2012 draft

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Wines is a pipe dream indeed, but Stringer certainly is a real possibility.

For what Richmond needs, a forward with the talent of stringer must surely take precedence over a mid-fielder or half-back that will play in our second midfeild rotation like Vlastuin or O'Rourke. Picks 31 & 33 can be used to take midfielders for this.

Stringer could easily be the Jack Darling kind of player we so desperately need, and the new contact rules below the knee should limit any chance further injury. We also have lots of experience of how to manage players who have had broken legs with Nathan Brown and Chris Newman.

Our forward line talent is a bigger weakness than our sencondary midfield rotation and Stringer could isntantly fix this. And he is more than capable of going into the midfield as he develops also.

Stringer Riewoldt Edwards
Knights Vickery Martin

If Stringer is available at pick 9 he is > EVERYBODY ELSE

Getting Vlastuin would allow Cotchin Martin or Deledio to play that mid/hff goal kicking role more often than they currently can and no offence to Stringer but those 3 would have him covered in that role.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Grundy is the dream at 9, as we can get two good mids with our next picks. Failing that unlikely scenario, my preferences at 9 are Stringer/Menzel/Garner/Garlett/Macrae. Only seen the highlights but Vlastuin doesn't look particularly clean. Having said that, I trust FJ if he picks him.

If we can get 2-3 of Simpson, Towers, Broomhead, Membrey, Atkins, Nelson, Sumner, Taylor as well I'd be rapt.

 

[Stylo]

If we can get 2-3 of Simpson, Towers, Broomhead, Membrey, Atkins, Nelson, Sumner, Taylor as well I'd be rapt.

Towers is a guy I haven't seen at all and don't know much about, but will probably around for our 2nd pick you would think. All I've heard is he's a mature aged (22 I think) speedy winger/flanker and he tested incredibly well at the combine. Anyone know more about him? Any idea why he's not been picked up before?

 

[MR]

Grundy is the dream at 9, as we can get two good mids with our next picks. Failing that unlikely scenario, my preferences at 9 are Stringer/Menzel/Garner/Garlett/Macrae. Only seen the highlights but Vlastuin doesn't look particularly clean. Having said that, I trust FJ if he picks him.

If we can get 2-3 of Simpson, Towers, Broomhead, Membrey, Atkins, Nelson, Sumner, Taylor as well I'd be rapt.

Highlight reels don't tell the whole story. I assure you, and I've followed Vlastuin very closely this year, that he is very very clean. He is the best kick for players around our pick (Other than Mayes.) He is very strong overhead and has handwork as good as his kicking.

Many people don't really like Vlastuin as a prospect because naturally in the AFL, the players who do the grunt work are often overlooked and discarded. Players like Cotchin, Ablett, Pendlebury always get the attention but we hardly hear about how good Ball, Tuck, Swallow and Sewell are. So as expected, everyone wants Garlett, Macrae, Stringer, simply because their potential could be as high as anything. Solid AFL citizens are just as important as those players, it's why Sydney won the premiership.

 

[Stylo]

I'm all aboard the Nelson at 43 train btw

 

[MR]

Towers is a guy I haven't seen at all and don't know much about, but will probably around for our 2nd pick you would think. All I've heard is he's a mature aged (22 I think) speedy winger/flanker and he tested incredibly well at the combine. Anyone know more about him? Any idea why he's not been picked up before?

Isaac Smith clone, more athletic. Similar story like Morris, wasn't good enough when he was young. He needed to adapt to his body and now he looks the goods.

 

[bananatigz]

I'm all aboard the Nelson at 43 train btw

certainly, floated the idea of our pick 50 for him earlier in the year but at that stage he was considered a second round/very early 3rd round prospect, anyone know why hes dropped off a bit, seems to be in the 4th round from what ive seen lately?

 

[axel2cotch2lids]

Getting Vlastuin would allow Cotchin Martin or Deledio to play that mid/hff goal kicking role more often than they currently can and no offence to Stringer but those 3 would have him covered in that role.

My question would be where does Vlastuin go when he is not on the ball? And i would say that Stringer would have Vlastuin covered in any other role when he wasnt onball and will be a beter onballer in the long run.

From the limited amount of game time Vlastuin seems one paced, is not exactly a line breaker, or great on the spread at the moment.

I believe Stringer can he play key forward, half forward, midfield, half-back, or even key-back in the AFL if needed, and if we skip him if he was available it would equivalent of passing on Pavlich although I dont think we could pick another Fiora even if we tried.

