans had to give him a secure deal to keep him or else he could have been given even more outlandish deals by rival clubs. So I hold no ill will for that.

When it comes to dropping him for this weekend, well that's just stupid. If you want to argue his position for round 1 next year, go ahead, but we have better things to contemplate right now. And Sam Reid will be part of those better things.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Structure got us here not specifically cattle. ROK would have played otherwise. As would have TMitch.

Reid has played his role & had a pretty good patch mid season when he started really rucking & playing back. Confidence is key for him.

 

[swanton]

We need Reid to be more than a role player
especially for 500k a season
Could probably get someone from the state league to do exactly what he is doing, and for 1/3 of the price

Way too many excuses made for this guy, he is 22 now, all he is, is a good play here and a rare complete game there

edit: not advocating him dropped for GF, but next yr is a different story

 

[swansfan51]

Therein lies the problem with many of those who are unsatisfied with Reid's performance. Expectations. If you're comparing him to Franklin's progression as a tall forward and expecting something similar from Reid, you're going to be disappointed. If you're comparing him to the 2012 LRT kind of swingman role, he's doing fine. I'm in the latter. If he can become another LRT for his career, we've got a very solid player indeed and that's all I'm expecting of him.

You can argue that he is being paid to be more, but I don't even subscribe to that really. He was signed on a long term deal because young talls get signed to lucrative long term deals. They're so coveted around the competition that the Swans had to give him a secure deal to keep him or else he could have been given even more outlandish deals by rival clubs. So I hold no ill will for that.

I have no idea why someone would compare him to Franklin, that's just silly. Fairer to compare him to someone like Taberner, Sinclair, McGovern or Frost. Taberner's a good comparison, 197cm mobile tall forward also holding down a spot in a top 4 side.

 

[S120]

We need Reid to be more than a role player
especially for 500k a season
Could probably get someone from the state league to do exactly what he is doing, and for 1/3 of the price

Way too many excuses made for this guy, he is 22 now, all he is, is a good play here and a rare complete game there

Do we right now though? Why can't he play the LRT role? We're favourite in a GF with him doing that so it's not like it's ****ing us up having him play that role.

 

[swanton]

Do we right now though? Why can't he play the LRT role? We're favourite in a GF with him doing that so it's not like it's ******* us up having him play that role.

Cause he is terrible at it
getting 8-10 possies a game
less than a goal a game
they dont even use him as a ruckman know

and a big LOL if u think Reid had any bearing in SYdney making a GF
FFS Spanger could do what Reid is doing
We could probably get a highly rated 18 yr from this draft who would put in the same performances that Reid is putting in this yr
Which is saying something about Reid

 

[Punts]

He did have to play a few games as 2nd ruck which might have thrown him around a little.

Tippett did say today that if fit from R1 he was going to be the 2nd ruck , so Reid was never planned to be playing the 2nd ruck role.

I just hope he fires this week , doubt he will do a 2011 Hawkins though.

 

[S120]

Cause he is terrible at it
getting 8-10 possies a game
less than a goal a game
they dont even use him as a ruckman know

and a big LOL if u think Reid had any bearing in SYdney making a GF
FFS Spanger could do what Reid is doing
We could probably get a highly rated 18 yr from this draft who would put in the same performances that Reid is putting in this yr
Which is saying something about Reid

I think every Swan who has been a regular in the side has had a bearing in making the GF.

And Matt Spangher is a good role player. That's why he's in a GF team and been on the periphery of 3 Premiership teams.

Anyway, did you not rate what LRT did in 2012 and the role he played? Because Reid is playing almost the idential role with far better players ahead of him. Check the stats.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=17&pid2=3381&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2012&fid2=S

This really is about expectations. Hope that he is LRT and you'll be content. Hope that he's Franklin or Hawkins or Roughead and you'll be disappointed.

 

[Punts]

Wether he likes playing the LRT role might be another thing

 

[swanton]

I think every Swan who has been a regular in the side has had a bearing in making the GF.

And Matt Spangher is a good role player. That's why he's in a GF team and been on the periphery of 3 Premiership teams.

Anyway, did you not rate what LRT did in 2012 and the role he played? Because Reid is playing almost the idential role with far better players ahead of him. Check the stats.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=17&pid2=3381&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2012&fid2=S

This really is about expectations. Hope that he is LRT and you'll be content. Hope that he's Franklin or Hawkins or Roughead and you'll be disappointed.

It is about expectations
Im not expecting him to be a buddy or hawkins
but i sure as hell want him to be better than a spangher, who has half the talent that Reid has, and probably playing for 200k
He is playing a dummy role on 500k, and hasnt really improved his game from 2012
Hasnt got bigger, barely seen him win a one on one body contest

After 5 yrs in the system and with his talent i expect better than spangher and LRT from Reid

 

[robbieando]

If we "were" to drop Reid for an extra midfielder all we would do is change Bird from Sub to a place in the starting 21 and then bring Towers in as the Sub. Calling for Mitchell is effectively calling for Bird to not be the Sub and play a Sub that has some spark which Mitchell doesn't have. So yeah who wants to drop Reid for Towers?

 

[Number37]

We need Reid to be more than a role player
especially for 500k a season
Could probably get someone from the state league to do exactly what he is doing, and for 1/3 of the price

Way too many excuses made for this guy, he is 22 now, all he is, is a good play here and a rare complete game there

edit: not advocating him dropped for GF, but next yr is a different story

Don't think people are making excuses. Fact is he doesn't play permanent forward. We kick to Buddy, Tippo & Goodesy when he does , and he is a confidence player. Hard to get confidence when you don't get a touch. Yes that is partly his fault, but his 'role' is not defined by getting a whole heap of the ball.

 

[swanton]

If this was directed at me, didnt u read where i said not advocating dropping reid for GF, more talking about next yr
ANyways even if we were to drop reid, that would leave us still if 3 talls, which is the norm
goodes/buddy/tippett as forwards and when tippett is rucking then move pyke into forward line
similar to 2012 structure

 

[S120]

Personally, I'm not on board with the "confidence player" thing. It's a completely meaningless label.