2012 Prototype Teams

[HolyRioli]

I wonder if Hodge will go back to DEF eligibility next year - has played a fair amount of time there this year

 

[James]

I'm more curious as to which players who currently aren't DPP get Multi Position status next season or moved to a different position altogether. Might make some 2011 DT irrelevant players quite appealing in 2012.

Possible DP status in 2011
Ryder B/R
Kruezer R/F
Pederson B/F
Broughton B/M
Bartel M/F
Z Smith R/F
Hodge B/M
S Martin B/R
Houli B/M
D Stanley M/F
Burgoyne; B/M
Adcock: B/M
Le Cras: M/F
Watts: B/F
J Westhoff M/F
Nicoski B/F
Lower B/M
M Clark R/F
Puopolo B/F
Z Clarke M/R ?
Suckling B/M
Maxwell B/F


Possible Positional change
Yarran: F > B
Leon Davis: F > B
Mzungu: M/F > B/M
A Walker M > F
D Stanley B > M/F
Vickery: R > F
S Reid B > F
Tapscott: F > B

 

[Jars458]

I am thinking Sam Jacobs could be a very good ruck next year. His last third of the season has been very good and you think he will only improve from here.

Forward and back premiums will be hard to find next year, it may mean having all your premiums in the mifidield and ruck and hoping enough of the rokkies are listed as backs or forwards.

 

[Philzsay]

I'm more curious as to which players who currently aren't DPP get Multi Position status next season or moved to a different position altogether. Might make some 2011 DT irrelevant players quite appealing in 2012.

Possible DP status in 2011
Ryder B/R

Just the one point, Ryder only really played once in the backline this year against Cloke, so doubt he will be B/R next year, he should be R/F.

 

[Spider Klein]

I'm more curious as to which players who currently aren't DPP get Multi Position status next season or moved to a different position altogether. Might make some 2011 DT irrelevant players quite appealing in 2012.

Possible DP status in 2011
Ryder B/R
Kruezer R/F
Pederson B/F
Broughton B/M
Bartel M/F
Z Smith R/F
Hodge B/M
S Martin B/R
Houli B/M
D Stanley M/F
Burgoyne; B/M
Adcock: B/M
Le Cras: M/F
Watts: B/F
J Westhoff M/F
Nicoski B/F
Lower B/M
M Clark R/F
Puopolo B/F
Z Clarke M/R ?
Suckling B/M
Maxwell B/F


Possible Positional change
Yarran: F > B
Leon Davis: F > B
Mzungu: M/F > B/M
A Walker M > F
D Stanley B > M/F
Vickery: R > F
S Reid B > F
Tapscott: F > B

For me the main reason a DT irrelevant player of 2011 can come into contention if they become either a Back or Forward.

DP is great but realistically you want to get the best backs.

Deledio is the classic example of this

2009 picked a lot as a forward
2010 largely ignored as not a great mid option
2011 in most teams as a back

So from your list I really only see Bartel (f) and Hodge (b) being useful changes. All those others yes it adds DP but really if you are playing them as mid you are probably wasting them.

 

[James]

For me the main reason a DT irrelevant player of 2011 can come into contention if they become either a Back or Forward.

DP is great but realistically you want to get the best backs.

Deledio is the classic example of this

2009 picked a lot as a forward
2010 largely ignored as not a great mid option
2011 in most teams as a back

So from your list I really only see Bartel (f) and Hodge (b) being useful changes. All those others yes it adds DP but really if you are playing them as mid you are probably wasting them.

Broughton, Burgoyne, Adcock & Suckling could all come in very handy as B/M options to cover for M injuries with their scoring potential.

 

[Spider Klein]

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I did note that they added DP which was useful but personally the DP link in a season where there are no byes is most useful with fringe players rather than premiums.

It's not the scoring potential of the player that you are DP'ing (suckling and co above) it is the scoring potential of the back reserve you would have to use in Suckling's spot in order to cover for your mids.

I know Stanley and Lower have come through but it is very rare you are wanting your back reserve to play over a mid reserve.

 

[Hawkage]

Jack Redden and Tom Rockliff from the lions are still young and averaging 110 this year- so every team should have one or both of them next year.

 

[Keystone agony]

Broughton, Burgoyne, Adcock & Suckling could all come in very handy as B/M options to cover for M injuries with their scoring potential.

You will also be paying upwards of 350k for most of them

 

[Keystone agony]

Will be going through all 17 teams and looking at players who i think are players that you need to at least think about for 2012. Ill certainly miss a few, so anyone who thinks ive missed someone than please mention them.

