2012 Prototype Teams

[54Dogs]

Dream Team Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by NT.Thunder. Salary cap left: $25,500.

Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Paul Duffield, Marty Clarke, Paul Bower, Sam Docherty
Tim Mohr, Lee Spurr

Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Thompson, Michael Barlow, Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Stephen Coniglio, James McDonald

Aaron Sandilands, Hamish McIntosh
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Paul Chapman, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams, Nick Riewoldt, Alan Didak, Jason Porplyzia, Billie Smedts
Adam Treloar, Ahmed Saad

Well, here's a team I put together in 5 mins before i go and blow all my money at the races and get shit faced......Back to the team....Any advice from the guru's?

Duffield I'll watch pre-season and see what role he takes, may be able to make up a few extra points under a new coach. Bower may be worth a punt if injuries to some Carlton backs keep him in the side.

Swan, Ablett and Thompson are genuine captain choices and the draw ST has is too hard for me to ignore for now. With an improving Adl he scould end up a top 5 mid.

Pretty stock standard team few concerns with Dids and Porps but still time to tinker.

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Geez I like that midfield. ST really playing with my head. His draw is incredible and perfect for a guy like him who goes huge without attention. Key decision for me is whether to start with him of trade into him after Rd 11 because of the early bye.

Your fwd line could present issues in Rd 12 with Beams, Didak, Chapman and Smedts all with the week off

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

Geez I like that midfield. ST really playing with my head. His draw is incredible and perfect for a guy like him who goes huge without attention. Key decision for me is whether to start with him of trade into him after Rd 11 because of the early bye.

Your fwd line could present issues in Rd 12 with Beams, Didak, Chapman and Smedts all with the week off

Any suggestions for a round 11 alternative Dogs?

 

[longytap]

Geez I like that midfield. ST really playing with my head. His draw is incredible and perfect for a guy like him who goes huge without attention. Key decision for me is whether to start with him of trade into him after Rd 11 because of the early bye.

Your fwd line could present issues in Rd 12 with Beams, Didak, Chapman and Smedts all with the week off

Having the same thought with ST, I actually think the second half of Adelaides draw is softer than the first 11 rounds?
Iv'e gone Selwood instead ATM due to reasons such as he's younger, plays in a better side, has avg'd over 100 since 09, in contrast ST has avg'd 99,98,96,109.
I also prefer Selwoods round 12 bye. Decisions???

 

[54Dogs]

Any suggestions for a round 11 alternative Dogs?

lol none that stand out.

You could argue cases for Brown who's training well, Danger with the good draw or potentially LeCras to take the next step. LeCras has had a big pre season so far and might sneak into that Thomas / Cloke category of breaking out the year after expected. Even though last year for him was solid I think he's got more in him.

The key point with 4 starters in the same position with the same bye is that before you get a player dropped, injured or suspended you're wearing 2 donuts. Plus you essentially can't trade any more premiums into that position with the Rd 12 bye early in the year or it means more donuts.

I think Beams is a luxury that's not needed in that team. No upside and the Rd 12 bye he could easily turn into one of the aforementioned Rd 11 players. Smedts is not so much an issue as he won't be there at the end and could be moved on before his bye.

Each to their own but personally I'm looking for solid balance in premiums through the byes, as long as quality isn't sacrificed. I might like Swan, Pendles, Selwood and Barlow as my top 4 premium mids but it's not viable as they all have the Rd 12 bye. So I need to make a decision on which 2 are a priority and look to others like Rocky, ST, Boyd, Ablett, Gibbs as the other 2 premiums.

The mids with 6 and rucks with 2 should be able to be spread across 3 byes without sacrificing quality too much. Fwds and Back are tougher because of 7 starters and some ordinary Rd 11 options. Still working through that.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

lol none that stand out.

You could argue cases for Brown who's training well, Danger with the good draw or potentially LeCras to take the next step. LeCras has had a big pre season so far and might sneak into that Thomas / Cloke category of breaking out the year after expected. Even though last year for him was solid I think he's got more in him.