Stringer will be a far better player than Vlastuin will be in 3 years time and I think Vlastuin will be a very good player.

There will be another Vlastuin in the next draft, there arent always Stringers popping up at pick 9, he has a rare set of talents.

 

[GrandBlue]

Wines is a pipe dream indeed, but Stringer certainly is a real possibility.

For what Richmond needs, a forward with the talent of stringer must surely take precedence over a mid-fielder or half-back that will play in our second midfeild rotation like Vlastuin or O'Rourke. Picks 31 & 33 can be used to take midfielders for this.

Stringer could easily be the Jack Darling kind of player we so desperately need, and the new contact rules below the knee should limit any chance further injury. We also have lots of experience of how to manage players who have had broken legs with Nathan Brown and Chris Newman.

Our forward line talent is a bigger weakness than our sencondary midfield rotation and Stringer could isntantly fix this. And he is more than capable of going into the midfield as he develops also.

Stringer Riewoldt Edwards
Knights Vickery Martin

If Stringer is available at pick 9 he is > EVERYBODY ELSE

I know he's a gun, I just don't think he'll be available at pick 9. GWS are apparently considering him with one of their first 3 picks, along with that, he's been training with us so there's a good chance we'll pick him up with one of our two picks and let's be honest, there's no way Port would pass on him, he's exactly what they need.

I actually think Vlastuin suits Richmond perfectly. With Tuck getting on a bit, he'll be able to slot right in and based on what I've seen, he's a gun. Does all the grunt work and has an excellent long kick to boot. I think your mob should recruit either Vlastuin, Garner or Lonergan.

 

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My question would be where does Vlastuin go when he is not on the ball? And i would say that Stringer would have Vlastuin covered in any other role when he wasnt onball and will be a beter onballer in the long run.

From the limited amount of game time Vlastuin seems one paced, is not exactly a line breaker, or great on the spread at the moment.

I believe Stringer can he play key forward, half forward, midfield, half-back, or even key-back in the AFL if needed, and if we skip him if he was available it would equivalent of passing on Pavlich although I dont think we could pick another Fiora even if we tried.

Stringer will be a far better player than Vlastuin will be in 3 years time and I think Vlastuin will be a very good player.

There will be another Vlastuin in the next draft, there arent always Stringers popping up at pick 9, he has a rare set of talents.

Vlastuin can go to a flank, wing or rest on the bench. My point is that with Deledio Cotchin and Martin we have our own versions of Stringer already. What we don't have is a viable Tuck replacement for when Tuck has retired. I know we have Helbig and Arnot already on the list, but neither have shown that they are capable of playing that role, Vlastuin has shown through his junior career that he thrives in that role and is also good enough to contribute in other areas.

 

[Saul Hudson]

Bear with me but there is something that has been nagging me about this draft. i know we need some more inside midfielders but do we need to pick one up with an early(ish) selection? I compare the Tuck style midfielder to like a running back in the NFL. The best are up there with the best players in the comp but the majority are just cannon fodder who are picked up in later rounds or even undrafted. Skill position players...quarterbacks, wide receivers etc ...are usually the high draft picks or players that you reach for. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

With Richmond, we still need more class around the ground. We have traded for foot soldiers the last few years but we have to draft for talent and class with our early draft pick. And with all the possible scenarios even being played out on this board with what might happen on draft day...Grundy, Mayes, Macrae etc being available with our pick...it might be negligent to ignore that sort of talent over a more needs based/solid citizen that we may be able to select - albeit a slightly less skilled one - with later picks.

That being said i'm no expert and i'll be happy with whoever we pick up!

 

[richoatthedisco]

You got it Slash.

 

[MR]

Bear with me but there is something that has been nagging me about this draft. i know we need some more inside midfielders but do we need to pick one up with an early(ish) selection? I compare the Tuck style midfielder to like a running back in the NFL. The best are up there with the best players in the comp but the majority are just cannon fodder who are picked up in later rounds or even undrafted. Skill position players...quarterbacks, wide receivers etc ...are usually the high draft picks or players that you reach for. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

With Richmond, we still need more class around the ground. We have traded for foot soldiers the last few years but we have to draft for talent and class with our early draft pick. And with all the possible scenarios even being played out on this board with what might happen on draft day...Grundy, Mayes, Macrae etc being available with our pick...it might be negligent to ignore that sort of talent over a more needs based/solid citizen that we may be able to select - albeit a slightly less skilled one - with later picks.

That being said i'm no expert and i'll be happy with whoever we pick up!

Good post, but I have to disagree.