Starting with Adelaide. A team that has struggled this year, i think can only improve.

P.Davis - under priced due to injury and going to GWS
Douglas - Wasnt long ago that he had a stellar back half to 2010. Only avg 77 this year.
Dangerfield - Could become a full time midfielder next year and i liken him to Ziebell
Mackay - injury has made him avg just 60 this year
Sloane - On the rise and seems to have really done well under Bickley
B.Smith - avg affected by being the sub in which he has scored under 13 on 3 occasions
Vince - Injury affected, possible keeper. However on going knee injuries are a concern
Porplyzia - Has played just the one game in which he avg 16, so he could possibly be the cheapest player in the game next year
Vanberlo - His last 4 games under Bickley he has scored over 100 and it has been due to a midfield move
Jacobs - You will be paying for him avg 90~

Bewick - affected alot by the sub and is mature age
Brown - Injuries
M.Clark - Should only be a forward next year, but what club he plays for next year will determine whether he is a good buy at 70
Leuenberger - Has been super impressive of late and could be apart of the "changing of the guard" in regards to rucks. Priced at 92 but could avg 100+ in 2012.
Redden - So many 110+ scores, if black and power play on than he misses the tag on most occasions
Rockliff - In the exact same category as Redden, knows how to put at the big scores
Rich - Seems to attract the tag more often than the above 2, but if that shifts than he could be severely under priced at 77

Duigan - I know people dont like to pick 2nd year players like him. But i just feel he could be better used as a rebounding defender rather than a defensive defender. Really depends where Gibbs plays and if Russel is best 22
Garlett - Could go to a new level playing a Nahas type wing role
Gibbs If he keeps his back eligibility than he is just a solid safe premium pick
K.Lucas - Only played the one game, expect a discount and can amass the possess when he plays
M.Murphy - ever consistent has scored under 86 once this year
K.Simpson - avg 10 under his previous year, took a while to get going
Waite - Injury has affected him, avg about 15 under previous years. With an improved midfield he could get better supply
Judd - Besides the hawks game had avg 116 in the past 2 months
Yarran - will he be able to break a tag and increase his 73 avg into being a keeper back
Robinson - Can he improve on a 92 avg and become a midfield premium

 

[Atavistic]

Just the one point, Ryder only really played once in the backline this year against Cloke, so doubt he will be B/R next year, he should be R/F.

Correct, and he should prove good value as well, especially if he plays mostly in the ruck.

I would love Watson to be a M/F, though it probably won't happen. He hasn't played forward enough, has he?

 

[Buddyman]

Nah, I reckon if the 'resting' up forward would have given anyone DP, ot had to be GAJ last season...
One thing to remember is that they choose DP, not only on what they did last year but also Champion Data choose there positioning due to where they think Player A will play in 2012

 

[James]

Nah, I reckon if the 'resting' up forward would have given anyone DP, ot had to be GAJ last season...
One thing to remember is that they choose DP, not only on what they did last year but also Champion Data choose there positioning due to where they think Player A will play in 2012

Like Andrew Walker being a midfielder this year. Seems to me CD sometimes pick a players position based on a club saying "where going to play player X in the midfield this year" or player X has played a few NAB Cup games in the forward line, there for he must be going to be a forward this year, when in reality a club might just be experimenting during the pre-season and player X will resume his regular role once the season proper starts.

 

[ShueytoGaff]

A few Eagles i will be looking at next year (other than the obvious):

Shuey - has the potential to be a premium
Gaff - See above
Waters - Is a premium defender when he can keep fit, eg. 2010
Butler - Would be a premium if he could keep fit, will stay away though
S Selwood - Tackling machine, gets better every week, averaging around 85, expect him to be around the 90's next season
Naitanui - Will only get better and will start getting more and more time in the ruck

 

[Ramrod]

Jack Redden and Tom Rockliff from the lions are still young and averaging 110 this year- so every team should have one or both of them next year.

no doubt rockliff and redden should come into consideration next season - another year's experience under the belt with black and rich more likely to be tagged first too.

should be a lot more ruck options as well - luey, goldstein, mcevoy and mumford seem to have joined cox and sandi in the elite bracket.

 

[Hank93]

Thought I would bump this and get a bit of discussion on what people's initial teams are going to look like for round 2012.

Here's my team done on the Fan planner.

