2012 draft

[Wacky Tiger]

Geez pop on this morning and i get all this excited talk of Grundy possibly sliding to us. My perfect scenario in this case. Vlaustin would be great, Macrea would be great, and of the other mids possibly sliding would be great. Grundy wont be compared to these other so much. Still i find it unlikely he last this long but the thought of Him and Vickery tag teaming in the future from the fwd line just gets me very excited.

 

[Tigerbob]

Every draft there are misses from the early picks, that is kids who don't make the grade.
So, some questions for those with all the inside info.

if you had to nominate 2 of the top dozen prospects who you would put you balls on the line for in saying they will definitely make the grade (not necessarily become the best), who would they be?

On the flip side, who would the the two most likely to fall by the wayside?

How strong would the go home factor be for Grundy if he moved interstate? Is he the sort of bloke who just makes home where he is and gets on with life, or would his heart always be back is SA?

I would say Grundy and Whitfield.

Reasons:

You can't have the assets they have and not make some sort of impact. For mine, Grundy's aggression, agility, height and ability overhead means he will make the grade. He doesn't need to add any weight, the boy is a gym junkie and is already 100kg. So thats another issue tall players face that he won't have to. The thing that makes him a lock though is his competitiveness for a big man which comes with aggression. You can be built like him all you like, if you mentally are not aggressive there will be issues. See Angus Graham. Grundy would make Angus cry. The boy is fierce.

Whitfield comes with a unique skill and probably the most elite endurance game I have seen from a top end kid in the draft. His ability to be already at an AFL elite standard fitness base is quite amazing and why he is being talked about the number one pick all year basically. He is great overhead, smart and has elite skills. I think Toumpas is a lock too myself and in my opinion, will excite more than Whitfield, he is just built that way, but Toumpas comes with hip injuries and for me, that elite endurance of Whitfield is something that is amazing. So if I had to name two, these two have enough elite qualities already that tells me they won't be busts.

Two most likely to fail?

O'Rourke and Mayes

Reasons:

Both very good players, i'll start with O'Rourke. His ability to get the ball in all situations is of high quality, he is a very good user of the ball and super smart. He is lean and has had injury worries in the past that is always a worry. I don't think he will be a bust at all, but may not live up to expectations of a top 3 pick, some may say too vanilla for that esteem.

Mayes for me is simply a beautiful player. He glides around, is up there with the best kicks in the draft and composed. He has played and played well against men and definitely won't be a bust, but will he impact a game and get as much of the ball at the next level if he is a top 5 pick? I think if developed right he could, but that is the questions for mine. I didn't put Stringer in here, but if he does go top 5 then yes he needs to be placed here. I think he could be an amazing footballer at AFL level, but oh that leg. I know he played a whole year, but his work will need to be increased going up another level. It is sad cause he would be number one if it wasn't for that leg, but it happened so it impacts here.

I will say, I don't think there will be any "busts" so to speak in this years top 10. Just depends on the expectations of the kid. Easy to think Whitfield went number one so he should be ten times the player of say a Macrae. In truth he won't be, because this is one hell of an even draft. I think all these players will impact the league, some more than others, injuries permitting. The club that gets them impacts the development also. Some kids fit certain clubs. I think this is the most interesting draft I can remember.

On your last point, none. He is a terrific character, a man among boys, level headed and will love the AFL environment. A kid who I think will fit in to our group. Go home factors are rare and happen if situations impact the kid. I don't see that with Grundy at all. Take him if he is there.

 

[Danog]

Theirs a sister as well, think she works at the Bumbers.
Not bad either if you know what i mean

Jeez. Their dad doesn't mess around. Take notes, Lids and Cotch!

 

[tigs2010]

lol
stringer due to his injury?

Partly. He can't kick on his left because it hurts. Also don't think he's that good tbh. He's 10 times the size the kids he plays on at TAC level. At Champs he looked no better than a 2nd/3rd rounder IMO. Also, I think it was TFLUA who said he's not a very high character kid and someone else mentioned he yells abuse at his teammates. Pass from me.

 

[MR]

Partly. He can't kick on his left because it hurts. Also don't think he's that good tbh. He's 10 times the size the kids he plays on at TAC level. At Champs he looked no better than a 2nd/3rd rounder IMO. Also, I think it was TFLUA who said he's not a very high character kid and someone else mentioned he yells abuse at his teammates. Pass from me.