We have class around the ground. Deledio, Cotchin, Conca and Martin in the midfield are all class. In the backline, Newman, Houli, and Ellis (soon) are all class. At the moment, are grunt stocks are Tuck, Jackson, Helbig and Arnot. I understand that we could just as easily pick one up at a latter stage, but we honestly can't go wrong with it. At least with a player like Vlastuin, we know EXACTLY what we'll get from him. There won't be speculation, he'll be a gun.

Look at Collingwood's midfield, Pendlebury, Swan, Thomas, Beams, Sidebottom. Elite midfield you could say, but why were they whacked in the finals series? It's because they were too outside. Hawthorn and Sydney absolutely pummeled them because their reliance was on their ball-winners, an aspect which we desperately lack.

 

[Stylo]

It looks to me as though we'll be getting either Vlastuin or Macrae, I'm pretty confident in saying that.

So people, Vlastuin or Macrae?

 

[Stylo]

Actually got a better one, Viney and Vlastuin are both available at our pick, who do we go for?

 

[MR]

Actually got a better one, Viney and Vlastuin are both available at our pick, who do we go for?

Viney is the better midfield prospect. Vlastuin will be better in the opening few years because he will be playing on a back flank, but Viney will ultimately be the better player. Well at least if he doesn't end up at the Demons.

 

[Ciderhound]

Still want Garlett for the first pick. Plenty of meat and potatoe midfields available in the second round.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Dees shouldn't have lost that game in 2009.

We get pick 4.

Grundy and macrae

 

[Stylo]

It's only fair.

 

[axel2cotch2lids]

Vlastuin can go to a flank, wing or rest on the bench. My point is that with Deledio Cotchin and Martin we have our own versions of Stringer already. What we don't have is a viable Tuck replacement for when Tuck has retired. I know we have Helbig and Arnot already on the list, but neither have shown that they are capable of playing that role, Vlastuin has shown through his junior career that he thrives in that role and is also good enough to contribute in other areas.

His numbers last season dont seem great to me but in FJ we trust.

But if a scenario were to happen where at pick#9 we had to choose between Stringer and Vlastuin and we went for Vlastuin I'd be ............ very disappointed and sometimes the stats just dont lie.

The odds are though that Vlastuin may be best available at pick#9 but in know way, and in no sense is he better than Stringer.

Vlastuin Stats 2012 - http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192116736&client=1-3020-111703-206344-16804346

Stringer Stats 2012 - http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192152616&client=1-118-10467-204557-16771079&ocompID=206343

 

[Stylo]

If Stringer's available I 100% agree we should take him, will be a gun. Just don't think he'll be there, GWS will either take him with 3 or the Dogs will. It'll be a toss up between Macrae, Vlastuin and MAYBE Viney IMO.

 

[MR]

His numbers last season dont seem great to me but in FJ we trust.

But if a scenario were to happen where at pick#9 we had to choose between Stringer and Vlastuin and we went for Vlastuin I'd be ............ very disappointed and sometimes the stats just dont lie.

The odds are though that Vlastuin may be best available at pick#9 but in know way, and in no sense is he better than Stringer.

Vlastuin Stats 2012 - http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192116736&client=1-3020-111703-206344-16804346

Stringer Stats 2012 - http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192152616&client=1-118-10467-204557-16771079&ocompID=206343

Stats NEVER tell the true story.

The interesting part of those stats though was Vlastuin was in the bests 8 times for 10 matches and Stringer was in the best 4 times for 9 matches.

Also, Stringer has a significantly high count for ineffective kicks. Vlastuin for me, I'd be disappointed if we took Stringer.

 

[TJTIGER]

Stats NEVER tell the true story.

The interesting part of those stats though was Vlastuin was in the bests 8 times for 10 matches and Stringer was in the best 4 times for 9 matches.

Also, Stringer has a significantly high count for ineffective kicks. Vlastuin for me, I'd be disappointed if we took Stringer.

It'd be interesting M_R to see if this translated to his kicking skills test at the combine ? If so I'd guess our guys would be all over both stats and select accordingly, given our focus on foot skills in drafting over the last few years.

 

[MR]

It'd be interesting M_R to see if this translated to his kicking skills test at the combine ? If so I'd guess our guys would be all over both stats and select accordingly, given our focus on foot skills in drafting over the last few years.

He came equal first for goal-kicking but not top 15 for the field kicking.

I'm not attacking his kicking, I was just pointing out that stats don't tell the truth. Stringer's kicking is nowhere near the more concerning worries.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I'm still thinking Mayes if he is there. We still need good kicks!