The key point with 4 starters in the same position with the same bye is that before you get a player dropped, injured or suspended you're wearing 2 donuts. Plus you essentially can't trade any more premiums into that position with the Rd 12 bye early in the year or it means more donuts.

I think Beams is a luxury that's not needed in that team. No upside and the Rd 12 bye he could easily turn into one of the aforementioned Rd 11 players. Smedts is not so much an issue as he won't be there at the end and could be moved on before his bye.

Each to their own but personally I'm looking for solid balance in premiums through the byes, as long as quality isn't sacrificed. I might like Swan, Pendles, Selwood and Barlow as my top 4 premium mids but it's not viable as they all have the Rd 12 bye. So I need to make a decision on which 2 are a priority and look to others like Rocky, ST, Boyd, Ablett, Gibbs as the other 2 premiums.

The mids with 6 and rucks with 2 should be able to be spread across 3 byes without sacrificing quality too much. Fwds and Back are tougher because of 7 starters and some ordinary Rd 11 options. Still working through that.

Yep, it's a bit of a conundrum with the lack of bona fide fwd/back options that have the round 11 bye. LeCras and Brown look reasonable options up forward. LeCras more a p7 keeper with a bit of upside while Brown has the more upside but the injury risk is real and is doubtful to attain keeper status.

There is a decided dearth of rnd 11 backs that will cut the mustard. Maybe Lake as a cash cow but he is still in the rehab group and his appeal value is reducing.

With many of the rnd 12 fwd options having C/F DPP you could possibly switch one into the midfield provided you have gone light with rnd 12 midfielders; but that could derail your season too.

 

[Keystone agony]

Geez I like that midfield. ST really playing with my head. His draw is incredible and perfect for a guy like him who goes huge without attention. Key decision for me is whether to start with him of trade into him after Rd 11 because of the early bye.

Your fwd line could present issues in Rd 12 with Beams, Didak, Chapman and Smedts all with the week off

Smedts is a rookie and carries a B/F tag he can be traded to just about any position in this team if you trade carefully.

When the byes come around you people will be nearing a completed side with aggressive early trading . So if you have 7 premiums completed in your forwards it means you have to have 3 premiums in A bye round at least.

Also as NTT said not really any R11 prems that standout. Brown is the best for me.

Im gonna try and pick a forward side that i dont need to do much trading with until after the byes when i can bring in some of the top scorers in Chapman, SJ, Fyfe ect

While in the mids and rucks if you trade the right premiums in you can still mathematically avoid a zero.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Pretty much agree with what has been said regarding the byes.

Round 11 is so thin for talent in the backline it's just not worth the hassle. I'll most likely just chuck R13 out the window and bring in whatever premiums I want, with GWS or R11 rookies filling out the bench. I'd rather have 2 donuts in the backline in R13 and sacrifice a round than I would having sub-standard premiums like Adcock all year.

Rucks and Mids are managable and the Forwards have some decent Round 11 talent which makes avoiding a donut in those positions much easier.

 

[Keystone agony]

Pretty much agree with what has been said regarding the byes.

Round 11 is so thin for talent in the backline it's just not worth the hassle. I'll most likely just chuck R13 out the window and bring in whatever premiums I want, with GWS or R11 rookies filling out the bench. I'd rather have 2 donuts in the backline in R13 and sacrifice a round than I would having sub-standard premiums like Adcock all year.

Rucks and Mids are managable and the Forwards have some decent Round 11 talent which makes avoiding a donut in those positions much easier.

Enlighten me

 

[Jobe Watson]

Enlighten me

J.Brown as a cheapie who should return to premium status, B.Harvey who should at least maintain. Adams and LeCras could step it up.

Looking more in depth at it now, forwards probably are a bit more thinner for R11 talent than I initially thought. But the backline is worse off. There's Adcock and...

 

[Keystone agony]

J.Brown as a cheapie who should return to premium status, B.Harvey who should at least maintain. Adams and LeCras could step it up.