DEF: B. Goddard, H. Shaw, B. Deledio, G. Birchall, B. Waters, S. Docherty, L. Brown (S. Morris, L. Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, M. Murphy, S. Thompson, M. Barlow, T. Mitchell (D. Shiel, K. Horsely)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, B. McEvoy (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: S. Johnson, P. Chapman, L. Franklin, D. Beams, N. Fyfe, J. Porplyzia, T. Walsh (J. Cameron, T. Milera)
CASH LEFT:

Byes: (DEF) 3/2/4 - (MID) 3/2/3 - (RUCK) 2/1/1 - (FWD) 2/5/2 = 10/10/10 (in the format of R11/R12/R13)

Just did a few changes to the team.
Fyfe moved from mid to forward.
Thompson and Murphy came in the Mids with Van Berlo traded out.
Waters and Docherty in for Adcock and Broughton.

 

[54Dogs]

Thought I would bump this and get a bit of discussion on what people's initial teams are going to look like for round 2012.

Here's my team done on the Fan planner.

DEF: B. Goddard, H. Shaw, B. Deledio, G. Birchall, J. Adcock, G. Broughton, L. Brown (S. Morris, L. Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, N. Fyfe, N. van Berlo, M. Barlow, T. Mitchell (D. Shiel, K. Horsely)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, B. McEvoy (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: P. Chapman, L. Franklin, D. Beams, M. Robinson, P. Dangerfield, J. Porplyzia, T. Walsh (J. Cameron, T. Milera)
CASH LEFT: $5,800

Byes: (DEF) 2/3/4 - (MID) 3/3/2 - (RUCK) 2/1/1 - (FWD) 3/3/3 = 10/10/10 (in the format of R11/R12/R13)

A normal team would use 10 or so trades before Rd 11, so the bye spread could change quite a bit

 

[Hank93]

A normal team would use 10 or so trades before Rd 11, so the bye spread could change quite a bit

True, but if you can have a good spread of byes in your initial squad (whilst still being strong) you can use your trades on the correct purpose, not having to burn them early so you can survive the bye rounds.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

A normal team would use 10 or so trades before Rd 11, so the bye spread could change quite a bit

There could be merit in holding off on some of these upgrades until rounds 11-13.

 

[54Dogs]

True, but if you can have a good spread of byes in your initial squad (whilst still being strong) you can use your trades on the correct purpose, not having to burn them early so you can survive the bye rounds.

If a gaggle of GWS rookies present the best value I'd be happy to start with 5+ and spread the load through rounds 6-10.

Premiums will need a sensible spread from the get go

 

[Keystone agony]

Yep Rookies wont matter so much, but those you intend to kepp past that round 11-13 point will need to be spread throughout a few teams. Than trading away rookies from specific teams into the right premiums will be key.

I cant see myself trading out one premium for another premium just to save a zero in those rounds, i will have more idea when it comes around if it will be worth saving the 100 points a premium delivers or upgrading a player to another premium to improve scoring by 10 a round. The trade may be better used for that.

Also zero's may well be just as prominent towards the very back end of the season. We saw the pies rest heavily real late and also geelong continuously during the year. Its certainly a trend and something i can only see getting more pronounced. So if you choose not to save a zero in round 11-13 than you may use one to save a zero between rounds 20-23 anyway.

Has the salary cap increased on last year? but the amount of players needed reduced? Im feeling it will be Top end premium/rookie strategy again and its furthered if the salary has increased but the player amount has reduced from 33 to 30 and the Magic number stays the same.

Bit of a ramble

 

[54Dogs]

Has the salary cap increased on last year? but the amount of players needed reduced? Im feeling it will be Top end premium/rookie strategy again and its furthered if the salary has increased but the player amount has reduced from 33 to 30 and the Magic number stays the same.

Bit of a ramble

The salary cap will be 8.7 mill in line with the AFL CBA and there will be 3 less players. That won't impact though, the mythological Magic Number sets the prices.

So if you only have 30 players + more coin but they all cost a heap more it will even itself out.

 

[Keystone agony]

The salary cap will be 8.7 mill in line with the AFL CBA and there will be 3 less players. That won't impact though, the mythological Magic Number sets the prices.

So if you only have 30 players + more coin but they all cost a heap more it will even itself out.

Shouldnt we know the MN through the sneak preview of the prospectus? Or did it not show any prices?

 

[54Dogs]

Shouldnt we know the MN through the sneak preview of the prospectus? Or did it not show any prices?

No prices shown

I think the DT planner opens Monday / Tuesday for those who bought the analyser last year so we'll know pretty soon anyway.

 

[Hank93]

No prices shown

I think the DT planner opens Monday / Tuesday for those who bought the analyser last year so we'll know pretty soon anyway.

And if you don't have access to Assistant coach on Monday, I'm sure mOnty and DT Talk will post all the Prices/positional changes on there sites respectivly.