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Re: CHANGES TO CURRENT PDFL ( merged ) NEW COMP / MFL/PDFL 3 Division System Threads
Originally Posted by BACKS SORE!
League 1
Billabong
Berrigan
Jerilderie
Blighty
Rennie
Yarroweyah
Kattie
Strathy
Deni
Colley
Leauge 2
Katunga
Dookie
Shep east
Tunga
Katandra
Waaia
Wunghu
Picola
Mathoura
Voilet Town
Originally Posted by BACKS SORE!
League 1
Billabong
Berrigan
Jerilderie
Blighty
Rennie
Yarroweyah
Kattie
Strathy
Deni
Colley
Leauge 2
Katunga
Dookie
Shep east
Tunga
Katandra
Waaia
Wunghu
Picola
Mathoura
Voilet Town
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Pretty happy to stick with the below proposal, think all considerations of a split must be done based on the current 16 clubs only .
Immediate, for 2009 season, change to the current PDFL format.
Comp # 1 ( The 8 most successfull sides over the past 10 years, Blighty Jerilderie , gone with gut feeling of abilty to sustain success )
Waaia
Katandra
Tungamah
Shepp East
Jeriliderie
Dookie
Strathy
Kattamatitie
Comp # 2 ( the 8 less successful sides over the past 10 years, Blighty and Jerilderie is a difficult one but gone with gut feeling of being able to sustain success)
Blighty
Katunga
Yarroweyah
Berrigan
Mathoura
Picola
Deni Rovers
Wunghnu
Both comps to be run individually , however certain regulations to apply.
Comp #1
If a side finishes bottom of the ladder for 2 consecutive seasons they shall be offered the opportunity to drop down to comp 2, if they finish bottom 3 years in a row they are automatically replaced by the most succesfull side over 3 years in comp 2, if there is two sides which have achieved equal success in comp 2 over that time the most succesfull in the past season will automatically be elevated.
If a side finishes bottom 2, 5 years consecutive they shall be offered the same relegation.
Comp # 2
If a side finishes top of the ladder for 2 consecutive seasons they shall be offered the opportunity to jump up to comp 1, if they finish finish top 3 years in a row they automatically replace the less most sucessful side in comp 1, if there is two sides which have been equally unsucessfull in comp 1 the least sucessful in the previous season should be relegated.
If a side finishes top 2, 5 years consecutive they shall be offered the same elevation.
Funny enough travel ends up as goods as any system I have tried !
Hope all makes sense !!
Pretty happy to stick with the below proposal, think all considerations of a split must be done based on the current 16 clubs only .
Immediate, for 2009 season, change to the current PDFL format.
Comp # 1 ( The 8 most successfull sides over the past 10 years, Blighty Jerilderie , gone with gut feeling of abilty to sustain success )
Waaia
Katandra
Tungamah
Shepp East
Jeriliderie
Dookie
Strathy
Kattamatitie
Comp # 2 ( the 8 less successful sides over the past 10 years, Blighty and Jerilderie is a difficult one but gone with gut feeling of being able to sustain success)
Blighty
Katunga
Yarroweyah
Berrigan
Mathoura
Picola
Deni Rovers
Wunghnu
Both comps to be run individually , however certain regulations to apply.
Comp #1
If a side finishes bottom of the ladder for 2 consecutive seasons they shall be offered the opportunity to drop down to comp 2, if they finish bottom 3 years in a row they are automatically replaced by the most succesfull side over 3 years in comp 2, if there is two sides which have achieved equal success in comp 2 over that time the most succesfull in the past season will automatically be elevated.
If a side finishes bottom 2, 5 years consecutive they shall be offered the same relegation.
Comp # 2
If a side finishes top of the ladder for 2 consecutive seasons they shall be offered the opportunity to jump up to comp 1, if they finish finish top 3 years in a row they automatically replace the less most sucessful side in comp 1, if there is two sides which have been equally unsucessfull in comp 1 the least sucessful in the previous season should be relegated.
If a side finishes top 2, 5 years consecutive they shall be offered the same elevation.
