2009 Draft Our Best Yet?

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Put it this way..... This thread is ridiculous!!!

How could anyone say that this is the best draft for Carlton ever. Have we played a game yet???

NO

So we saying its the best ever and we are basing this on...........

 

[Alpha1]

Also it pays to remember that sometimes, especially early in a new coaches time or a new players time, the turnovers and errors are not just skill errors but teething problems adapting to a new game plan. And many times the delivering player has followed instructions and delivered to a predetirmined hot spot and it is the fault of the recieving players that they did not lead to that plan or spot. Sometimes a player will be out on their own and get ignored but the reality may be that the coach has instructed the player to dummy lead to take a defender with them and the intention was never to go there, so sometimes it is not just as we see it.

Anyway back on topic, most think Yarran and Robbo are certain starters early in the season and ROK may get a run later in the year, I doubt there is there any chance Tiller will get a run, I hear he really ought to have gone next year but because we fear not being able to get him next year we took a longer term view on him and so he gets 0 expectation this year so is safe on the list and we are unlikely to see any of him until next year.

Are any rookies not given a run so far likely to get up. Joseph for example or Bentley or Gartner of Jacobs? Or Stanton (I dont know too much about him or Bentley or Gartner for that matter and only really know a little of Joseph and Jacobs.

The reason I ask is I am already struggling to see how the senior list will fit into the 22, there are so many pressing now, so what chance do the rookies have if we have a good run with injuries. Ellard and Pfieffer we have seen and whilst I liked Pfieffer I cant see him breaking back in. Its just too tight for spots now.

I love the fact we have so much depth now. And the thing is that a lot of the players on the fringe could easily get a game. The more pressure there is on the 22 to perform the better for us in the long run.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Put it this way..... This thread is ridiculous!!!

How could anyone say that this is the best draft for Carlton ever. Have we played a game yet???

NO

So we saying its the best ever and we are basing this on...........

I dont think anyone is suggesting it is the best ever. Its just a discussion topic, no one is forcing you to either read it or post to it but you chose to all the same. Lighten up a bit.

Besides go back and re read the first paragraph of the OP (you know what a paragraph is I assume because reading and comprehension dont seem to be your strong suits). Here I will save you the trouble:

"I know this is ridiculously pre-mature, and I might well be totally wrong, but I have a sneaky suspicion the 2008 Draft might go down in history as one of our most successful drafts."

Now what this asks the reader to consider is IF this draft has the potential to be one of the (not the, but one of the) most successful ever. Key words in that sentence include might, and most.

Now that the question has been posed and you think it is ridiculous consider this, our drafting history is not exactly littered with stand out years especially early this decade.

So because you have insulted my intelligence with your statement lets examine our history together shall we?

94 gave us Hamil and Campo - a stand out year even if they both turncoated.
95 - Zip not one went on to play more than a few games.
96 only Franchina, not a great year
97 Massie, hardly a stand out year
98 Fev and no one else but on Fev alone a good year
99 Hoops and not much else an OK year
00 Wiggins and no one else of note, a so so year
01 Waite and no one else, an OK year
02 Fish and Simmo (and Mick Martin nuff said!!!) so an OK year
03 Walker and Banno so another just OK year considering Tex was pick 2.
04 Harts and Russell, given the attitude to them here most would say not a good year.
05 Edwards, Bower, Kennedy, Murphy....this is a stand out year even if Kennedy has moved on and Edwards is still to prove his worth.
06 Gibbs, Anderson, Austin, Hamson Grigg. Hard to judge as only Gibbs and Grigg are cemented but looks like another stand out if the others also kick on
07 Kruezer, Browne, Armfield so this one looks pretty good too.

So as you can see from the history, there is not a single draft where we got 3 stand out players...not 1. 05, 06, 07 have players still on the list because they were recent but in each of them only 2 have really shone.

So the original premise of the thread is quite valid.


Here endeth the lesson.

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

I dont think anyone is suggesting it is the best ever. Its just a discussion topic, no one is forcing you to either read it or post to it but you chose to all the same. Lighten up a bit.

Besides go back and re read the first paragraph of the OP (you know what a paragraph is I assume because reading and comprehension dont seem to be your strong suits). Here I will save you the trouble:

"I know this is ridiculously pre-mature, and I might well be totally wrong, but I have a sneaky suspicion the 2008 Draft might go down in history as one of our most successful drafts."

Now what this asks the reader to consider is IF this draft has the potential to be one of the (not the, but one of the) most successful ever. Key words in that sentence include might, and most.

Now that the question has been posed and you think it is ridiculous consider this, our drafting history is not exactly littered with stand out years especially early this decade.

So because you have insulted my intelligence with your statement lets examine our history together shall we?

94 gave us Hamil and Campo - a stand out year even if they both turncoated.
95 - Zip not one went on to play more than a few games.
96 only Franchina, not a great year
97 Massie, hardly a stand out year
98 Fev and no one else but on Fev alone a good year
99 Hoops and not much else an OK year
00 Wiggins and no one else of note, a so so year
01 Waite and no one else, an OK year
02 Fish and Simmo (and Mick Martin nuff said!!!) so an OK year
03 Walker and Banno so another just OK year considering Tex was pick 2.
04 Harts and Russell, given the attitude to them here most would say not a good year.
05 Edwards, Bower, Kennedy, Murphy....this is a stand out year even if Kennedy has moved on and Edwards is still to prove his worth.
06 Gibbs, Anderson, Austin, Hamson Grigg. Hard to judge as only Gibbs and Grigg are cemented but looks like another stand out if the others also kick on
07 Kruezer, Browne, Armfield so this one looks pretty good too.