Looking more in depth at it now, forwards probably are a bit more thinner for R11 talent than I initially thought. But the backline is worse off. There's Adcock and...

Yeh R11 just sucks overall, except for the rucks and a few mids.

 

[Jars458]

Brendon Goddard, Brett Deledio, Corey Enright, Marty Clarke, Brandon Ellis, Sam Darley, Steven Morris
Luke Brown, Beau Wilkes

Scott Pendlebury, Gary Ablett jnr, Dane Swan, Scott Thompson, Lenny Hayes, Curtly Hampton
Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel

Shane Mumford, Sam Jacobs
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Shaun Higgins, Jonathan Brown, Allen Christensen, Jason Porplyzia, Billie Smedts
Adam Treloar, Tommy Walsh

How does this look? Not sure of salary cap as I did it in supercoach. I try and have very similar teams in both to keep it simple. Felt like trying a midfield heavy approach this year. Not likley to have both Ellis and Morriss and obviously will look at NAB form for rookies in particular.

 

[nameless]

Brendon Goddard, Brett Deledio, Corey Enright, Marty Clarke, Brandon Ellis, Sam Darley, Steven Morris
Luke Brown, Beau Wilkes

Scott Pendlebury, Gary Ablett jnr, Dane Swan, Scott Thompson, Lenny Hayes, Curtly Hampton
Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel

Shane Mumford, Sam Jacobs
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Shaun Higgins, Jonathan Brown, Allen Christensen, Jason Porplyzia, Billie Smedts
Adam Treloar, Tommy Walsh

How does this look? Not sure of salary cap as I did it in supercoach. I try and have very similar teams in both to keep it simple. Felt like trying a midfield heavy approach this year. Not likley to have both Ellis and Morriss and obviously will look at NAB form for rookies in particular.

Personally don't think your fwds have enough firepower, Higgins will get injured, and with Porps and Brown could be down a few players. Solid value i suppose, just see you using a lot of trades to upgrade them all.

Generally a nice balance throughout the team though.

Personally i've gone something a bit different.

Salary cap left: $50,800.

Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Matt Suckling, Greg Broughton, Jack Grimes, Marty Clarke
Brandon Ellis, Billie Smedts

Gary Ablett jnr, Chad Wingard, Sam Docherty, Anthony Miles, Dylan Shiel, Koby Stevens
Adam Treloar, Dayne Zorko

Matthew Leuenberger, Shane Mumford
Josh Jenkins, Orren Stephenson

Steve Johnson, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams, Adam Goodes, Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Jason Porplyzia
Devon Smith, Tommy Walsh

Few players still tossing up between, but generally this will be my structure.

 

[nohairandfair]

Personally don't think your fwds have enough firepower, Higgins will get injured, and with Porps and Brown could be down a few players. Solid value i suppose, just see you using a lot of trades to upgrade them all.

Generally a nice balance throughout the team though.

Personally i've gone something a bit different.

Salary cap left: $50,800.

Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Matt Suckling, Greg Broughton, Jack Grimes, Marty Clarke
Brandon Ellis, Billie Smedts

Gary Ablett jnr, Chad Wingard, Sam Docherty, Anthony Miles, Dylan Shiel, Koby Stevens
Adam Treloar, Dayne Zorko

Matthew Leuenberger, Shane Mumford
Josh Jenkins, Orren Stephenson

Steve Johnson, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams, Adam Goodes, Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Jason Porplyzia
Devon Smith, Tommy Walsh

Few players still tossing up between, but generally this will be my structure.

Your midfield has probably too many rookies that will struggle to play regular early games.


