2004 - Our Squad

[dees_best]

Here's my honest assessment of our squad for the upcoming season.

Steven Armstrong - Expect big things from Arma in 2004. He has shown glimpses, but now he is ready to be a permanent onballer for us.
Daniel Bell - Will more than likely play somewhere between 5-15 games. Appears to have the goods, but is unproven at senior level.
Clint Bizzell - Will still be our best defender, but don't expect any improvement from last season, unless the whole side performs better.
Troy Broadbridge - Last chance to prove himself at Melb. I highly doubt he will be at the club in 05.
Nathan D. Brown - Is one of Daniher's favourites. I don't rate him too highly, as he turns over the ball to much and is too unaccountable for a defender.
Cameron Bruce - This will be the year that Bruce finds a role he is idealy suited to. IMO he should play in the midfield as much as possible.
Joel Campbell - Don't expect any senior games from Campbell. He will develop at Sandy for a season.
Nathan Carroll - Make or break year for Carroll. He is fighting for the FB spot with Lamb and Nicholson. IMO only two will remain at the club by 05. Carroll is my favourite out of the 3, but lacks height. Sadly, I think he may be the one to go.
Dale Carson - Further development at Sandy appears evident.
Aaron Davey - A bit of a surprise as he may not play a game all year or he might play 15-18 games. I expect the latter if he performs well in Wizard Cup.
Ryan Ferguson - Has a lot of ability, lacks a body. IMO Fergy will struggle in 04 as he hasn't bulked up.
Simon Godfrey - Will improve even more. One of my favourites at Melbourne due to his persistance and work ethic. Just needs to work on footy skills.
Adam Fisher - Looks a good prospect. Don't expect him to play many games, if any due to our current group of onballers.
Brad Green - Has to prove himself as a consistant forward. I do not see a future for Green in the midfield as he is too soft and slow.
Chris Heffernan - Will perform a lot better in 04, mainly due to having settled into the club and the opportunity to play a more attacking role.
Ben Holland - Could be a great pickup, a handy pickup or a dud pickup. IMO he will be the first option because he can be used to help us out in defence when we play bigger sides like Brisbane,Richmond and Collingwood, or up forward against weaker sides. I don't think he will play CHF as that will belong to Miller or Smith.
Cameron Hunter - I don't expect him to play much this year. Needs to work on decision making skills and bulk up.
Mark Jamar - Will get limited opportunities unless one of White and Jolly gets injured.
Chris Johnson - Won't play in 04, unless our forwards get struck by injuries.
Travis Johnstone - Expect a huge season from Trapper. IMO he will be up with the best midfeilders in the league this season. If not, then he will be traded away while he's still of some market value.
Darren Jolly - IMO will continue to come on with leaps and bounds.
Chris Lamb - In the same boat as Carroll and Nicholson. Lamb is more an old fashioned type FB than the other two.
James McDonald - Will struggle to get a game in our midfield. Great work ethic, but not enough skills or speed.
Brock McLean - Will play 5-10 games in a season that will be looked back on as a learning curve.
Brad Miller - IMO will become one of the top 5 CHF's in the league. If not, then he might be better suited to CHB. Has been killing it in pre season so far.
Luke Molan - Will have to try and get back up the pecking order. This will be difficult as he wont be ready until the mid year break. Miller,Smith,Lamb,Carroll,Ferguson,Carson and Rivers are all ahead of him.
David Neitz - Expect another good year from the skipper. Could win Coleman for 2nd time if midfield is on song.
Alistair Nicholson - See Carroll and Lamb. Nicho's advantage is his height and experience over the other two. My least favourite, but I still don't have a problem with him at FB.
Paul Newman - Will take the VFL by storm, slotting straight into Lachy Oakley's position at Sandy.
Phil Read - Will be a handy pcikup, adding much needed grunt and experience into midfield/defence.
Guy Rigoni - Over the hill. Should have retired in 2003.
Jared Rivers - Could play around 10 games. From what I've seen at VFL level, I've liked, but when played at AFL level, he looked lost.
Russell Robertson - Expect another good season. Won't do as well due to the arrival of Miller at CHF.
Nick Smith - Needs to improve mobility. If that is done, I see him getting a game as our 3rd tall forward. Reminds me a lot of a young Stewart Loewe and Wayne Carey.
Colin Sylvia - Will play at least 15 games on a forward or onball position. My tip for the Rising Star award.
Scott Thompson - See Armstrong. A lot to like about Thommo, strength,ball winning ability,aggression,reads play exremely well and is a good user of the ball.
Peter Vardy - Last chance. I fear he won't get back to his 2002 form.
Peter Walsh - Should have been delisted. Enough said.
Daniel Ward - Will be one of our more consistant players. Good aggression abnd attacks the ball well.
Paul Wheatley - Last chance. Needs to find a position to play at.
Matthew Whelan - Want's to play midfield. I believe he's of best value on a back pocket. One of my favourite players. His strength is badly needed in defence.
Jeff White - Needs to re-establish himself as one of the premier ruckman in the AFL. His reputation was dented in 2003. Expect him to play up forward more often.
Luke Williams - How he's still on our list amazes me. Should be a Sandringham player all season in 04, barring injuries.
Adem Yze - An injury free season will see Ooze back to his best. At the peak of his career.