Funny enough travel ends up as goods as any system I have tried !
Hope all makes sense !!
TrainerNo1
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Re: CHANGES TO CURRENT PDFL ( merged ) NEW COMP / MFL/PDFL 3 Division System Threads
I was talking to one of our clubs senior officials and he was telling me that the murray league and picola league have been in contact regarding a merger between the two leagues with a 3 teir split of the comp. 10 in the top two teirs and 9 in the other. If this happens Rennie should have a very good chance of getting into the league to even up the numbers in each comp.
I was talking to one of our clubs senior officials and he was telling me that the murray league and picola league have been in contact regarding a merger between the two leagues with a 3 teir split of the comp. 10 in the top two teirs and 9 in the other. If this happens Rennie should have a very good chance of getting into the league to even up the numbers in each comp.
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Re: CHANGES TO CURRENT PDFL ( merged ) NEW COMP / MFL/PDFL 3 Division System Threads
Let's hope this is true this time
Let's hope this is true this time
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Great idea, shows great insight on your part
Great idea, shows great insight on your part
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Let's get realistic here..... This may seem a bit out there, but I really think looking at the trend of small farming towns and communities, Eg Cropping area's & dairy farming, or even mixed farms whatever.... I belive in the next 5 to 10 years (If the drought continues) at least 3- 4 teams will be gone or at least have to merge! Here's what I reckon MIGHT happen
Berrigan will be gone or have to merge with Oaklands or Finley?? (Same with Finley)
Blighty will ge gone or have to merge with Finley???
Yarroweyah will be gone or have to merge with Strathy or Katuga???
Mathoura???????
There's a few I reckons future's are on the line, mainly due to employment or cropping failures. And because people and family's leave the area... (I hope it rains
)
So therefore the league restructure might speed this up or prolong the survival, these clubs. Cheers
Let's get realistic here..... This may seem a bit out there, but I really think looking at the trend of small farming towns and communities, Eg Cropping area's & dairy farming, or even mixed farms whatever.... I belive in the next 5 to 10 years (If the drought continues) at least 3- 4 teams will be gone or at least have to merge! Here's what I reckon MIGHT happen
Berrigan will be gone or have to merge with Oaklands or Finley?? (Same with Finley)
Blighty will ge gone or have to merge with Finley???
Yarroweyah will be gone or have to merge with Strathy or Katuga???
Mathoura???????
There's a few I reckons future's are on the line, mainly due to employment or cropping failures. And because people and family's leave the area... (I hope it rains
)So therefore the league restructure might speed this up or prolong the survival, these clubs. Cheers
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Re: CHANGES TO CURRENT PDFL ( merged ) NEW COMP / MFL/PDFL 3 Division System Threads
I would think that current MFL clubs would like a bit of warning, perhaps this would suit Congupna and Finley at the moment but I don't think they'd be too happy. Then you'd have to choose between Echuca Utd and Mulwala to come down. Does everyone remember where Moama finished in 2007?
A better way to do it would be to leave the MFL as is for 2009, let them know that a MFL/PDFL tier system is on its way. Then the team that finishes last place is relegated for 2010 season. Do this again in 2011 and 2012 and each team will know the expectation. (Club Champion points should also be considered and other variables).
2009: Div 1 = 13 teams, Div 2 = 8 teams, Div 3 = 8 teams
2010: Div 1 = 12 teams, Div 2 = 9 teams, Div 3 = 8 teams
2011: Div 1 = 11 teams, Div 2 = 9 teams, Div 3 = 9 teams
2012: Div 1 = 10 teams, Div 2 = 10 teams, Div 3 = 9 teams
Of course if Rennie or other teams are admitted then number will change. As many people have stated in the past, you don't mind travelling for a decent game, and the 3 tier Murray Valley FL could be the answer.
Heaps more problems like jumper clashes:
Numurkah: Katandra
Echuca United: Shepp East
Barooga: Tungamah
Cobram: Katty
Congupna: Blighty etc....