DEF: H. Shaw, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, R. Conca, M. Clarke, B. Smedts, S. Darley (T. Mohr, S. Morris)
MID: D. Swan, G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, M. Barlow, L. Hayes, S. Clifton (D. Shiel, J. McDonald)
RUC: A. Sandilands, H. McIntosh (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: P. Chapman, L. Franklin, D. Martin, A. Didak, A. Christensen, J. Brown, D. Zorko (A. Treloar, C. Hampton)
CASH LEFT: $17,000

 

[Keystone agony]

I think some sort of balance is really important. Example if you have picked one premium midfielder and 7 premium forwards and for case example you dont have Buddy in those starting 7 (can be any other top premium player) than what happens if he comes out bangs 4 100's he is looking good, than he rolls his ankle gets subbed off on 15 points and the next week he gets concussed subbed off for another 15 points. He than has a less than average game and scores 70 against tough oppo, his price is going to be plummeting but you already have 7 premium forwards so upgrading to him really isnt going to maximize you many points, so you miss out on great value.

Im also really not to sure about the forward rookies, i like Treloar and Zorko atm, but picking them in the midfield really makes your forward rookies look avg atm. We will know more after NAB and where the strengths lie in the rookies, but for me i like the back rookies and midfield rookies for now.

Interesting not many people are picking Lake. Im not sure how his preseason has been, but IMO he has alot of value still. He avg 100 only the year before and if hes right for round 1 and has played a nab game than hes hard value to overlook even if he doesnt make premium status, he still becomes a good pick. Any reason why Lake isnt being picked?

 

[nameless]

Your midfield has probably too many rookies that will struggle to play regular early games.

Oh yeah, just trying to differentiate, traditionally the mids are the best rookies, got a few DPP's in there too, will view NAB to get best rookies and just hope for a lot of luck.

I'm just gonna try it though, see how i go.

 

[Elroy67]

The byes are really doing my head in.

I am wondering if the best way to cope is manage the upgrades around the byes where possible?

Traditionally I would look to spend the maximum amount possible with a little left over. With the distribution of the byes this year, I am thinking of keeping a heap in the bank to make use of the 3 trades/week for rounds 11-13.

To that end, I'm looking at a structure that moves the impact of the byes to rd 12 and 13 with a view to upgrading into players who have the bye in rd 11 and 12 respectively.

I'm not thrilled with my starting line-up atm, but have yet to do the math to see if there are any real benefits.

FWIW:
Playing the byes Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by elroy67. Salary cap left: $958,700.

Brendon Goddard, Brett Deledio, Greg Broughton, Brian Lake, Matthew Buntine, Marty Clarke, Brandon Ellis
Steven Morris, Nathan Blee

Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson, Chad Wingard, Kyal Horsely
Darren Pfeiffer, Tom Mitchell

Shane Mumford, Ben McEvoy
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Steve Johnson, Travis Cloke, Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Matthew Bate, Billie Smedts, Adam Treloar
Tommy Walsh, Dayne Zorko

 

[Hank93]

I have a little bit of a conspiracy on the byes. There just seems to be too much of a coincidence in regards to which teams have the bye and it's permutations to DT and SC.

R11 with the rucks, R12 with the mids and Forwards and Round 13 in the backs.

I almost think the AFL have done these byes deliberatly just to make DT and SC a little more challenging.

They could have easily made the byes just a simple split round. 5 matches in part 1 and 4 matches in part 2.

 

[Blues_FC]

I have a little bit of a conspiracy on the byes. There just seems to be too much of a coincidence in regards to which teams have the bye and it's permutations to DT and SC.

R11 with the rucks, R12 with the mids and Forwards and Round 13 in the backs.

I almost think the AFL have done these byes deliberatly just to make DT and SC a little more challenging.

They could have easily made the byes just a simple split round. 5 matches in part 1 and 4 matches in part 2.

You're dreaming if you think the AFL gave even 1% of a shit about DT when arranging the fixture for the season. Pretty sure Andy D knows nothing about DT.

 

[Keystone agony]

Oh yeah, just trying to differentiate, traditionally the mids are the best rookies, got a few DPP's in there too, will view NAB to get best rookies and just hope for a lot of luck.

I'm just gonna try it though, see how i go.

You can also argue that they avg to furtherest away from the top end premiums aswell. What i mean is example Swallow (GC) avg 80, Swan avgs 120. Heppell avg 83, Scottland 99, Darling 67, Buddy 101 ect. Now this isnt about saying we will always have a Heppell just about the differential between what rookies avg compared to the players you want in your final side Swan, Buddy, Pendles ect and the difference in price for upgrading.