PREDICTED FINISH- 7th( although we could finish somewhere from 3rd to 12th IMO )

Thoughts?

 

[lamby29]

Good effort.

I'll give it a go:

Steven Armstrong - Arma is due for a great year in the middle. He is one of the most talented youngsters in the league and I expect him to play every game in 2004.
Daniel Bell - He will surprise plenty. If he can avoid injury he will be a very good weapon off the bench. Will add grunt and speed to the midfield. 10-15 games.
Clint Bizzell - I expect another excellent year from the Biz.
Troy Broadbridge - Don't rate him at all, but Daniher does. Will be interesting to see what happens to Broady this year, as he is definitely on his last chance.
Nathan D. Brown - Don't rate him, but Browny will probably be a regular senior player in 2004... ND loves him. I wouldn't play him to be honest.
Cameron Bruce - I love Brucey, and reckon he is set for a massive 2004. Will probably play on a Wing and I wouldn't rule out AA selection.
Joel Campbell - Will play at Sandy for the entire year. He is a good prospect.
Nathan Carroll - I like Carroll, but he will be on the fringe with Lamb and Ferguson. 5-10 games.
Dale Carson - Will spend a year at Sandy. I don't think he will make it.
Aaron Davey - Davey is a gun, and will see plenty of senior action this year. One to watch in the Wizard Cup, as he is an excitement machine.
Ryan Ferguson - Similar to Carroll. 5-10 games.
Simon Godfrey - With all due respect to Godders... if he plays regular senior footy this year, we're in trouble. A good tagger, tough, but not good enough to lead a midfield.
Adam Fisher - A promotion isn't out of the question. I'm tipping him to play 3 games for the year.
Brad Green - 2004 is Green's year. He has been disappointing to date but I reckon he can turn it on in the midfield. A make or break year.
Chris Heffernan - I expect another solid year from our gun recruit.
Ben Holland - He is no star but I think he will be a very important player for us this year. Will add size and strength to our defence and can play forward if required.
Cameron Hunter - A development year for the talented youngster. 3-5 games.
Mark Jamar - Will get limited opportunities unless one of White and Jolly gets injured. 3-5 games.
Chris Johnson - Won't play any senior footy this year. A long term prospect.
Travis Johnstone - Will win the B&F. A huge year from TJ looks likely. We all know how talented he is...
Darren Jolly - Will play the majority of games in the seniors, but is still another year away from becoming our number 1 ruckman.

More soon...

 

[BT]

Top stuff lads, I'll post mine later.

 

[StingaArmstrong]

Yes top quality effort that lads. I might have to have a crack.