I would think that current MFL clubs would like a bit of warning, perhaps this would suit Congupna and Finley at the moment but I don't think they'd be too happy. Then you'd have to choose between Echuca Utd and Mulwala to come down. Does everyone remember where Moama finished in 2007?
A better way to do it would be to leave the MFL as is for 2009, let them know that a MFL/PDFL tier system is on its way. Then the team that finishes last place is relegated for 2010 season. Do this again in 2011 and 2012 and each team will know the expectation. (Club Champion points should also be considered and other variables).
2009: Div 1 = 13 teams, Div 2 = 8 teams, Div 3 = 8 teams
2010: Div 1 = 12 teams, Div 2 = 9 teams, Div 3 = 8 teams
2011: Div 1 = 11 teams, Div 2 = 9 teams, Div 3 = 9 teams
2012: Div 1 = 10 teams, Div 2 = 10 teams, Div 3 = 9 teams
Of course if Rennie or other teams are admitted then number will change. As many people have stated in the past, you don't mind travelling for a decent game, and the 3 tier Murray Valley FL could be the answer.
Heaps more problems like jumper clashes:
Numurkah: Katandra
Echuca United: Shepp East
Barooga: Tungamah
Cobram: Katty
Congupna: Blighty etc....
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Some very valid points I.W.A.F., I personally think the biggest difficulty would be to avoid traditionally strong top 4 sides in the Murray League in the juniors or netball playing against sides, which may not be that strong in the PDFL in that middle tier and can't think of a solution.
Would think the greater the standard difference between the top side and the bottom side in relegation/evelation the greater the gap is going to obviously be in some games in some grades ??
Some very valid points I.W.A.F., I personally think the biggest difficulty would be to avoid traditionally strong top 4 sides in the Murray League in the juniors or netball playing against sides, which may not be that strong in the PDFL in that middle tier and can't think of a solution.
Would think the greater the standard difference between the top side and the bottom side in relegation/evelation the greater the gap is going to obviously be in some games in some grades ??
T-Pain
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nothing that hasn't already been discussed on here. i wonder what the split will be? will all the clubs go for it or are some committed to 16?
nothing that hasn't already been discussed on here. i wonder what the split will be? will all the clubs go for it or are some committed to 16?
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Do ya really think that could happen? if it did come to that wouldnt ya just pay players more and more to keep them at the club? yeah bring on the rain cant have berrigan playing with finley.
Let's get realistic here..... This may seem a bit out there, but I really think looking at the trend of small farming towns and communities, Eg Cropping area's & dairy farming, or even mixed farms whatever.... I belive in the next 5 to 10 years (If the drought continues) at least 3- 4 teams will be gone or at least have to merge! Here's what I reckon MIGHT happen
Berrigan will be gone or have to merge with Oaklands or Finley?? (Same with Finley)
Blighty will ge gone or have to merge with Finley???
Yarroweyah will be gone or have to merge with Strathy or Katuga???
Mathoura???????
There's a few I reckons future's are on the line, mainly due to employment or cropping failures. And because people and family's leave the area... (I hope it rains
So therefore the league restructure might speed this up or prolong the survival, these clubs. Cheers
Do ya really think that could happen? if it did come to that wouldnt ya just pay players more and more to keep them at the club? yeah bring on the rain cant have berrigan playing with finley.
TrainerNo1
Debutant
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I think that the only way to split the league is to have the most successful teams from the last 5-10 years in div 1 as Pace suggested. but instaed of basing the promotion/relegation system on how successful a clubs senior footy team is, the system should be based on how successful a CLUB as whole is. Netball and football, all grades. Have the same deal with the club champion points but instead of having the footy and netball seperate, have them combined so you can judge the most successful CLUB, not the most successful senior footy team. At the end of each season give the CLUB that is the most successful in div 2 the option to go up to div 1. If they don't want to do that give the option to the CLUB that came second. If they also dont want it then both divisions remain the same, with the CLUB that came last in div 1 getting another year in the top teir.
