2011 National Draft - Not happy Jan aka Santa's thread

[Goldust]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

How about you all wait until these kids get a chance to play and show you their wares.

Bunch of idiots getting their knickers in a knot over some selections who haven't even played a game.​

I'M with you Cuz, let's see how they pan out before condemning guys.

Staggers me that people on here bang on and on and on about 'development' of players, yet never actually consider that's what we might be doing.

At first glance, I would suggest Ellis is a likely starter early across half back, facilitating Deledio's move into the midfield or forward, while Elton will be plying his trade at Coburg for the better part - if not all - of 2012, while Arnot is a likely candidate for predominantly Coburg duties as well.

Not every kid you draft has to be a walk up start and indeed a prime mover from round one.

It's called development. The recruiters have seen something in these guys that they think they can nurture - give them a go.

Maybe because I watch a lot of NFL and I see the way teams go about drafting for the future .... a first rounder is drafted with the view to making an impact, you don't expect every slecetion to be a star right away!

 

[docko911]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

If Morris and Ellis release Deledio and Newman into the midfield area in 2012 then its a big win. And its a genuine chance to happen as the season develops. Add Conca into the midfield who i think will really explode next season and I think we have ddone really well. Ellis, Arnot and Morris all have potential to relieve Jackson of some tagging duties.

My thoughts exactly and i think this may have been the plan all along. Hardwick gave us a taste of Deledio in the midfield in round 22 this year and i think it may have been an indication of things to come. Deledio has done he apprenticeship down back and now has an improved defensive side of his game that should ultimately help him become one of the best mids in the games. 2012 hurry up.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Am I correct in saying that you guys will not have a PSD pick and will have to rely on the rookie draft for McCarthy?

 

[purrrrrrrrrrfect]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

This board is so predictable, 2 hours ago there was hope and hype about who we were going to pick.

2 hours later, and with the draft barely finished, posters are back to ripping into the club and the recruiting staff about how they got it so wrong.

& by 2morrow morning someone would have pulled out some youtube footage of these players & we'll all be trying to convince ourselves we might have actually nailed our picks & how we'll pushing for top 4 next yr

 

[docko911]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Am I correct in saying that you guys will not have a PSD pick and will have to rely on the rookie draft for McCarthy?

Incorrect - we traded out 1 and delisted 4 and Newman moves to veterans list i think.
We have 3 draft picks and a PSD.

 

[_RT_]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Some raised there concerns over these type of selections well before the ND started .

Yes they did, but their obsession with getting 185+cm/85kg midfielders has seemingly blinded them to what we have come away with. As I said Ellis and Arnot should both allow others to move up the ground and add to the midfield and maybe even get a run through there themselves given their builds.

 

[_RT_]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Am I correct in saying that you guys will not have a PSD pick and will have to rely on the rookie draft for McCarthy?

Possible that we will put Newman on the vets list to free up a spot. Will find out next Tuesday.

 

[Livonski]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

I'm with you. There is a distinct lack of commitment with these selections. It seems that they were more concerned with avoiding a hit/miss scenario by recruiting non-specialist, safe options. I would have liked a specialist mid at 15 (Kavanagh), lead up forward at 26 (Kersten) and ruckman at 55 (Downie). All were available at the respective picks.

You are kidding, surely? Full time experts, with every prospect vetted by Dimma over many months of actually watching them play, understanding what drives them, their strengths and weaknesses, technical testing and analysis.

And you reckon after all that they thought the best thing for the RFC, the coaches, the supporters is to take a safe option? Do you think they didn't look hard at Kavanagh etc? Do you really think their selections were an arse covering exercise?

The ink has barely dried and people are insulting the club they supposedly barrack for.

The negativity is breathtaking.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

lol. this is exactly the same as last year. I am backing the club to have gotten it right. None of you know jack

 

[Kick it 2 Royce]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Gee everyone is quick to condemn . I remember last year the complaints about taking conca and batchelor to early and there were better options, but after a few games we saw what talent they have. I will back francis and the recruiting team for they have done a fairly good job the last 5 or 6 years in what is a fairly inexact science.So welcome to TIGERLAND brandon, todd and matthew !!!!!

 

[FootyIcon4]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

everyone who is crapping on about minor height issues 4-5cm are kidding themselves and looking for something to complain about.

Height has minimal effect on ability and to say that a player has to be a certain height to succeed in the AFL is rubbish. In the backline it can be a factor with matchups but again a player who is 4-5cm shorter can still beat their man one-on-one, i've done it all my life!

Stop complaining and rejoice that Richmond have drafted three talented players

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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Yes they did, but their obsession with getting 185+cm/85kg midfielders has seemingly blinded them to what we have come away with. As I said Ellis and Arnot should both allow others to move up the ground and add to the midfield and maybe even get a run through there themselves given their builds.

Provided the players they are releasing to play up the ground are able to succesfully make that transition ?
I'd prefer to draft midfielders to play within the midfield directly rather than recruit players to fullfill other positions to allow the players already in those positions to move to the midfield ???
Lets also not forget we did trade in Morris ?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Gee everyone is quick to condemn . I remember last year the complaints about taking conca and batchelor to early and there were better options, but after a few games we saw what talent they have. I will back francis and the recruiting team for they have done a fairly good job the last 5 or 6 years in what is a fairly inexact science.So welcome to TIGERLAND brandon, todd and matthew !!!!!

I appreciate I may be in the minority in saying this , but I disagree .