So as you can see from the history, there is not a single draft where we got 3 stand out players...not 1. 05, 06, 07 have players still on the list because they were recent but in each of them only 2 have really shone.

So the original premise of the thread is quite valid.


Here endeth the lesson.

I'll give you a lesson you will never forget champ! As you wrote it's just a discussion topic...I added my view on the thread which in my books means that I have contributed to the discussion whether you like it or not!!!

You sir are the reason for my signature!!!

 

[40yearBLUE]

I'll give you a lesson you will never forget champ! As you wrote it's just a discussion topic...I added my view on the thread which in my books means that I have contributed to the discussion whether you like it or not!!!

You sir are the reason for my signature!!!

Hey I didn't insult you by saying anyone who doesn't post to this thread is an idiot to get you started, but by coming onto a thread and calling it ridiculous is insulting to all that had posted to it. You cant insult people on a thread and not expect them to post a retaliation. Now if you want to argue the point you have come to the right place. If you don't, then don't. But don't come on here insulting people just because you don't like the premise of the thread (and then get upset when someone slaps you back down).

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Hey I didn't insult you by saying anyone who doesn't post to this thread is an idiot to get you started, but by coming onto a thread and calling it ridiculous is insulting to all that had posted to it. You cant insult people on a thread and not expect them to post a retaliation. Now if you want to argue the point you have come to the right place. If you don't, then don't. But don't come on here insulting people just because you don't like the premise of the thread (and then get upset when someone slaps you back down).

What happened to those paragraphs you mentioned earlier.....?

Enough of these games you are beneath me!

Period!

It's a ripping thread, probably the best I ever laid eyes on.

Happy!!

 

[40yearBLUE]

What happened to those paragraphs you mentioned earlier.....?

Enough of these games you are beneath me!

Period!

It's a ripping thread, probably the best I ever laid eyes on.

Happy!!

I was right, comprehension is not your strong point. I will help you out one more time but after this you are on your own.

Comprehend = Understand Comprehension = Understanding

What are these paragraphs you speak of. I said nothing of paragraphs. I asked you to re read the OP's opening paragraph which I conveniently pasted there for you, to show you that the OP did not say nor did any of the subsequent (that means the posters after him) posters say that this is the best ever draft.

I then laid out for you the reason why the contention (that is the argument being made in the OP) was valid.

You posted what you thought was a smart one liner saying the thread was riduculous without thinking it through. I presented evidence to the contrary (against your original argument).

If you didnt like the premise (idea) of the thread why didnt you just ignore it and let those that were enjoying it, do so in peace. I find many threads I think are silly but I dont go on them and insult everyone that has posted to them with a comment like yours.

I dont care if you post or dont post. I neither like or dislike what you have posted. I am just contributing to what is posted.

Now where is that lesson you promissed that I will never forget? Champ!

 

[Faz 2000]

Back to the topic... for the 8,000th time... I think it would be GREAT if Yarran made an impact this year, but I think it's entirely likely his fitness prevents him from doing that. Did I hear correctly he came dead last, by miles, in a preseason time trial? He's gonna need some preseasons to harden up.

But fingers crossed he can make that impact we need up forward!

 

[40yearBLUE]

Back to the topic... for the 8,000th time... I think it would be GREAT if Yarran made an impact this year, but I think it's entirely likely his fitness prevents him from doing that. Did I hear correctly he came dead last, by miles, in a preseason time trial? He's gonna need some preseasons to harden up.

But fingers crossed he can make that impact we need up forward!

I would not take too much notice of time trials. How many times do you think Whitnall finished last in any running either sprint or long distance (probably every time!), yet he was able with his outstanding footy smarts to be where the ball would be and put it to advantage or kick a bag of goals or get between his opponent and the ball and stop him as a backman. His end came becuase of his knees not his fitness.

I dare say the same would be true of Diesel, probably one of the fastest minds in footy that more than compensated for his slow body, could see 3 moves ahead of his opponent. I started sitting in the top deck of the Southern stand just so that I could watch where he ran to because it often looked baffling why he would run to a particular place on the ground and then suddenly he had the ball on his own, or he had placed the ball to a player on his own....it all made sense once it unfolded and seeing his brilliance was a privilage.

If Yarran has the skill, poise, delivery and descision making skills that he is credited with, his time trial times will be irrelevent.

 

[Warsaw]

ROK is behind the other two at the moment,mainly due to age and size, but i think late in the season he could play a few games on the wing or half forward, if 2 of our 4 draft picks can fire in the 1st season its a bonus, 3 would be unreal.

I hope not. Only because that would mean we're not in the right mix at that time of year. Providing injury or he shows something steller in the Ants don't think at that time would be the right time to put him in the side.

That being said however there's no reason why he can't prove his worth early on. Similarly to Browne. Maintain a fairly consistent place in the side because he's in our best 22. Don't think that will happen mainly cause I haven't seen much of him play but that isn't a reason to say it won't.

 

[Warsaw]

Back to the topic... for the 8,000th time... I think it would be GREAT if Yarran made an impact this year, but I think it's entirely likely his fitness prevents him from doing that. Did I hear correctly he came dead last, by miles, in a preseason time trial? He's gonna need some preseasons to harden up.

But fingers crossed he can make that impact we need up forward!

He'll be playing in the forward line for most of the year. Ideally in the next few years that'll switch to playing time in the midfield aswell but that's not going to happen this year. So right now his engine won't be the problem from him making an impact.