Yeah, he is a bad character. He is selfish in a way that he wants all the glory, even if there is a teammate who is a better option. He also abuses teammates and has a bad attitude. I wouldn't knock his ability though, he is a very good footballer and he would be considered a top 3 pick without the leg problems.

 

[CallMeAl]

thanks for the responses.
appreciated

 

[MR]

Martin_Riewoldt -How do you compare this years draft to last years and next years? It was considered a bounty earlier in the year but GCS opted out, though that may have been for list management reasons, and the Dee's seemed to think that Hogan was going to be better than anything in the years draft available to them. Just trying to get a perspective on what was in my opinion huge overs paid for the mini-draft selections.

Next year's draft >> This year's draft >>>>> Last year's draft

I personally believe that last year's pool was nothing special. However, that was largely due to the fact that GWS had so many pre-listings. If you had in Cameron, Shiel, Bugg, Treloar etc it becomes one of the better draft pools of recent years. This year is a strong pool, but nowhere near the 'super draft' that was claimed early in the year. I truly believe next year will be the super draft, it is a very very strong pool and a lot of the players were dominating in the Under 18s this year.

Demons wanted an A-grade KPF which they would have in the next 10 years. However, this year, the only pure KPF options were Shaw and Jaksch, (Membrey will likely be a leading HFF in the AFL)

They obviously and rightly believed that the best possible way to gain the CHF they so desperately need was to tap into next year's pool, which features some good KPP in the opening picks. They obviously paid overs for him, but that was the price to get Viney at 26. So when you balance it out, it was more like 3, 13. 26 for Viney, Hogan and Pick 20, which is a good deal for them.

 

[theflea]

I posted this on the Carlton board, but figured you lot would find it handy also,

Emma Quayle was on SEN yesterday morning discussing the draft, she had some pretty interesting thoughts:

• GWS will select: (1) Whitfield, (2) Toumpas, (3) Menzel
• Grundy will slide as far as Richmond's selection (Pick #9).
• Wines a certainty to be picked up by Melbourne at Pick #4.
• Menzel is her pick to be the best player in the draft, has the ability to break games open and turn them on their head, and that will appeal to GWS, especially given their number of picks, they can afford to take a risk given his injuries.

the reference about grundy was my text message question. i asked whether since gws are interested in tippett would gws not select grundy and slide to pick 9. her answer was he could slide that far but most likely go to port at 7.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

the reference about grundy was my text message question. i asked whether since gws are interested in tippett would gws not select grundy and slide to pick 9. her answer was he could slide that far but most likely go to port at 7.

ah bugger. thanks for bringing us back to reality flea

 

[theflea]

ah bugger. thanks for bringing us back to reality flea

we still dont know how gws and port will think tho. port with lobbe,redden and renouf and pick another ruck?

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Enjoyed the reading and input from people who follow the younger talent its been great.

From what i have gathered most would be happy with Vlaustin or Grundy if he slides to pick#9
My only question is can a side have too many talls? I would have thought we are hoping Griffiths will fill the role of 200cm foward/ruck

The more i read about Vlaustin to more i like him. Article in ALF.com rated his attack on the ball similar to Morris. F*** i would love to
see another player like Morris at the Richmond football club. Especially one with silkier skills and a bigger body. Personally i can see Vlaustin
being Hardwicks secret love child and he would add to the style of play that Hardwick is teaching the boys to play.

Vlaustin for me. You dont need to be lighting quick if you can put your head down run through brick walls.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Enjoyed the reading and input from people who follow the younger talent its been great.

From what i have gathered most would be happy with Vlaustin or Grundy if he slides to pick#9
My only question is can a side have too many talls? I would have thought we are hoping Griffiths will fill the role of 200cm foward/ruck

The more i read about Vlaustin to more i like him. Article in ALF.com rated his attack on the ball similar to Morris. F*** i would love to
see another player like Morris at the Richmond football club. Especially one with silkier skills and a bigger body. Personally i can see Vlaustin
being Hardwicks secret love child and he would add to the style of play that Hardwick is teaching the boys to play.

Vlaustin for me. You dont need to be lighting quick if you can put your head down run through brick walls.

