2012 Prototype Teams

[cfx_1]

Who should I get
D Heppell v M Suckling/G Birchall
Murphy v Rockliff
H Mac?
Also Barlow v Hayes
Fyfe or Beams?
What do u think of my team so far?

1. Birchall - Heppell is overpriced for what his output could be and Suckling had a poor finish to 2011. Birchall has the greatest upside IMO also.

2. Coin flip - i think they should both be in your team by years end.

3. H Mac - just watch the NAB to see how they use him. He will play second fiddle to Goldstein. But having him and Petrie in the forward line will prove a handful for most backlines.

4. Hayes will generate more cash and is more reliable (scoring wise). We really have only seen 12 weeks of Barlow, and whilst it was a great 12 weeks, who's say to he doesn't come back and spud it up? Hayes will be a solid 6th midfielder.

5. Beams.. Fyfe has had an interrupted pre-season. Having said that I don't know if Beams can improve much and you really are paying top dollar. Hard decision. I think there are players cheaper who can offer more value for money.

 

[CrozaN]

No love for the no.1 DTer last year, Mathew Boyd .

I guess he is very expensive, but IMO he can easily match last years performance. Cooney is training well in the pre-season and if he can stay injury free, will attract the no.1 tagger more so than Boyd. Should free him up abit more. Plus not like Boyd can have a bad game anyway .

 

[BigVic]

1. Birchall - Heppell is overpriced for what his output could be and Suckling had a poor finish to 2011. Birchall has the greatest upside IMO also.

2. Coin flip - i think they should both be in your team by years end.

3. H Mac - just watch the NAB to see how they use him. He will play second fiddle to Goldstein. But having him and Petrie in the forward line will prove a handful for most backlines.

4. Hayes will generate more cash and is more reliable (scoring wise). We really have only seen 12 weeks of Barlow, and whilst it was a great 12 weeks, who's say to he doesn't come back and spud it up? Hayes will be a solid 6th midfielder.

5. Beams.. Fyfe has had an interrupted pre-season. Having said that I don't know if Beams can improve much and you really are paying top dollar. Hard decision. I think there are players cheaper who can offer more value for money.

Don't forget that Cox and H Mac share a bye alongside Giles, so I do not want a doughnut in my squad in round 12...

 

[lozza63]

I would love to have Lake in my team, but my back-up is Billie Smedts. He looks the goods so far but as all rookies go i will have to take a look through the NAB cup.. Anyhoo this is my final prototype team till the NAB. Would appreciate any and all feedback.. To me it looks great atm..

TEAM NAME: Test 3
DEF: B. Goddard, H. Shaw, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke
(K. Aylett, B. Wilkes)
MID: D. Swan, G. Ablett jnr, L. Hayes, C. Wingard, S. Docherty, S. Clifton
(D. Zorko, T. Mitchell)
RUC: D. Cox, M. Leuenberger
(J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Robinson, D. Zaharakis, D. Martin, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, S. Reid, A. Saad (A. Treloar, A. Sexton)
CASH LEFT: $0

I think the forward line is the most exciting but also the one with the most risk.. I don't see any reason why all of the first 4 can't raise their PPG by 10 per game, Brown is injury dependent and Reid I like as a unique cash cow. Hoping he can average around 80.

Hey cfx,

Like the team mate.
Bacs - Lake to me is the weakest link (apart from Grimes), i just feel the dude no longer has he heart in it? Anyway get Billie and take the cash and up grade Hayes to say Scott Thompson/Gibbs.
Love the rucks and fwds (very cheeky).
All the best

My crack:
Bacs - Goddard Shaw Deledio Broughton Ellis Sierakows Smedts (Morris Wilkes)
Mids - Swan Ablett S. Thompson Gibbs Clifton Horsely (Treloar Shiel)
Rucs - McEvoy Jacobs (Orren Giles)
Fwds - Goodes Cloke Martin Lewis J.Brown Smith Adams (Zorko Kerridge)

53k cap remaining byes 11-8-11 9dont give much of a continental about the byes - wait till they get closer)

Thoughts greatly appreciated!