Steven Armstrong - Well I think this has got the goods and with a full preseason will step up in the midfield. A future leader and very good player.
Daniel Bell - Havent seen much of him, but i hear good raps. I'd expect him to play around 5 games later in the season. Needs more development.
Clint Bizzell - Top quality and just about the heart and soul of Melbourne at the moment. Another solid year expected with some games up forward.
Troy Broadbridge - Last chance, and I really don't want to see him on the list at all next year.
Nathan D Brown - Good gutsy player but ordinary skills. Sets up play well from the backline.
Cameron Bruce - Top quality player, but skills let him down occasionally last year. Must improve this to become one of the comp's best. Maybe a return to the run with style will improve his game again.
Joel Cambell - Good raps again, but will develop at Sandy.
Nathan Caroll - Don't rate him that much, I prefer Lamb.
Dale Carson - Not much.
Aaron Davey - Will either be very good or very ordinary. I hope the former. A few games at the least.
Ryan Ferguson - Rate him highly and should play where Holland doesn't, ie Holland back, Ferguson forward and vice versa.
Simon Godfrey - Tough player but very ordinary skills, these must improve for him to stay in the team.
Adam Fisher - I see this guy taking Godfrey's place on the list eventually. Rate him highly and should get a few games.
Brad Green - Make or break year i feel, but i see a move to the wing or half back as beneficial to team and player.
Chris Heffernan - Struggled to make a huge impact but was serviceable in most games. Must get more of the pill to be of use.
Ben Holland - A good pickup that will let our young talls develop more. Probably better forward than back, but should interchange with Ferguson.
Cameron Hunter - The kid needs a serious protein diet to bulk up otherwise he gone.
Mark Jamar - Unfortunately for the Big Russian, he may not play too many games if White and Jolly are fully fit. Can play though.
Chris Johnson - Won't be seen until 2005.
Travis Johnstone - Will win Brownlow Medal.
Darren Jolly - Very good and will challenge White for the top billing, must improve around the ground.
James McDonald - Should still have a role in the senior team as has courage and guts with reasonable skills.
Brock McLean - Could play lots, could play little. I go with lots.
Brad Miller - Memo to ND...leave Miller at CHF, he is not a backman. Should go very well this year and take pressure off Robbo.
Luke Molan - Glad we kept him and he can play. I hope the injury curse has rubbed off.
David Neitz - Not much can be said but with some good service could well kick 80-100.
Alistair Nicholson - Poor skills, but good reliable defender and even ruck back up if required.
Paul Newman - Don't know much, but have fun at Sandy.
Phil Read - Handy pick up but will be fighting for a spot with Walsh, Ward, Rigoni, Godfrey and McDonald.
Guy Rigoni - Still has a little left i think.
Jared Rivers - Will still develop but wont play more than 10 games
Russell Robertson - Lets back it up now Robbo
Nick Smith - Will play if Holland and or Miller struggle. Can play ruck as well, which is handy. Good strong mark, but the best will come in 2005.
Colin Sylivia - Massive raps but don't expect too much too soon. Hopefully is given some time to develop but should play over 10 games.
Scott Thompson - Time for this kid to deliver, can seriously play and along with Armstrong should play in the midfield lots.
Peter Vardy - Hopefully he gets fully fit as he is the difference to our forward line. I'm tipping 30 to 40 goal haul.
Peter Walsh - Is reasonable value but may struggle a bit this year.
Daniel Ward - See walsh.
Paul Wheatley - Will struggle to stay on list but can play.
Matthew Whelan - Very good back pocket and may play more in midfield. Similar to Read so may interchange.
Jeff White - Time to lift Jeff. I predict a massive year and hopefully he starts taking more marks around the ground like he used to.
Luke Williams - Be gone you peon, you suck.
Adem Yze - Gun.

 

[lamby29]

continued...

