2007 Draftees

[FM0226]

I really don't understand why you keep saying that pick 26 was our last live pick that has nothing to do with the argument we took the best available player with our pick that was Brett Meredith just because we dont have anymore picks doesnt mean we just throw it away on some dud who was never going to get drafted. Pick 26 is slightly different to pick 76 in that 50 players are no longer available at pick 76.

If your theory is correct lets just say a team has two first round selections and a father son player with their last making their last live pick about pick 13 or 14 should say ah well its our last live pick we might as well pick some random dud who more than likley will never get a game.

I'm by no means saying Meredith will be gun but the chance are he has a 95% better chance than Gourdis and Gaertner at this stage.

It's not different because if we don't have any more picks to spend on a prospect that for example people rate in the 50s. With our past record, say in the last 6,7 years, players we rate as a top 30 prospect has roughly the same rate of success as some we regard as a 40 - 60 prospect. So why don't we take a punt if a lot of people regard Bird as a top 30 midfielder anyway? Under normal circumstances, Meredith would have been a good choice - but given the age of our spine and the lop-sidedness of small/mediums in terms of the younger players in the list, it was a very chance for us to actually take a risk to fill a glaring need in 2, three years? - and I would have certainly went for Scott Simpson or Gourdis over Meredith.

Meredith could well turn into a decent player - because is he really going to be a lot better than the young small/mediums we have on the list now? - we have a lot of them and they will be directly compete for a place in the side - Well, he better be. And remember that we also traded for Mattner - which is essentially a medium defender/midfield flanker.

To me, that means we traded Schneider for a second round pick and drafted 4 mediums and a KP in this draft - with the KP having the least potential of the lot. My frustration is not on young Meredith, but on the insistence of a recruiting strategy that has brought us very little in terms of starring talent the past 5,6 years.

I also have doubts about our recruiter's judgement of talent, especially in small/mediums - we have invested 3 top ten picks (Fosdike, Bolton, McVeigh), 2 first round picks (Willougby and Daniel O'Keefe), 2 second round picks (Moore and Schmidt) and our entire 2005 draft on small/mediums - and the AA level midfielder is still nowhere to be seen using this strategy. Instead, that was a need for us to trade for a medium flanker and even with the fact of having a small rover in the bag before the draft starts - we picked up another good midfield prospect in the first round.

And with all the talk about the draft being a lottery (to me, anything outside the top 13/14 is a 'complete' lottery) - still drafted Meredith over Scott Simpson? When we have a combination of ageing KP players and a distinct lack of depth in young KP prospects? It's puzzling.

 

[FM0226]

I was using hawthorn as an example, quality players come up for trade every year. when we get salary cap space when hall and everitt retire we make plays at big forwards that we need thats the way the swans have done it for over ten years!who said anything about Boyle or Dawson?

Because that's the quality of players that will likely to be available in three years time. Look at the last 3 years, how many quality KP players have been recycled? And Hawthorn is a good example because they have invested in a lot of KP prospects (perhaps more than most other teams) - and in my view, those two are the only likely players that we would be able to get from them.

If you can, list some examples of quality KP players that could be available for us to replace an AA level KP like Hall in a few years time- because I can't. Remember, our team is based in Sydney and we've pretty much used up all the 'going home factor' that we have.

 

[Bloods boy from the Bush]

It's not different because if we don't have any more picks to spend on a prospect that for example people rate in the 50s. With our past record, say in the last 6,7 years, players we rate as a top 30 prospect has roughly the same rate of success as some we regard as a 40 - 60 prospect. So why don't we take a punt if a lot of people regard Bird as a top 30 midfielder anyway? Under normal circumstances, Meredith would have been a good choice - but given the age of our spine and the lop-sidedness of small/mediums in terms of the younger players in the list, it was a very chance for us to actually take a risk to fill a glaring need in 2, three years? - and I would have certainly went for Scott Simpson or Gourdis over Meredith.

Meredith could well turn into a decent player - because is he really going to be a lot better than the young small/mediums we have on the list now? - we have a lot of them and they will be directly compete for a place in the side - Well, he better be. And remember that we also traded for Mattner - which is essentially a medium defender/midfield flanker.

To me, that means we traded Schneider for a second round pick and drafted 4 mediums and a KP in this draft - with the KP having the least potential of the lot. My frustration is not on young Meredith, but on the insistence of a recruiting strategy that has brought us very little in terms of starring talent the past 5,6 years.

