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2007 draftees

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Bradesmaen said:
Harvs reckons we need the experience, not nessicarily the young kids.. he wanted 3 mids from 1-40.
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Harvs said that Johnson had the times of a 25yo and he WASNT finished yet? Make what you want of that.

Palmers a fantastic get, Hinkely abit of a roughie - like his speed, disposal seems open to debate. Mayne sounds good, but a forward? Bradley is worth a punt.

So Palmer and Hinckly middies. Johnson a mid or fwd pocket? Maynes a forward apparently. I would have preferred another young mid.
 
inferno66 said:
Not always.. for example we picked up Michael Johnson in the PSD.
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i might be wrong here, but didnt we use all our picks in 2003 and then delist somebody after the draft (second list lodgment)so we could get johnson in the PSD?

we passed on our last pick which leads me too believe we are targeting someone who nominated for the PSD only
 
I just posted this on main board, but nonetheless:


Mark Harvey on SEN said:

- They felt draft quality after pick 40 thin
- Sat down with Johnson and times and measures better now at 29 that when he was 25.
- Bradley played out of position. If he can get right position his confidence with grow and get momentum


I for one think Bradley will be very good, geez he is 199cm and athletic and can take a mark...
 

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chook2734 said:
I think you've pretty much answered the question of why Johnson got picked instead of a youngun - it is a lottery and when you look at the 3 that were dropped off the list this year (Collard, Mourish & Dunn), it would be pointless to just take some skinny kid who may never make it to replace them. With Johnson, Harvey knows what he is getting - someone who can make a meaningful contribution to the team now.

There are 4 or 5 rookie spots available - that is where we should be taking a punt on young guys who may or may not have what it takes. It's the best way to manage a list. If we are looking at ruckmen (which surely we must) the rookie list is the best place for them - most are not capable of playing AFL until they've had 3-4 years on a list - why waste a spot on someone who can't contribute?
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Well said chook :thumbsu:
 
I just want to re-post this from yesterday on afl.com.au:

Crucial draft day for Dockers

FREMANTLE will be looking to secure their future - and repair their drafting reputation.....

Okay - we did alright with 3 x 18-19 year olds... and Kep (at age 22) with pick 74 was worth the gamble.... But I'm not sure we did ourselves any favours with Johnson... seriously. I just don't get it. That has soured for me what would have been a very good day for Freo.

What of:

Dave GOURDIS (24/03/89) 192/89
Gourdis is the x-factor of the 2007 draft, both in terms of his ability and where he could end up. His athletic capabilities are undoubted, his time of 2.83 for the 20m is outstanding for a midfielder, let alone a key position player. Some believe he could go top 10, others say he could slide out to the 20s. Being top-age, history indicates he will slide somewhat but his draft camp results may make him an exception to this trend. Gourdis has attracted the interest of the Swans and Crows so its conceivable he could go earlier in the first round. (written by TOA - top 20)

Gourdis is the best key position player in the draft and certainly the best tall forward prospect. Dogs remain desperate for a marking option and Gourdis' style which is as a hit-up CHF like Tarrant will probably sit well with a team that likes to run. Gourdis is quick off the mark and has a huge motor. He is well built and an improving and long kick. He is a safe selection because even if flops up front he has a long career down back. That pace off the mark is the key. Lets him get separation on backmen, and gives him closing speed when he is defending. Unlike a few of the other touted bigmen he can actually kick a goal and finish-off his good play, but isn’t a selfish forward. Will coach-up well. (written by weaver - top 10)


Steven GAERTNER (02/01/90) 198/85
Gaertner is X-factor personified. Bottom-age, seriously quick, very tall and extremely agile, he could be something very special. He could go anywhere from pick 5 to 40, the one thing holding him back is his kicking, and it will be the club who is surest they can correct this flaw that will take him. (TOA - top 20)