I think that the only way to split the league is to have the most successful teams from the last 5-10 years in div 1 as Pace suggested. but instaed of basing the promotion/relegation system on how successful a clubs senior footy team is, the system should be based on how successful a CLUB as whole is. Netball and football, all grades. Have the same deal with the club champion points but instead of having the footy and netball seperate, have them combined so you can judge the most successful CLUB, not the most successful senior footy team. At the end of each season give the CLUB that is the most successful in div 2 the option to go up to div 1. If they don't want to do that give the option to the CLUB that came second. If they also dont want it then both divisions remain the same, with the CLUB that came last in div 1 getting another year in the top teir.
Charles Mac
Team Captain
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Spot on i reckon. The club needs to have the final say. They need to be given the option to go up a league or down a league. If the 17 teams( with Renne in) split it would make a 9 and 8 league team. If division 1 was the 9 league team and one side wanted to go down a league but no other side wanted to be promoted, easy, division 1 becomes the 8 team league for the following year. It may chop and change over the initial 4-5 years but as long as it is under one banner there is no need to involve the VCFL hence making the decisions alot easier to administrate. The main point here must be the long future of all the clubs currently in the PDFL. If splitting the way PTF has suggested helps that goal, just do it and stop beating around the bushes. Will be an exciting couple of weeks. It needs to happen soon though so that clubs can start some serious recruiting. Makes it a bit difficult at the moment when we dont know who we are playing against and what part of the country side we might be travelling to. We are all in the same boat though.
Spot on i reckon. The club needs to have the final say. They need to be given the option to go up a league or down a league. If the 17 teams( with Renne in) split it would make a 9 and 8 league team. If division 1 was the 9 league team and one side wanted to go down a league but no other side wanted to be promoted, easy, division 1 becomes the 8 team league for the following year. It may chop and change over the initial 4-5 years but as long as it is under one banner there is no need to involve the VCFL hence making the decisions alot easier to administrate. The main point here must be the long future of all the clubs currently in the PDFL. If splitting the way PTF has suggested helps that goal, just do it and stop beating around the bushes. Will be an exciting couple of weeks. It needs to happen soon though so that clubs can start some serious recruiting. Makes it a bit difficult at the moment when we dont know who we are playing against and what part of the country side we might be travelling to. We are all in the same boat though.
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Sounds well thought out there IWAF, MFL would be under no pressure for next year unless the likes of Fin or Con want to drop down.
With the jumpers teams can just do what Toc and Con do.
Sounds well thought out there IWAF, MFL would be under no pressure for next year unless the likes of Fin or Con want to drop down.
With the jumpers teams can just do what Toc and Con do.
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Would involving the MFL assist the PDFL clubs and how ??
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Having a comp which one is higher or lower standard than the other, or going up a level, Div1 and Div2 how ever you want to word it is ABSOULUTE CRAP!!!! At the end of the day if a young bloke wants to better his footy they will go to a, GV, OM or Murray league club. The solution is simple the VCFL need to get there act together and sit down with the PDFL, KDFL & Hume or (AFL NSW/ACT) and work out the best way of splitting teams in the area so you can have at least two 9 team comps that will Logistically work, so every team play twice and the standard remains at the same sort of level!! This may take 12 to 18 months?? So VCFL pull ya finger out and get to work with our clubs and other leagues and lets find an answer!!!!!!
Having a comp which one is higher or lower standard than the other, or going up a level, Div1 and Div2 how ever you want to word it is ABSOULUTE CRAP!!!! At the end of the day if a young bloke wants to better his footy they will go to a, GV, OM or Murray league club. The solution is simple the VCFL need to get there act together and sit down with the PDFL, KDFL & Hume or (AFL NSW/ACT) and work out the best way of splitting teams in the area so you can have at least two 9 team comps that will Logistically work, so every team play twice and the standard remains at the same sort of level!! This may take 12 to 18 months?? So VCFL pull ya finger out and get to work with our clubs and other leagues and lets find an answer!!!!!!
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No rain no crop's or feed, No crops or feed no work, no work no sponsorship, no sponsorship no money!!!!!!!!