I also have doubts about our recruiter's judgement of talent, especially in small/mediums - we have invested 3 top ten picks (Fosdike, Bolton, McVeigh), 2 first round picks (Willougby and Daniel O'Keefe), 2 second round picks (Moore and Schmidt) and our entire 2005 draft on small/mediums - and the AA level midfielder is still nowhere to be seen using this strategy. Instead, that was a need for us to trade for a medium flanker and even with the fact of having a small rover in the bag before the draft starts - we picked up another good midfield prospect in the first round.

And with all the talk about the draft being a lottery (to me, anything outside the top 13/14 is a 'complete' lottery) - still drafted Meredith over Scott Simpson? When we have a combination of ageing KP players and a distinct lack of depth in young KP prospects? It's puzzling.

We seem to be argueing the same thing a differnent we both believe that we should have drafted more KPP's over the last couple of years and believe me I'm very disappointed that we didn't all I was saying is that just because pick 26 is our last live pick doesn't mean we waste it on some raw potential that may never be any good at all. This year wasn't a year to draft talls we missed that boat in 06 only jumping on a couple very late you mentioned Simpson as being a player you would have preffered over
Meredith as a tall thats a fair call but there is really no other tall player that was available at Pick 26 worth taking at all let alone in the second round when so much other talent was available.

Lets just hope we rookie some tall and find a diamond in the rough somewhere like a Dulic, Quinton or Bristow.

 

[J-swan]

To me, that means we traded Schneider for a second round pick and drafted 4 mediums and a KP in this draft - with the KP having the least potential of the lot. My frustration is not on young Meredith, but on the insistence of a recruiting strategy that has brought us very little in terms of starring talent the past 5,6 years.

I also have doubts about our recruiter's judgement of talent, especially in small/mediums - we have invested 3 top ten picks (Fosdike, Bolton, McVeigh), 2 first round picks (Willougby and Daniel O'Keefe), 2 second round picks (Moore and Schmidt) and our entire 2005 draft on small/mediums - and the AA level midfielder is still nowhere to be seen using this strategy. Instead, that was a need for us to trade for a medium flanker and even with the fact of having a small rover in the bag before the draft starts - we picked up another good midfield prospect in the first round.

Your being a tad unfair to Dan O'keefe here, we really didn't get a chance to see what he could do. He spent a fair part of the season injured.

 

[FM0226]

We seem to be argueing the same thing a differnent we both believe that we should have drafted more KPP's over the last couple of years and believe me I'm very disappointed that we didn't all I was saying is that just because pick 26 is our last live pick doesn't mean we waste it on some raw potential that may never be any good at all. This year wasn't a year to draft talls we missed that boat in 06 only jumping on a couple very late you mentioned Simpson as being a player you would have preffered over
Meredith as a tall thats a fair call but there is really no other tall player that was available at Pick 26 worth taking at all let alone in the second round when so much other talent was available.

Lets just hope we rookie some tall and find a diamond in the rough somewhere like a Dulic, Quinton or Bristow.

I think you're right. I'm just frustrated to see so little depth in our KP depth that I really wanted to see management/recruiting personal doing something to rectify the issue.

We have been incredibly lucky with injuries ever since Roos took over (and we are still considered the more lucky ones, even in last year) and the recruitment strategy implemented have left our squad list extremely lop-sided towards small/mediums. Even with our tedency to play smaller than other teams, our younger players have a lot of trouble breaking into the side despite spend more than 2/3 years on the list. I just feel to make up for what we've failed to do in the past 3, 4 years - this is really the year that we should try to do something about it (since we have Bird in the bag and we finished with the highest picks we have for years).

And hopefully we'll pick up a gem in the rookie list as you mentioned - but I can just imagine they go for another small/medium - and that will just irritate my even further :lol:.

 

[FM0226]

Your being a tad unfair to Dan O'keefe here, we really didn't get a chance to see what he could do. He spent a fair part of the season injured.

I will always have high expectations (and probably unrealistically high) for him because he was drafted in first round over Mitch Brown - I would be extremely disappointed with recruitment if Mitch Brown has a better career than he does since Brown would have filled a glaring need.

In my view, he's really up against it. With his injury, he's pretty much on equal footings with this year's draftees and both Veszpremi and Meredith seem to play his position.

 

[Bloods boy from the Bush]

I will always have high expectations (and probably) for him because he was drafted in first round over Mitch Brown - I would be extremely disappointed with recruitment if Mitch Brown has a better career than he does since Brown would have filled a glaring need.

In my view, he's really up against it. With his injury, he's pretty much on equal footings with this year's draftees and both Veszpremi and Meredith seem to play his position.

Yes I believe DOK is under more pressure than the two boys this year given he was drafted in a so called super draft chock full of KPP talent where as this year was a weaker draft with far less and in fact almost no decent KPP talent after round 1.