I think LemminMaster went with this philosophy a bit last year, dont think he was too happy with it, but it holds some water.

 

[Hank93]

You're dreaming if you think the AFL gave even 1% of a shit about DT when arranging the fixture for the season. Pretty sure Andy D knows nothing about DT.

I know it's fanciful, I'm just trying to give my self some way of not going insane over they byes.

I'd love to know why they went with this format though. The split round worked perfectly well IMO.

 

[Wheedus]

I know it's fanciful, I'm just trying to give my self some way of not going insane over they byes.

I'd love to know why they went with this format though. The split round worked perfectly well IMO.

I believe they're following the NFL model. We get all our good ideas from America

 

[iamthestig]

I think some sort of balance is really important. Example if you have picked one premium midfielder and 7 premium forwards and for case example you dont have Buddy in those starting 7 (can be any other top premium player) than what happens if he comes out bangs 4 100's he is looking good, than he rolls his ankle gets subbed off on 15 points and the next week he gets concussed subbed off for another 15 points. He than has a less than average game and scores 70 against tough oppo, his price is going to be plummeting but you already have 7 premium forwards so upgrading to him really isnt going to maximize you many points, so you miss out on great value.

Im also really not to sure about the forward rookies, i like Treloar and Zorko atm, but picking them in the midfield really makes your forward rookies look avg atm. We will know more after NAB and where the strengths lie in the rookies, but for me i like the back rookies and midfield rookies for now.
Interesting not many people are picking Lake. Im not sure how his preseason has been, but IMO he has alot of value still. He avg 100 only the year before and if hes right for round 1 and has played a nab game than hes hard value to overlook even if he doesnt make premium status, he still becomes a good pick. Any reason why Lake isnt being picked?

Getting older and it doesn't seem like he's flying at the moment.

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/01/16/brian-lake-with-calf-strain/

 

[Keystone agony]

Getting older and it doesn't seem like he's flying at the moment.

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/01/16/brian-lake-with-calf-strain/

That would hurt the structure if he isnt right for round 1 and in any good shape. Some people said he was old 18 months ago.

 

[cfx_1]

I would love to have Lake in my team, but my back-up is Billie Smedts. He looks the goods so far but as all rookies go i will have to take a look through the NAB cup.. Anyhoo this is my final prototype team till the NAB. Would appreciate any and all feedback.. To me it looks great atm..

TEAM NAME: Test 3
DEF: B. Goddard, H. Shaw, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke
(K. Aylett, B. Wilkes)
MID: D. Swan, G. Ablett jnr, L. Hayes, C. Wingard, S. Docherty, S. Clifton
(D. Zorko, T. Mitchell)
RUC: D. Cox, M. Leuenberger
(J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Robinson, D. Zaharakis, D. Martin, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, S. Reid, A. Saad (A. Treloar, A. Sexton)
CASH LEFT: $0

I think the forward line is the most exciting but also the one with the most risk.. I don't see any reason why all of the first 4 can't raise their PPG by 10 per game, Brown is injury dependent and Reid I like as a unique cash cow. Hoping he can average around 80.

 

[BigVic]

TEAM NAME: Big V Superstars
DEF: B Goddard, B Deledio, G Broughton, D Heppell, B Lake, M Clarke, B Ellis (B Smedts, L Brown)
MID: D Swan, G Ablett, M Murphy, M Barlow, S Coniglio, D Shiel (K Stevens, T Mitchell)
RUC: D Cox, H McIntosh (J Giles, O Stephenson)
FWD: B Franklin, N Fyfe, D Zaharakis, D Martin, J Brown, J Cameron, T Walsh, D Zorko, A Treolar)
CASH LEFT: $48, 400

Who should I get
D Heppell v M Suckling/G Birchall
Murphy v Rockliff
H Mac?
Also Barlow v Hayes
Fyfe or Beams?
What do u think of my team so far?