 

[Frozenwaste]

Getting older and it doesn't seem like he's flying at the moment.

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/01/16/brian-lake-with-calf-strain/

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/128379/default.aspx

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

Had a quick try -
DEFENCE - Birchall, Gilbert, Deledio, Grimes, Lake, Clarke, Ellis (Smedts, Morris)

MIDFIELD - Swan, Ablett, Ebert, Coniglio, Pendlebury, Selwood (Horsely, McDonald)

RUCKS - Sandilands, Mumford (Giles, Stephenson)

FORWARDS - Franklin, Martin, Zaharakis, Porplyzia, Zorko, Hurley, Saad (Walsh, Treloar)

 

[happy_eagle]

Lol at Ebert
Have you guys taught him how to kick yet ?
He's one of those players that you'll want to love (gives his all) but at the end of the day is a lower quality version of rowan jones

First play around with things on the new dreamteam site

B: Scotland, Goddard, Shaw, Deledio, Waters, Clarke, Ellis (Smedts, Wilkes)
C: Swan, Redden, Barlow, Hayes, McDonald, Shiels (Stevens, Mitchell)
R: Sandilands, Leuenberger (Giles, Stephensen)
F: Franklin, Fyfe, Martin, Riewoldt, Brown, Zorko, Walsh (Saad, Treloar)

not too keen on playing 2 rookies down forward, but apart from that good a good spread (for early February)
I dont care for alot of your feedback

 

[Keystone agony]

Had a quick try -
DEFENCE - Birchall, Gilbert, Deledio, Grimes, Lake, Clarke, Ellis (Smedts, Morris)

MIDFIELD - Swan, Ablett, Ebert, Coniglio, Pendlebury, Selwood (Horsely, McDonald)

RUCKS - Sandilands, Mumford (Giles, Stephenson)

FORWARDS - Franklin, Martin, Zaharakis, Porplyzia, Zorko, Hurley, Saad (Walsh, Treloar)

Ebert just to piss GOPOWER off hehe

Few zeros in R12

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

Ebert just to piss GOPOWER off hehe

Few zeros in R12

Yeah forgot about the byes

 

[lmach]

My team so far: (Tips would be appreciated)

Deledio, Birchall, Waters, Grimes, Lake, Clarke, Mohr (Smedts, Morris)

Swan, Ablett, Mitchell, J.Selwood, Hayes, Coniglio (McDonald, Horsely)

Leuenberger, McIntosh (Giles, Stephenson)

Franklin, Cloke, Zaharakis, Martin, Porplyzia, Saad, Zorko (Walsh, Treloar)

Rem Salary Cap: 29,600

A few Questions:

Should I trade Mitchell for: Pendlebury/Boyd/Rockliff/Murphy/Redden/Thompson?

Should I trade Selwood for: Rockliff/Murphy/Redden/Thompson?

Any other Tips??

 

[Chicharito]

Hi guys, great to have DT back for another year!

I would appreciate some thoughts on my team.

B: Goddard, Deledio, Broughton, Shaw, Grimes, Clarke, Ellis/Morris (Darley, Wilkes

C: Swan, Pendlebury, Ablett, Hayes, Clifton, Shiel (Miles, Mitchell)

R: Goldstein, Giles (Stephensen, Rowe)

F: Franklin, Goodes, Martin, N Riewoldt, Zaharakis, Porplyzia, Zorko (Treloar, Sexton)

$38,600 remaining.

I have tried to balance out the byes. They are unavoidable but I have tried to spread their effect pretty evenly across the positions. Rookies are obviously not set (not that the premiums are either), but the rookies are from teams that I am looking to have a bye in a particular week....if that makes any sense. For example, Sexton (FWD bench) is from GC, at the moment I have him there but am looking for that spot to be occupied by the best rookie from a team that has a bye in R13 - Carlton, GC, Hawthorn, Port, Richmond, St Kilda. Hope that makes sense...