(Please let it rain)
No rain no crop's or feed, No crops or feed no work, no work no sponsorship, no sponsorship no money!!!!!!!!
(Please let it rain
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would more clubs be interested in a geographical model east-west or a promotion-relegation model based on stregth? div 2 champions go up, wooden spooners go down.
would more clubs be interested in a geographical model east-west or a promotion-relegation model based on stregth? div 2 champions go up, wooden spooners go down.
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If that were to be, what would happen if say the Div2 winner does not want to progress into Div1, wanting to win another premiership? Or would it be a rule? Could make it hard for clubs wanting to go back to back!
If that were to be, what would happen if say the Div2 winner does not want to progress into Div1, wanting to win another premiership? Or would it be a rule? Could make it hard for clubs wanting to go back to back!
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Heres a few thoughts, why split the league in 2009 if we are already being told we are going to see changes 2010 ?
Maybe people should be upfront with this before any other matters get discussed, not after a discussion has taken place and voted on for splitting the league ?
To split the comp. into 2 x 8, with no relegation/promotion, I think will see some clubs faced with difficulties, and considering their future, within 5 years, if done by standard, the clubs which are forced to play against the recent stronger clubs Waaia, Shepp East, Dookie, Katandra, Tungamah may struggle to be competitive over long periods, whilst also permitting other clubs to dominate the lesser comp.
If done by location the inbalance of competition will see some of the current long term lower placed clubs in further difficulty.
Personally don't think a split can be done involving the current 16 clubs, whilst having every clubs future in mind, without relegation/promotion.
Going to be some interesting thoughts placed around at next league meeting ??
Year to year promotion - relegation should not be considered, would be more changes that what the league has experienced over the last few years, over a longer period has merit.
Heres a few thoughts, why split the league in 2009 if we are already being told we are going to see changes 2010 ?
Maybe people should be upfront with this before any other matters get discussed, not after a discussion has taken place and voted on for splitting the league ?
To split the comp. into 2 x 8, with no relegation/promotion, I think will see some clubs faced with difficulties, and considering their future, within 5 years, if done by standard, the clubs which are forced to play against the recent stronger clubs Waaia, Shepp East, Dookie, Katandra, Tungamah may struggle to be competitive over long periods, whilst also permitting other clubs to dominate the lesser comp.
If done by location the inbalance of competition will see some of the current long term lower placed clubs in further difficulty.
Personally don't think a split can be done involving the current 16 clubs, whilst having every clubs future in mind, without relegation/promotion.
Going to be some interesting thoughts placed around at next league meeting ??
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Okay guys, without any of the 'sales pitches' post your BEST idea for the make up of the PDFL into the future:
PDFL
Berrigan
Blighty
Deniliquin Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Wunghnu
Yarroweyah
(Rennie if they want them)
TFL
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tungamah
Invite Congupna, Tallygaroopna, Violet Town, Benalla All Blacks and Goorambat to join.
Okay guys, without any of the 'sales pitches' post your BEST idea for the make up of the PDFL into the future:
PDFL
Berrigan
Blighty
Deniliquin Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Wunghnu
Yarroweyah
(Rennie if they want them)
TFL
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tungamah
Invite Congupna, Tallygaroopna, Violet Town, Benalla All Blacks and Goorambat to join.
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PDFL1
Berrigan
Blighty
Deniliquin Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura?-mentioned on kdfl thread that they are looking that way
Picola United
waaia
Strathmerton
Wunghnu
Yarroweyah
PDFL2(TFL)
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tungamah
rennie
this is how i heard the league might be split. would have to invite clubs from other leagues to join pdfl2, BDFL could be on the way out so those clubs might join
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PDFL1
Berrigan
Blighty
Deniliquin Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura?-mentioned on kdfl thread that they are looking that way
Picola United
waaia
Strathmerton
Wunghnu
Yarroweyah
PDFL2(TFL)
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tungamah
rennie
this is how i heard the league might be split. would have to invite clubs from other leagues to join pdfl2, BDFL could be on the way out so those clubs might join