2011 & Beyond..

[Mighty Eagles]

I'm going to make a tough call, I realize it won't be popular but long-term I think it's in the best interests of the club.


Next year the Gold Coast will take most of the quality picks in the draft to set them up for the 2011 season.

So this year's draft is the last before the GC17 hops in and gets all the quality picks.

So at the end of the year I think we should cull hard to the bone to set us up for the future, because if we struggle next year we won't be rewarded for it in the draft.

So I think at the end of the year its time to get rid of these blokes-
Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa and Staker.

There are probably more you could add to the list but at this stage I'm content with those four. Let's face it their not good enough against quality sides and I don't want to see what's happening to Terry Wallace happen to Woosha in the coming seasons because he didn't cull harder to the bone.

 

[larrikin]

None of those guys are going to get you a quality pick in this year's draft through trades. Extra delistings mean extra late picks. Whether we take those picks this year in a 9month draft pool, or in future years where Gold Coast have taken 12 or so kids, really makes very little difference

 

[Marlin01]

Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about flying cars and robots etc.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

None of those guys are going to get you a quality pick in this year's draft through trades. Extra delistings mean extra late picks. Whether we take those picks this year in a 9month draft pool, or in future years where Gold Coast have taken 12 or so kids, really makes very little difference

Mate I'm talking about the future of the club.

Terry Wallace didn't cut harder to the bone in his first two years, now in his 5th and final year of his contract the Tigers are still paying the price for soft list management. Yes the Tigers are very inconsistent, but the list management has cost them.

Next year if were bottom 6, we won't be rewarded with good picks, as has been the case in previous seasons. So taking this into account, I say lets cull hard to the bone this year; as we'll probably be bottom 8 next year anyway but atleast we move forward with less crabs.

Sooner or later those 4 will retire or be delisted, so I say lets make those decisions now so we push forward with a better list. Those 4 have played enough footy to show us what they've got and long term their not viable options.

 

[larrikin]

Mate I'm talking about the future of the club.

Terry Wallace didn't cut harder to the bone in his first two years, now in his 5th and final year of his contract the Tigers haven't showen a rapid improvement due to soft decisions with the list. Yes the Tigers are very inconsistent, but the list management wasn't brilliant.

Next year if were say bottom 6, we won't be rewarded with good picks, as has been the case in previous seasons. So considering this I say lets cull hard to the bone this year; as we'll probably be bottom 8 next year anyway but atleast we move forward with less crabs.

Sooner or later those 4 will retire or be delisted, so I say lets make those decisions now so we push forward with more exciting kids ahead of those 4 who've all had ample chances and I think it's clear they aren't up to it against quality sides.

I know what you are saying, but the Gold Coast draft picks have very little to do with it

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If Westcoast can grab a second round draft pick by trading the likes of Staker and Rosa we have the chance to pick up a decent prospect like Bastinac. Who is a far more natural footballer than either of these players. Ive personally thought us being a top 4 side in 2012 to be wishful thinking.

 

[RoJo Junior]

I seriously dont see what everyones deal with Rosa is. Hes been in our best easily the last few weeks, racking up the touches, running hard and rarely turning it over. Thats the role hes meant to play. He got 35 touches, highlighted with his 50m kick to Hunter in the 1st, and people say hes not damaging.

I do realise that you need to trade best 22 players for good picks, but hes a scapegoat despite performing admirably in recent weeks. I just dont get. Especially when we have a distinct lack of outside receiver type players such as him.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

I seriously dont see what everyones deal with Rosa is. Hes been in our best easily the last few weeks, racking up the touches, running hard and rarely turning it over. Thats the role hes meant to play. He got 35 touches, highlighted with his 50m kick to Hunter in the 1st, and people say hes not damaging.

I do realise that you need to trade best 22 players for good picks, but hes a scapegoat despite performing admirably in recent weeks. I just dont get.

Mate I don't want to seem rude or arrogant but jurno's and media personalities harp far too much on stats.

What they should be doing is reading out effective disposals not overall possestions, because alot of players turn the ball over at an alarmingly high rate.

For example you say Rosa had 35 touches yesterday, did you know 29% of them (a las 13 of his 35) were direct turn-overs to the opposition.

Saying Rosa had 35 touches is nothing considering one third of them were turn-overs.

 

[larrikin]

Mate I don't want to seem rude or arrogant but jurno's and media personalities harp far too much on stats.

What they should be doing is reading out effective disposals not overall possestions, because alot of players turn the ball over at an alarmingly high rate.

For example you say Rosa had 35 touches yesterday, did you know 29% of them (a las 13 of his 35) were direct turn-overs to the opposition.