What do you think? Would love to hear some thoughts.

Thanks.

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

R: Goldstein, Giles (Stephensen, Rowe)

Id be looking to upgrade Goldstein to Cox or Sandilands

 

[Chicharito]

Id be looking to upgrade Goldstein to Cox or Sandilands

Thanks for your response.

My rucks do look a little weak with the 3 rookies but I feel there is significant money to be made in that position in 2012. Stephensen should play most, if not all games. Giles likewise at Port, but not sure if he'll be number 1 ruck, or number 2 behind Brogan. Regardless, he should play plenty. Rowe is the cheap 4th ruck. Have picked him because at 24 I expect him to get games and make a little cash. Probably won't play as much as Stephensen and Giles but as 4th ruck he probably doesn't have to.

With regards to Goldstein, I think he'll have a superior year to Sandi who worries me a little. Injuries are starting to get to him so I think he will be carefully managed in 2012, which makes me want to stay away from him. Cox is certainly an option, but is he worth paying the extra $40,000 for? I'm not so sure about that. Goldstein is also an attractive option for me because he comes up against GWS in round 23, DT grand final week (should I make it that far). The only worry I have about Goldy is whether or not his scoring will decrease with McIntosh in the side with him - something which will have to be monitored throughout the NAB Cup.

Any other thoughts?

 

[CrozaN]

My team so far: (Tips would be appreciated)

Deledio, Birchall, Waters, Grimes, Lake, Clarke, Mohr (Smedts, Morris)

Swan, Ablett, Mitchell, J.Selwood, Hayes, Coniglio (McDonald, Horsely)

Leuenberger, McIntosh (Giles, Stephenson)

Franklin, Cloke, Zaharakis, Martin, Porplyzia, Saad, Zorko (Walsh, Treloar)

Rem Salary Cap: 29,600

A few Questions:

Should I trade Mitchell for: Pendlebury/Boyd/Rockliff/Murphy/Redden/Thompson?

Should I trade Selwood for: Rockliff/Murphy/Redden/Thompson?

Any other Tips??

Your asking us if you should trade a premium for a premium?

Come on man, this is the part where you have to pick who you think can improve from last year or is worth the coin from the get go (i.e you don't think they will drop their value at all or any time soon).

All the options you have listed are all basically capable of 100+ averages. So its up to you to decide who you think will average the most of them all, who is the most durable, who can improve, who has the better draw etc. Thats where you need to do a bit of research and decide.

Just my 2cents, you can't go wrong with whoever you choose from those listed.

 

[Igloo]

Made a quick try last night, just to fill the spots really, so it's easier to work on.

B: Deledio, Shaw, Yarran, Wood, Clarke, Burgoyne, Ellis, (Smedts, Morris)
M: Ablett, Selwood, Griffen, Cotchin, Sloane, Shiel, (Treloar, L. Brown)
R: Luenberger, Naitanui, (Giles, Stephenson)
F: Franklin, Zaharakis, Martin, Adams, D. Smith, Saad, Dangerfield, (Zorko, Sexton)

Most likely will be changing the whole team, as im not really happy with any of it

 

[Artax]

Have Waters but am pretty nervous. Downgrade to Armstrong or upgrade to anyone other than Goddard and Lids?

 

[Chicharito]

It'll be difficult for Giles to get games at Port considering that he's at GWS

I agree with HTF though, unless McIntosh gets injured again before the season starts. I'd be very wary of what effect McIntosh coming back will have in Goldstein. Just look at Mitch Clark's scores with and without Leuenberger.

Ah yes, I did of course mean GWS rather than Port when talking about Giles. My mistake.