Very good point. Id be happy with either TBH. Draft cant come soon enough

 

[JR#8]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling we will have a "left field" pick again and pick someone who isn't even touted in the top 10?

 

[tigs2010]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling we will have a "left field" pick again and pick someone who isn't even touted in the top 10?

Nope. It will be Vlastuin unless someone slides.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling we will have a "left field" pick again and pick someone who isn't even touted in the top 10?

To be fair Vlaustin would be the left of field pick, only difference is we have heard that we are keen on him further away from the draft then Ellis and Conca who were leaked closer to draft day. Though we may not be as heavily interested in Vlaustin as what is being rumoured.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling we will have a "left field" pick again and pick someone who isn't even touted in the top 10?

Garner???

 

[fargothegreat]

1. Whitfield
2. Toumpas
3. Menzel
4. Wines
5. O'Rourke
6. Stringer
7. Mayes
8. Macrae
9. Grundy
10. Daniher

It is very possible that the draft could play out with Grundy available at 9. Even if he wasn't, I'd still be very happy with Vlastuin. Plowman is another player who is likely to be available at our pick, as is Macrae.

 

[MR]

To be fair Vlaustin would be the left of field pick, only difference is we have heard that we are keen on him further away from the draft then Ellis and Conca who were leaked closer to draft day. Though we may not be as heavily interested in Vlaustin as what is being rumoured.

He's not a left-field pick at all. He's actually split among most clubs. Some have him top 5, some have him at around 12-15. 9 would be suitable for him.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

I reckon O'Rourke and Mayes will slide and Port will take Grundy at 7.

We will take Vlas at 9 unless Grundy/Stringer slip to 9

 

[tigs2010]

I reckon O'Rourke and Mayes will slide and Port will take Grundy at 7.

We will take Vlas at 9 unless Grundy/Stringer slip to 9

We won't take Stringer.

 

[tigs2010]

He's not a left-field pick at all. He's actually split among most clubs. Some have him top 5, some have him at around 12-15. 9 would be suitable for him.

Any idea which clubs rate him top 5? Will anyone take him first?

 

[bigstyletiger]

1. Whitfield
2. ToumpasL
3. Menzel
4. Wines
5. O'Rourke
6. Stringer
7. Mayes
8. Macrae
9. Grundy
10. Daniher

It is very possible that the draft could play out with Grundy available at 9. Even if he wasn't, I'd still be very happy with Vlastuin. Plowman is another player who is likely to be available at our pick, as is Macrae.

Grundy will go before 9. Just too rare to pass up on that kind of player. Mayes is not top 8 material for me - not in front of macrea or Grundy anyway. Just doesn't get the ball enough and doesn't look hard enough at the ball. If Ploughman is available at 9 I think I would call out his number. Looks like he could be a big bodied mid. Just his will and ability to take on the tackler, side step and don't argue has a lot of Dustin Martin about it. I would be taking him and showing him heaps of Josh Kennedy tape. Would love him in the rotation. At worst will be a Sam Fisher type who along with Rance, Batch and Grimes would give us so much rebound and aerial control in the back half.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

He's not a left-field pick at all. He's actually split among most clubs. Some have him top 5, some have him at around 12-15. 9 would be suitable for him.

I don't personally think his a left field pick but many people on here didn't consider him a top 10 pick at best until recently and I don't know how clubs rate him but I'm sure there are some that don't rate him and some that rate him very high as his the type of player where some clubs(recruiters) will love the way he plays and others who don't and would prefer a gartlett type player.

 

[Harmichael]

Seeing as it's highly improbable we'll take Gartlett, are there any players similar to him that might still be available at our later picks and if so, are we a chance to select them?

 

[TheTigerEffect]

Honestly, like most here, I would be stoked if Grundy slipped to pick 9 but he will probably be picked up before then. Don't discount the Bulldogs picking him up. Another player who could slide is Dayle Garlett. He is an obvious talent but most clubs will be turned away because of past indiscretions. Wouldn't risk him with pick 9 but if somehow (again highly unlikely) he slipped to pick 32, he'd be a steal. Honestly, pick 9 looks like Macrae or Vlaustin. Really like the way both play even though they play very differently. Whichever we don't pick will probably be picked up by Gold Coast at pick 13 so it's a tough call. If I was going to pick one, I'd go with Vlaustin just because his attack on the ball and leadership means he could be ready round 1.