Chris Lamb - I love Lamby but Danners obviously doesn't. He would be my first choice at FB but ND won't play him.
James McDonald - Average player who had a a very good 2003. With a few new arrivals in the midfield, J Mac might struggle to get a game.
Brock McLean - Brock will be great. I reckon he can play 15-20 games and really have an impact. Will add depth and class to our midfield. Might go close to winning the Rising Star award.
Brad Miller - 2004 will be an interesting year for Miller. Hopefully he can hold down CHF but he might not be up to doing that for the entire season. One to watch, as he is a future champion. 15 games.
Luke Molan - He is out until Rd 10, and will then spend the rest of the year regaining confidence. We must be patient.
David Neitz - A solid, 60-70 goal year for Neitz looks likely.
Alistair Nicholson - I wouldn't play him, but he will probably be our first choice FB. I just can't see him and Holland (who is more classy) playing in the same defence. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Paul Newman - Development year at Sandy.
Phil Read - Will probably slot straight into the senior side.
Guy Rigoni - Rigoni will be the surprise packet of 2004. He is the best kick at the club and knows how to find the footy. He'll play plenty of senior games and show us all he still has it! 18 games.
Jared Rivers - Probably another year at Sandy. He is an exciting prospect but I feel 2005 will be his year. 6 games.
Russell Robertson - Robbo will be decent, but down on his 2003 form. I'm a bit worried he will get a big head and return to his 'show pony' best. I hope not.
Nick Smith - A very good prospect who will push for senior selection next year. Like Rivers, I reckon 2005 will be the year Smith explodes.
Colin Sylvia - Well... he is the greatest, but his OP may restrict him early on. Expect him to start slowly but really hit the straps towards the end of the year. 14 games.
Scott Thompson - I hope Thommo succeeds this year. He is very popular amongst Demon fans, but a poor year might see him return to Adelaide.
Peter Vardy - Getting on in years, but valuable when fit. Hopefully he can return to his 2002 form, where he was very good. Might be on his last chance.
Peter Walsh - Crap, crap, crap. If he gets a game next year, we are in real trouble.
Daniel Ward - Average. Will play a few games this year but could find himself out of the senior side a fair bit (like Walsh in 2003).
Paul Wheatley - Talented, extremely soft. Needs to toughen up to get close to senior action. Might surprise, but a poor 2004 will end Wheatley's career at Melbourne for sure.
Matthew Whelan - A bit overrated, but wasted down back. Hopefully he bounces back this year.
Jeff White - A star when fit, I expect the Whiteman to explode this year, and hopefully lead us into the finals.
Luke Williams - Worst player on the list. VFL player at best.
Adem Yze - A superstar when firing, Yze is certain to bounce back this year.

PREDICTED FINISH- 8th

 

[BT]

Steven Armstrong - Exciting player, who's got a long way to go yet. He needs to work on his strength & kicking penetration if he wants to be a midfielder.

Daniel Bell - Don't know enough about Belly so I won't guess.

Clint Bizzell - Hopefully he can play a more attacking role this season. Not just as a backman but as a forward too if the situation warrants it.

Troy Broadbridge - I like Broady, he's unique. For his height he has amazing speed. Needs to bulk up & stay fit.

Nathan D. Brown - I'm a big fan of doggy, I reckon he's always having a go no matter how far down we are. Doesn't always pick the right option but he's is forever providing one with his run.

Cameron Bruce - Bruuuuuuuuuuuce! What can one say about Cam? He's very important to us, almost the barometer. When he plays well so do we usually. He does a lot of work that goes unnoticed. Leave him in midfield, opposition teams don't know how to handle him there.

Joel Campbell - Joel Who? He sounds an interesting prospect, it'll be good to track his development.

Nathan Carroll - Not sure about Mullett. Played some great negating roles but was shown up badly on a few occasions. Big year for Nath.

Dale Carson - I have my doubts. He kicked a few goals in the VFL reserves, but the standard there is very poor. He struggled at Sandingham seniors. He needs to work hard on his game.

Aaron Davey - Not quite the crumber goal sneak I thought he was, more a wingman flanker where he's able to burn his opponents off with his pace. He needs a lot of work to cut it at AFL level, he's an excitement machine.

Ryan Ferguson - Not a bad first year from Fergy. He was thrown in at the deep end & handled himself well. He can play back, forward or in ruck. He too needs time & development. His shoulder injury might hold him back this season.

Simon Godfrey - Simply love watching this bloke play! ALWAYS has a go & unsettles his opponents often. He really needs to work on his skills but he has the right attitude.

Adam Fisher - A bit of a cult hero at Sandy. He's hard at it but needs to continue with his development. His pace is questionable.

Brad Green - Has the skill, needs to impose himself more. It's up to him now.

Chris Heffernan - Played a few blinders but went missing a fair bit. He showed he can be damaging. Hopefully he's adjusted to MFC life now & can lift his rating this year.

Ben Holland - Now too slow for CHB IMO. I can see us using him in defence on the goal line at best. The bloke can take a grab so he might be a FWD pocket option.

Cameron Hunter - Nothing wrong with his attack on the ball. He needs to develop physically. He's a smart player but will need an impressive pre-season to break into the seniors early on. He'll get his chances again this year & will be better for the run.

Mark Jamar - The Leaping Dutchman . This bloke can ruck, no doubt about that. He has good hands & knows to dish off to palyers more qualified to deliver the ball. He struggles to get back & help out the defence, as he rarely makes the contest. 3rd in line at this stage.