Saying Rosa had 35 touches is nothing considering one third of them were turn-overs.

Umm, no, he had a 71% Disposal efficiency. I'd be gobsmacked if the 29% were all turnovers

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I seriously dont see what everyones deal with Rosa is. Hes been in our best easily the last few weeks, racking up the touches, running hard and rarely turning it over. Thats the role hes meant to play. He got 35 touches, highlighted with his 50m kick to Hunter in the 1st, and people say hes not damaging.

I do realise that you need to trade best 22 players for good picks, but hes a scapegoat despite performing admirably in recent weeks. I just dont get. Especially when we have a distinct lack of outside receiver type players such as him.

I don't have any problem with Rosa, one of the reasons why i think he could be worth trading.

 

[MerryHell]

I seriously dont see what everyones deal with Rosa is. Hes been in our best easily the last few weeks, racking up the touches, running hard and rarely turning it over. Thats the role hes meant to play. He got 35 touches, highlighted with his 50m kick to Hunter in the 1st, and people say hes not damaging.

I do realise that you need to trade best 22 players for good picks, but hes a scapegoat despite performing admirably in recent weeks. I just dont get. Especially when we have a distinct lack of outside receiver type players such as him.

I think its because traditionally Rosa has been a soft receiver with poor decision making, so he has a lot to do to get some street cred back.

Having said that, I have noticed some good improvement this year and will give him the benefit of the doubt to see if he can keep it up.

His tackling on the weekend was good (4 tackles), but that only takes his tally up to 7 for the year (source: footywire). If he can show more hardness at the footy like yesterday, I think it will do him well to get some cred back.

And he seems to be using the long ball kick to good advantage, and less of the stupid small cross the ground kick to a contest.

 

[Swiftkid]

Umm, no, he had a 71% Disposal efficiency. I'd be gobsmacked if the 29% were all turnovers

71% effeciency. Not hard to achieve when you chip the ball sideways and backward.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

71% effeciency. Not hard to achieve when you chip the ball sideways and backward.

Yeah exactly, as I said before jurno's and media personalities harp far too much on stats. What they should be doing is reading out effective disposals not overall possestions, because alot of players turn the ball over at an alarmingly high rate.

But coming back to the original post what do you think about culling Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa & Staker at the end of the year

 

[Swiftkid]

Yeah exactly, as I said before jurno's and media personalities harp far too much on stats. What they should be doing is reading out effective disposals not overall possestions, because alot of players turn the ball over at an alarmingly high rate.

But coming back to the original post what do you think about culling Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa & Staker at the end of the year

Fletcher and Stenglien wont fetch anything at the trade table. Players coming to the end of their career dont fetch a thing.

Rosa, like I said, we can only hope opposition clubs look soley at his stats and not the effect. Combining the two may fetch a first rounder.

I agree with your idea in theory but this years crop needs to be scrutinised further before we make any rash decisons.

 

[larrikin]

71% effeciency. Not hard to achieve when you chip the ball sideways and backward.

You missed the point

Might Eagles said 29% of his possessions were direct turnovers to the opposition - I was refuting that stat

 

[Swiftkid]

You missed the point

Might Eagles said 29% of his possessions were direct turnovers to the opposition - I was refuting that stat

Yeah I know, just highlighting how easy it is to achieve 71% effeciency and have no effect on the match.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Yesterday I made a bald call.

I'm curious to what your thoughts are:

I'm going to make a tough call, I realize it won't be popular but long-term I think it's in the best interests of the club.


Next year the Gold Coast will take most of the quality picks in the draft to set them up for the 2011 season.

So this year's draft is the last before the GC17 hops in and gets all the quality picks.

So at the end of the year I think we should cull hard to the bone to set us up for the future, because if we struggle next year we won't be rewarded for it in the draft.

So I think at the end of the year its time to get rid of these blokes-
Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa and Staker.

There are probably more you could add to the list but at this stage I'm content with those four. Let's face it their not good enough against quality sides and I don't want to see what's happening to Terry Wallace happen to Woosha in the coming seasons because he didn't cull harder to the bone.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

So at the end of the year I think we should cull hard to the bone to set us up for the future, because if we struggle next year we won't be rewarded for it in the draft.

How will culling at the end of 2009 help us improve or ladder position in 2010?

Or are you just talking about creating extra spaces on our list?

So I think at the end of the year its time to get rid of these blokes- Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa and Staker.

If anything, the impending inclusion of the GC points to us keeping Rosa and Staker, as we'll get more for them if we trade them to the GC than if we try to offload them to other clubs at the end of 2009.

And we won't get anything for Fletcher or Stinger in a trade, so I'm not really sure where they fit into your argument.