Awe-dropping athlete who is a freakish specimen combing huge height with acceleration and running ability. He will go higher than many think, but it will be a gamble for the club that blinks first. His ball-drop is dodgy leading to bad kicking when rushed - he needs time to steady and compensate. He has his Forrest Gump moments when he runs and runs and runs and forgets what he is doing. The very definition of an enormous raw talent who need to be harnessed. Ross Lyon will surely be tempted by the nearest thing to Goodes he will see in his Saints career. There is a lot of a young Fraser Gehrig about Gaertner, those who remember the hair-thinning trauma of watching an Eagles-era Gehrig's learning curve will have seen into Gaertner's future. Even as a 200-game vet, he will be capable of a Richo moment. (weaver - top 10)


Patrick McGINNITY (18/02/89) 184/78
McGinnity is a top-age strong bodied midfielder who goes very hard it at. His effort tagging Cotchin at the championships put his name under the spotlight and his WAFL form following that successful effort would have really put recruiters on notice. He has attracted interest from Essendon and Richmond but they don’t seem to have picks suitable to get him. (TOA - 2nd round)

Sterling effort as a tagger for WA. In a side that was free-wheeling and breathtaking his stopping jobs might have been missed by some. Dean Polo rode a similar selfless carnival into the top-20 in a stronger draft, so wouldn’t surprise to see McGinnity singled out as the sort of team-man that coaches love and recruiters wish they could recruit more of. That said got to play on some real snails so he might have gotten a little lucky. (weaver - 3rd round)



James MULLIGAN (14/06/1989) 201/96
Very talented and athletic ruckman/forward with a big kick who needs to put it all together. His 20m time could see him rise up the rankings considerably on draft day. (TOA - 3rd round)

Mulligan might be a ruckman. He is 201cm+ and most comfortable at CHB. A club that could teach Pendlebury to kick and Goldsack to play could get a huge return on an investment in Mulligan. Mulligan has a 65m hoof on him, can play short. He needs to toughen up and bulk up and be convinced that he should be a ruckman. Would be a long-term project and will cause some blushes in the crowd as he avoids contests for a while, but could really be the mid-round bargain of the draft in time. A guy his size needs to play body-on-body not take running jumps at blokes. (weaver - 2nd round)


Ash Hockey
These clutch of picks with the non-Vic clubs could make a mockery of the mocks. If Port or the Crows have a local in mind they'll get them here. Hockey is the best performed of the country midfielders. He was capable last season on a flank, would have had his name ringed in pencil. Was the most consistent of a widely inconsistent bunch of Bushie mids. Hockey's kicking skills elevate him above the crowd. He gets the ball about as much as 30 other rovers, but he hits targets more often than not, which is a rarer ability than you might think. (Weaver - 33)



Tom Bellchambers
Sensing a run on ruckmen the Dogs will pounce to get some height into their ruck ranks. Peter Street's glacial apprenticeship obscures the fact that he is edging 28. Minson seems to be on the nose with the Dogs selection committee. Even then they are thin at the bounce. Bellchambers is a tap ruckman who needs to get better around the ground. He can go forward and snag a goal which, like the Tigers, will appeal to the Dogs who will think they are double-dipping to address two needs. Clayton might want someone more mobile and better around the ground, but in this draft Putt was pinched. Personally I prefer others including Renton but will go with the consensus that says Bellchambers is the business. (weaver - top 20)




now I know these guys don't know everything... but they do watch a lot of under-age footy, and weaver is the drafting guru of BF.




I guess I just can't believe we picked up Johnson with pick 55, when this apparent "young talent" was still there.... and we need a ruckman.... :(
 
Rookie lists are more appropriate for ruckmen these days IP, because unless they are Kreuzer like then they are always going to take 2 years to develop, so its more of a "Waste of space" per say on the 40 squad list, when we can give em 2 years like Sandi then upgrade them.
 
I think all this crying over Mark Johnsons a touch uncalled for, the man is a tough little nugget and Harvey would never have got him if he didnt fell he couldnt bring the goods. I think he could be a good source of inspiration and the man will surely play like its his last game every game, something a few of our boys could learn from.

Oh yeah, happy with Palmer too, **** hot!
 