Chris Johnson - Son of a gun! Chris is a different type to Johnno however. He's still growing & is unlikely to have an impact early on. He needs to put his injuries behind him now & get his head down.

Travis Johnstone - Frustrating! He's had some shocking luck so far however he has let himself down too. Undoubted class, makes it look easy some days. One of the keys to our sucess.

Darren Jolly - Big Jol! Has impressed me with his continued development. Good up forward & in the ruck, give him his head & watch him soar.

Chris Lamb - This bloke is a good Full Back. There might not be a spot for him in the seniors, however we all know he can do the job there when required.

James McDonald - Hard worker who lacks polish. Apart from maybe Godders & Brown, nobody works harder than this guy. Wins a lot of hard ball, invaluable to our 18.

Brock McLean - With a full pre- season, I think Brock can have an early impact. His attitude is excellent & tough as nails. We need him to win us some ball.

Brad Miller - Must start at CHF. I think he gets lost in defence a bit. He dishes off very well & brings other forwards into it. Might be a Full Forward one day I reckon.

Luke Molan - The kid needs some luck! Can play both ends & is never intimidated. Showed a bit at Sandy but he could do more at that level I reckon.

David Neitz - Probably a full time FF now. He leads the team quite well on the field. He needs a good start as he's a confidence player. I think he works well with Vardy & will be glad to see him back.

Alistair Nicholson - The only defender we have with the sufficient strength to play on the big forwards. He like Neitz is probably a one position player now.

Paul Newman - Love his spaghetti sauce . Our big bush recruit, ha apparently has sticky hands. He could play seniors this season.

Phil Read - I'm sceptical about Phil. When fit he's a handy player, however I don't see him improving us that much. I hope he gets the opportunities otherwise he could be the new Gary Moorcroft.

Guy Rigoni - Played some blinders last season. He worked very hard to get back & when fit is in our best 22. The impressive thing for mine was that he finished the season very strongly, a sign that his injuries are behind him.

Jared Rivers - Jared is an interesting one. I find him a bit inconsistent. With a bit of work he could turn into a solid player.

Russell Robertson - Had a great 2003. For us to improve Robbo might have to play a lesser role. Give him a flank & let him use his leap & unpredictibility. Ideally we need him to work harder for his other forwards.

Nick Smith - He's just a tad slow for mine & drifts out of games a bit. Has deadset buckets for hands & if he can work on the things I mentioned & becomes a target for our Midfield, he could do
anything.

Colin Sylvia - I'm impressed by Col's physique & style of play. His OP might hold him back a little this season, however I think he has what it takes to make an impact this season. Could be a forward pocket option early on.

Scott Thompson - Needs to get more gound time. His attack on the footy is good. He also needs to stay fit.
Peter Vardy - Vards might just be back, he's having a good pre-season. The guy has the talent we just have to keep him on the park.

Peter Walsh - Whoppa could be used as a forward this season as he sems to be 9th in line for a hbf spot. He can be dangerous around goal, don't write him off yet!

Daniel Ward - Love the way he goes about it. He keeps it pretty simple. A quick burst of speed followed by a booming kick.

Paul Wheatley - At his best he can be very damaging as he's quite quick & kicks it into next week. Needs a strong start.

Matthew Whelan - Overrated IMO. Struggles in 1 on 1 contests near goal & finds it hard to provide sufficient drive from so deep in defence. He like seemingly 20 others is most damaging from a half back flank. He's ok as a defensive midfielder but his kicking isn't very penetrating. He's a good tackler, I'd like to see him up forward.

Jeff White - Plays in pain every week & still has an awesome leap.
He does a better job of helping out the defence than Jol & Jamar, however this leaves him too deep to be an attacking option. I like to see him be allowed to be more attacking.

Luke Williams - Willo did ok on a HBF this season. He struggled as a forward earlier in his career. He needs to take the first option more often. He needs to improve his game further to remain on the list I reckon.

Adem Yze - Our barometer. When he fires so do we. Can be used just about anywhere. His kicking is usually exquisite, we need himat top form if we're to be a threat to the 8.

6th to 16th.

 

[The Shev]

Interesting read. We need our guns to stay on the field and play well consistantly, and also needs some young guns to fire. Be optimistic, it will be a good year. We have a talented list and hopefully it begins to pay off.