 

[purple hater]

Yesterday I made a bald call.

Yeh, you really put yourself out there, on the internet, anonymously...

I'm curious to what your thoughts are:

I'm going to make a tough call, I realize it won't be popular but long-term I think it's in the best interests of the club.

Well it would be a tough call if it was actually yours to make. I'm guessing you aren't on the Eagles coaching staff and therefore a call you actually cant make.

Next year the Gold Coast will take most of the quality picks in the draft to set them up for the 2011 season.

So this year's draft is the last before the GC17 hops in and gets all the quality picks.

Pretty sure we have already seen last year that clubs have worked this out all by themselves and are hanging onto their picks. They are professional organisations, do you really think you are going to off load a second rate player for a decent pick?

So at the end of the year I think we should cull hard to the bone to set us up for the future, because if we struggle next year we won't be rewarded for it in the draft.

We have had four top 22 picks in the last two drafts. If we aren't set up for the future now, we are never going to be. We should be improving next year and are in big trouble for the foreseeable future if we are struggling.

So I think at the end of the year its time to get rid of these blokes-
Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa and Staker.

There are probably more you could add to the list but at this stage I'm content with those four. Let's face it their not good enough against quality sides and I don't want to see what's happening to Terry Wallace happen to Woosha in the coming seasons because he didn't cull harder to the bone.

It was fairly well known, I thought, that this is Fletchers last year. So there is nothing to trade there.

As for Stenglein, I think he has earnt the right to be treated with respect by the club, and I have no doubt that he will be. He will be turning 30 next season, would you be happy if we traded a pick in the last pure draft for a 30 year old?

Rosa is actually rated by the coaching staff. I know this because when he was a skinny 19 year old, he was getting games in a premiership year, beside the best midfield we have ever assembled. He is one of the few young players we will be building our next flag tilt around, that actually has finals experience. West Coast will not trade him unless he asked for a trade.

Staker, well thats a possibilty. However again, no-one is going to give us a pick that would be worth swapping him for. Better off holding onto him until the Gold Coast has trades to swap for players (can see him and his girlfriend on the Gold Coast actually.)

 

[greennick]

Yesterday I made a bald call.

I'm curious to what your thoughts are:

I'm going to make a tough call, I realize it won't be popular but long-term I think it's in the best interests of the club.


Next year the Gold Coast will take most of the quality picks in the draft to set them up for the 2011 season.

So this year's draft is the last before the GC17 hops in and gets all the quality picks.

So at the end of the year I think we should cull hard to the bone to set us up for the future, because if we struggle next year we won't be rewarded for it in the draft.

So I think at the end of the year its time to get rid of these blokes-
Fletcher, Stenglein, Rosa and Staker.

There are probably more you could add to the list but at this stage I'm content with those four. Let's face it their not good enough against quality sides and I don't want to see what's happening to Terry Wallace happen to Woosha in the coming seasons because he didn't cull harder to the bone.

So, are you saying that by getting rid of these blokes, we will get some high picks in this year's draft?? Or are you saying that it will give us extra places which we will in the later rounds??

 

[drexel]

Would it be about time we got some father/son kids coming through from the first eagles or is it too early? That team was the cream of the state and hopefully they will provide us with a few juniors at the level of Ablett.

If not. get rid of that rule coz it ain't helping us one bit.

 

[RoJo Junior]

Would it be about time we got some father/son kids coming through from the first eagles or is it too early? That team was the cream of the state and hopefully they will provide us with a few juniors at the level of Ablett.

If not. get rid of that rule coz it ain't helping us one bit.

Pretty sure they altered that rule anyway. Some crap about if another club says they're interested in a player eligible for the father-son selection then you must use your pick prior to them if you want him. If you dont then im pretty sure the club is held liable for picking him with the selection they said they would.

Happened with the Dogs and Ayce Cordy last year. Saints were going to nab him with their first rounder so the Dogs had to use their first if they wanted to get him.

Stops the guns of the draft being exclusive to a club for a later draft pick.

 

[lewigie]

What happens if St Kilda had their pick before the Dogs?

Saints could get him, right? That's pretty pointless.

 

[lewigie]

What happens if St Kilda had their pick before the Dogs?

Saints could get him, right? That's pretty pointless.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

What happens if St Kilda had their pick before the Dogs?

Saints could get him, right? That's pretty pointless.

No, the Bulldogs just had to use their pick in the same round. For the record, Cordy is officially listed as going at pick 14, but the Saints had pick 12 (which I think they used to pick up Tom Lynch). Ultimately if a club wants a player under the F/S rule, there is nothing stopping them, but they may have to be willing to part with their first round selection to do so.