Patrick McGINNITY (18/02/89) 184/78
McGinnity is a top-age strong bodied midfielder who goes very hard it at. His effort tagging Cotchin at the championships put his name under the spotlight and his WAFL form following that successful effort would have really put recruiters on notice. He has attracted interest from Essendon and Richmond but they don’t seem to have picks suitable to get him. (TOA - 2nd round)

Sterling effort as a tagger for WA. In a side that was free-wheeling and breathtaking his stopping jobs might have been missed by some. Dean Polo rode a similar selfless carnival into the top-20 in a stronger draft, so wouldn’t surprise to see McGinnity singled out as the sort of team-man that coaches love and recruiters wish they could recruit more of. That said got to play on some real snails so he might have gotten a little lucky. (weaver - 3rd round)
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Ideal replacement for Matty Carr, I would've thought
 
Bradesmaen said:
Rookie lists are more appropriate for ruckmen these days IP, because unless they are Kreuzer like then they are always going to take 2 years to develop, so its more of a "Waste of space" per say on the 40 squad list, when we can give em 2 years like Sandi then upgrade them.
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You're right... I'm calming down now.... ;)


I'd like to see us get McGinnity still, and look at someone like Griffiths for our "mature-aged" rookie, plus get another young ruck like Bellchambers or Mulligan to develop....


Depending on what happens with our 3 delistees... I'd be happy enough to move on from them if we can afford to pay them out and stay under the TPP.
 
Well we have Pick 7 in the rookie draft so surely one of those four (including Arrowsmith) might be available and probably will since other teams ahead don't need ruckmen. Griffitsh could be that PSD pick since Collingwood were trialing and we are infront.
 

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Maybe I'm thinking of the song 'Always look on the bright side of life' too much but I'm quite happy.

Stoked about Palmer. Remember generally if you get one outstanding player from a draft you're seen to have done well

And while Johnson is a strange one he's obviously still got something to offer. Having played footy at a fairly high level I know how much it hurts to be dropped and it would have cut Johnson deeply to be delisted.

He will have fire in his belly and will be out there to prove something. Don't agree with where he was taken but he's on the team and I think he'll be a good influence on younger players.

Main thing is he wants to be there and since we cut 2 of last years draftees for attitude problems it'll be good to have someone there who will be busting his ass to get a game. Same goes with Keps
 
inferno66 said:
Currently we have 4 rookie spots available. If no one picks up Collard, Dunn or Mourish they have to be picked up by us in the Rookie draft. So we would basically have just 1 rookie pick left.
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Are you sure? We can just pay them out and include the cost in the TPP I thought
 

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Lach72 said:
Are you sure? We can just pay them out and include the cost in the TPP I thought
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Harvey indicated on 6pr that Collard, Dunn and Mourish would be training with the club leading to the Rookie Draft.... it game me the impression that we will look to put them on our rookie list rather then pay them out.
 
Carlton - don't need a ruck anymore
Richmond - Took Putt and have a couple of rucks
Melbourne - Have Meesen etc, prolly won't take Bellchambers or Mulligan
Bulldogs - Maybe take a ruck, but they are developing guys like Minson
Essendon - Might take one, still need a ruck
Freo - need a ruck somewhere.

We have good chances in either Rookie or PSD.
 
Scham said:
Johnson may free Hayden up to play further up the field, run off more, or even in the midfield?
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Harvey has preferred to play Solomon as a backman again. Johnson will likely be put in the forward line allowing Solomon to be anchored down back permanantly.

I'd prefer to see Solomon as the defensive forward and Johnson as a back pocket (freeing up Hayden), but it seems unlikely. I think Harvey has him earmarked as a midfielder/forward pocket.
 
As I said on the main board...

Supporting freo is such a double edged sword...

Happy with Palmer....Anger with Johnson.

Our neighbours up the road have once again done excemptionally.
 
Very happy with Palmer, Myers is going to be a good player but Palmer a young midfielder is what we really needed.
Disappointed with us taking Mark Johnson. Before the draft the opinion was that Fremantle needed more players in the under 21 age bracket but we ended up only taking 3 kids.
You don't bring a 30 year old player over from the east to be a backup so I have no doubt that Harvey will put him in the 22 every week. If we were slow last year Johnson makes us even slower this year. He is tough but Brisbane for example at their peak had the Scott boys and Pike but they had plenty of pace and skill around them.
You need a balanced team, and preferably players who have toughness and skill - Bell, not just toughness and aggression - Campbell, Johnson and about 6-7 others on our list.
 

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