 

[footyman]

Originally posted by lamby29

Chris Lamb - I love Lamby

Geez there's a shock lamby29, I wouldn't have guessed!

Originally posted by lamby29

FINISH- 8th
]

The supreme optimist, do you really think we can finish 8th? I reckon 14th is closer to the mark. With a weak list and a crap coach I think Melbourne will struggle again, not to mention the disaster that is Sunday football. Will we win any Sunday games?

Hopefully some of the recruits from the last year or two can step up cos that will be the most exciting thing to watch in this season. Certainly the people who have posted comments above expect big things from Colin Sylvia and Brock McLean, I hope they're right

Seriously, its a good effort to go through the list like that fellas, well done. Not an easy task.

 

[Palace03]

Sorry Dees fans too many passengers, not enough quality players to take the club back to the top. Second worst list going into 2004, marginally better than Carlton

 

[Demonheart]

Originally posted by Palace03
Sorry Dees fans too many passengers, not enough quality players to take the club back to the top. Second worst list going into 2004, marginally better than Carlton

That's really funny coming from a Bulldogs supporter, considering the fact you've had one of the worst season's in your clubs history and you just lost your best player. But you may be right, afterall you'd have a lot of practice with having the worst list in the competition, something the bulldogs have had a monopoly on for the last forty years.

 

[BT]

Originally posted by Demonheart
That's really funny coming from a Bulldogs supporter, considering the fact you've had one of the worst season's in your clubs history and you just lost your best player. But you may be right, afterall you'd have a lot of practice with having the worst list in the competition, something the bulldogs have had a monopoly on for the last forty years.

Nah he's entitled to his opinion. However I do think he has a bit of an agenda here. By crapping on our list I think he thinks theirs will look better, when it quite simply doesn't.

He's entitled to analyse our list just like everyone else.

 

[Demonheart]

Originally posted by BT
Nah he's entitled to his opinion. However I do think he has a bit of an agenda here. By crapping on our list I think he thinks theirs will look better, when it quite simply doesn't.

He's entitled to analyse our list just like everyone else.

BT I'm really dissapointed in you, we had the makings of a good arguement and debate and you had to ruin it with commonsense and logic. Sheesh

 

[BT]

Originally posted by Demonheart
BT I'm really dissapointed in you, we had the makings of a good arguement and debate and you had to ruin it with commonsense and logic. Sheesh

Oh all right, if he comes back I'll let you lot play with him.

 

[ROCK22]

The list lacks quality hard in and under players who can actually deliver accurately to the forwards.

If they have a remarkable season they shouldn't really finish any higher than 8th and probably be eliminated in the first round. This being said, the likelihood of such a great season with that list is slim.

If i was a Dees fan, i would be happy to finish 10th


P.S. Dont expect much from Ben Holland, he's a dud and soft!

 

[BT]

Originally posted by ROCK22



P.S. Dont expect much from Ben Holland, he's a dud and soft!

And only slightly less injury prone than his brother.

 

[The Shev]

I don't see the need of other supporters coming in here and telling us what to expect from our team, because quite frankly us Demon supporters know better than most of you. We get written off constantly only for the team to bounce back and have a fine year. 2004 could very well be the same. Our list IS good enough to make the finals, no doubt about it.

 

[BT]

Originally posted by The Shev
I don't see the need of other supporters coming in here and telling us what to expect from our team, because quite frankly us Demon supporters know better than most of you. We get written off constantly only for the team to bounce back and have a fine year. 2004 could very well be the same. Our list IS good enough to make the finals, no doubt about it.

Let 'em write us off! They're doing us a favour.

 

[keano]

Originally posted by The Shev
I don't see the need of other supporters coming in here and telling us what to expect from our team, because quite frankly us Demon supporters know better than most of you. We get written off constantly only for the team to bounce back and have a fine year. 2004 could very well be the same. Our list IS good enough to make the finals, no doubt about it.

Quite frankly, in many respects supporters from other clubs know better than Demons supporters where MFC is at because we are able to look at it from an unbiased P.O.V. (unless we have some deep seeded hate for your club). It's not like there is some X factor being hidden that only Demons supporters know about and thus gives only them reason for optimism. Sure the Dees might be capable of bouncing back in '04, but to a neutral observer they are unlikely to make the 8. Why should someone with such an opinion be shouted down and lectured by the likes of you just because they don't believe in miracles.