 

[Ruanaidh]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

You are kidding, surely? Full time experts, with every prospect vetted by Dimma over many months of actually watching them play, understanding what drives them, their strengths and weaknesses, technical testing and analysis.

And you reckon after all that they thought the best thing for the RFC, the coaches, the supporters is to take a safe option? Do you think they didn't look hard at Kavanagh etc? Do you really think their selections were an arse covering exercise?

The ink has barely dried and people are insulting the club they supposedly barrack for.

The negativity is breathtaking.

Still smarting over the Pokie Thread smack-down you received I see They took the same approach last year with Conca/Heppell situation and look where that ended up. See my first post for your answer.

 

[YearOfTheCotch10]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

People just a few days ago were crying out for Adams yet at 179 does that make him an undraftable midget? and what about those not wanting to pick up Grigg because of supposed 'attitude issues'? yet are now crying over missing out on Kavanagh who is apparently the biggest ****wit in the draft and didnt want to play for anyone except essendon Some of the hypocritical shit I see on here really gets under my skin just let the kids play before we start making judgements about 'who's better than who'!! some people on here who've never seen any of the ****ing kids play reckon you could do a better job of selecting draft picks than a team of people paid to watch them every week!

 

[delediofan3]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

What i'm not happy about is that we didn't draft a pure midfielder.

 

[_RT_]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Provided the players they are releasing to play up the ground are able to succesfully make that transition ?
I'd prefer to draft midfielders to play within the midfield directly rather than recruit players to fullfill other positions to allow the players already in those positions to move to the midfield ???
Lets also not forget we did trade in Morris ?

Deledio and Conca spent most of the year across half back with occasional runs in the middle. Surely they are a couple of handy options to move into the midfield on a full time basis. Hell even Morris could spend a bit of time rotating through given his mature body. Lets not forget the likelihood of McCarthy coming on board as well. Thats at least 2 and possibly 4 new midfielders for next year.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Deledio and Conca spent most of the year across half back with occasional runs in the middle. Surely they are a couple of handy options to move into the midfield on a full time basis. Hell even Morris could spend a bit of time rotating through given his mature body. Lets not forget the likelihood of McCarthy coming on board as well. Thats at least 2 and possibly 4 new midfielders for next year.

Fair points, that still leaves Newman , Houli and Batchellor as rebounding defenders , with depth from the more experienced and mature bodies in Edwards , White, Connors , any need for more ??

 

[_RT_]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

What i'm not happy about is that we didn't draft a pure midfielder.

Deledio not a good enough option for you as a pure midfielder?

 

[YearOfTheCotch10]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Fair points, that still leaves Newman , Houli and Batchellor as rebounding defenders , with depth from the more experienced and mature bodies in Edwards , White, Connors , any need for more ??

Houli was brought in as a midfielder/wingman and i believe he is more suited to this role, and although mentioning Edwards, Connors and White in this argument is stupidity at its finest as they are coburg players and most likely to be delisted within 2 years, Connors is a natural forward and should be played there, Edwards plays more on the wing not in defence and White is certainly a wingman rather than a HBF. Newman is 30 next year, so IF Deledio is freed up to the midfield that basically IMO leaves us with Batchelor as our only longterm option.

 

[MightyTiger]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Fair points, that still leaves Newman , Houli and Batchellor as rebounding defenders , with depth from the more experienced and mature bodies in Edwards , White, Connors , any need for more ??

Edwards and White off the HB? Surely you jest, and Connors, the guy who can barely get on the park for a prolonged period without copping some sort of injury.

You yourself just proved our lack of quality depth and even starting 22 players when it comes to most positions, Edwards and White off the HB, now that would be something different.

 

[NQTIGER]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Gee everyone is quick to condemn . I remember last year the complaints about taking conca and batchelor to early and there were better options, but after a few games we saw what talent they have. I will back francis and the recruiting team for they have done a fairly good job the last 5 or 6 years in what is a fairly inexact science.So welcome to TIGERLAND brandon, todd and matthew !!!!!

If you said last two years i may and i use the word may have agreed, but to say the last 5 or six years.....as santa would say sheesh

Hislop, farmer, taylor, jordy etc all say hi.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

Deledio and Houli are only playing back because they are decent kicks and we need them there for now.

Hopefully Batchelor, Dea, Morris, and now Ellis make the need for them to be down back less and less.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

IMO an unprofessional thread by someone who represents the Richmond supporter base on these boards. Just my opinion.

For every negative poster critising the club 2 minutes after the draft there are about 10 people rolling their eyes.

How many people were excited about Jake Batchelor last year?

Pace to freeze, were you over the moon to select Conca + Batch who both won Rising Star nominations in their first season? I bet not. Few did.

If Ellis and Elton both earn Rising Star nominations next year, you won't be complaining about a lack of height (which is such an oversimplistic measurement in comparison to the vast information recruiters have access to these days).

To base your opinion of one simple, simple piece of information (height) to criticise an expert with access to so so much more information is stupid.

I know nothing about any draftee, so I'll wait and see. The three mediums we picked up (Ellis, Morris, and Arnot) are all well built and play aggressively - I'm happy to see how hard they work and how much they improve under Hardwick's watch.

 

[YearOfTheCotch10]

Re: 2011 National Draft - Not happy jam aka Santa's thread

To base your opinion of one simple, simple piece of information (height) to criticise an expert with access to so so much more information is stupid.
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Completely agree, Why dont we go back to the ****ing dark days of Greg Miller and start drafting tall athletes again because thats obbbbbvvvviiooouslyyy the way the games headed ? Yeah that worked real well didnt it...