And btw, ALL 16 teams have lists good enough to make the finals, no doubt about it! Every club can say "if so and so has a good year, or if our midfield stays injury free" or whatever. Melbourne's list isn't much better (if at all) than that of the WB or Carlton. (I assume that's who you would be comparing to)

 

[BT]

Originally posted by keano
Quite frankly, in many respects supporters from other clubs know better than Demons supporters where MFC is at because we are able to look at it from an unbiased P.O.V. (unless we have some deep seeded hate for your club). It's not like there is some X factor being hidden that only Demons supporters know about and thus gives only them reason for optimism. Sure the Dees might be capable of bouncing back in '04, but to a neutral observer they are unlikely to make the 8. Why should someone with such an opinion be shouted down and lectured by the likes of you just because they don't believe in miracles.

And btw, ALL 16 teams have lists good enough to make the finals, no doubt about it! Every club can say "if so and so has a good year, or if our midfield stays injury free" or whatever. Melbourne's list isn't much better (if at all) than that of the WB or Carlton. (I assume that's who you would be comparing to)

I get what you mean about opposition fans having an unbiased opinion on our list, but I do think this is often balanced out by a lack of knowledge.

Then you end up with some pretty uninformed comment. I for one think that opposition supporters are usually a fair way off the mark with us. Who can blame them? They see us live 2 games a season at best & few times on T.V. Add in a few news reports. They're entitiled to their opinion but we're entitled to think that they're idiots .

 

[The Shev]

Originally posted by BT
I get what you mean about opposition fans having an unbiased opinion on our list, but I do think this is often balanced out by a lack of knowledge.

Then you end up with some pretty uninformed comment. I for one think that opposition supporters are usually a fair way off the mark with us. Who can blame them? They see us live 2 games a season at best & few times on T.V. Add in a few news reports. They're entitiled to their opinion but we're entitled to think that they're idiots .

Exactly, opposition supporters are un-biased compared to us (when it comes to all things MFC), but how many games do you actually see compared to us? Most MFC supporters would see all our matches and therefore have a good knowledge of each players abilities. Opposition supporters are likely to see about 5 matches at most (with the exception of some fans who would see more than that) and generally agree with what the newspapers say.

I wasn't having a go at anyone commenting on us, but as I've said before in this forum, I'm not going to listen to other people's opinions when it comes to my team.

 

[Demonheart]

Originally posted by BT
And only slightly less injury prone than his brother.

That's the spirit!!

One of the reason's I spend more time at bigfooty than other sites like www.demonland or demonology is that here you can get the view and opinions of other supporters. Granted that sometime you have to wade through alot of crap but on only single club sites the thinking can be a little narrow. For example lockyer (something like that) just posted what I think is a very accurate description of our team on the main afl board. One thing I have discovered in life is that no one is absolutely right, we all view things differently from our own perspective, its the way you put forward your ideas is important

It's also more fun to play with a bulldog or roos supporter, easier yes, but more fun.

 

[BT]

Originally posted by Demonheart
That's the spirit!!

One of the reason's I spend more time at bigfooty than other sites like www.demonland or demonology is that here you can get the view and opinions of other supporters. Granted that sometime you have to wade through alot of crap but on only single club sites the thinking can be a little narrow. For example lockyer (something like that) just posted what I think is a very accurate description of our team on the main afl board. One thing I have discovered in life is that no one is absolutely right, we all view things differently from our own perspective, its the way you put forward your ideas is important

It's also more fun to play with a bulldog or roos supporter, easier yes, but more fun.

Damn straight, it's open slather here.

Go to the Flame if you want everyone to agree with you, .

 

[keano]

what you guys are saying is fair enough.
just for the record, one of my mates is a demons fan and i tag along with him quite often so i do see a fair amount of the demons' games live.

 

[The Shev]

Originally posted by keano
what you guys are saying is fair enough.
just for the record, one of my mates is a demons fan and i tag along with him quite often so i do see a fair amount of the demons' games live.

Then what are you waiting for? Buy a membership.

 

[BT]

Originally posted by keano
what you guys are saying is fair enough.
just for the record, one of my mates is a demons fan and i tag along with him quite often so i do see a fair amount of the demons' games live.

Well then you'd be fair way ahead of most of our visitors then!