Goldstein's scores with McIntosh in the side is certainly a valid concern, and one which I am mindful of. It may be worth noting that in their only game together last season, Goldy scored 92. Obviously too small a sample to make a judgement on, but worth considering nonetheless. As I said, will need to monitor throughout the season to see what effect McIntosh's presence in the side has on Goldstein's scoring.

The other options are interesting. As I said, not a fan of Sandi for 2012, just too much of a risk in my opinion. For that number 1 ruck spot I'd like a ruckman from a team with a bye in round 11 - so Goldstein, Cox, Leuenberger & Jacobs are all worth considering.

Cox is the obvious choice but as I queried in a previous post, is he worth paying the extra $40,000 for?

Leuenberger is a gun but will he face the same issue as Goldstein? Will Hudson play alongside Leuey, potentially limiting his scores in much the same way as H-Mac threatens to limit Goldstein's? Or was Hudson recruited purely for depth purposes, only to get a game if/when Leuenberger suffers an injury?

Jacobs cannot be discounted either. Well and truly the number 1 ruck at the Crows, but does he have the same scoring potential as the other rucks I have mentioned?

 

[Artax]

Have changed almost every player from my initial squad. 1 I have not budged on is Jacobs

 

[timskul]

Early days, half the rookies will probably change, but here goes

Lamington Bird Men - Cash $3500 :S


B: Goddard Deledio Birchall Grimes Suban Clarke Spurr (Smedts L.Brown)

C: Pendlebury Rockliff Selwood Gibbs Clifton Shiel (Horsley K.Stevens)

R: Leuenberger McEvoy (Stephenson Giles)

F: Franklin Zaharakis Martin Sidebottom Christensen Zorko Treloar (Saad Panos)


Early thoughts eg DPP/byes is that I'm not focused on having DPP links due to no byes for first 10 weeks, and hoping that each bench will be able to cover its own position without need for DPP, as bye rounds approach, will up/downgrade some mid rookies and create DPP links and flexibility. New trading will make this much easier too, eg Switch Zorko to mids for example, trade mid only rookie to fwd rookie.

 

[Igloo]

Early days, half the rookies will probably change, but here goes

Lamington Bird Men - Cash $3500 :S


B: Goddard Deledio Birchall Grimes Suban Clarke Spurr (Smedts L.Brown)

C: Pendlebury Rockliff Selwood Gibbs Clifton Shiel (Horsley K.Stevens)

R: Leuenberger McEvoy (Stephenson Giles)

F: Franklin Zaharakis Martin Sidebottom Christensen Zorko Treloar (Saad Panos)


Early thoughts eg DPP/byes is that I'm not focused on having DPP links due to no byes for first 10 weeks, and hoping that each bench will be able to cover its own position without need for DPP, as bye rounds approach, will up/downgrade some mid rookies and create DPP links and flexibility. New trading will make this much easier too, eg Switch Zorko to mids for example, trade mid only rookie to fwd rookie.

I wouldn't keep Panos in there. I doubt he will play even the majority of the season, he still has a fair way to go. His game style doesn't really suit DT either.

 

[cfx_1]

My rucks do look a little weak with the 3 rookies but I feel there is significant money to be made in that position in 2012. Stephensen should play most, if not all games. Giles likewise at Port, but not sure if he'll be number 1 ruck, or number 2 behind Brogan. Regardless, he should play plenty. Rowe is the cheap 4th ruck. Have picked him because at 24 I expect him to get games and make a little cash. Probably won't play as much as Stephensen and Giles but as 4th ruck he probably doesn't have to.

With regards to Goldstein, I think he'll have a superior year to Sandi who worries me a little. Injuries are starting to get to him so I think he will be carefully managed in 2012, which makes me want to stay away from him. Cox is certainly an option, but is he worth paying the extra $40,000 for? I'm not so sure about that. Goldstein is also an attractive option for me because he comes up against GWS in round 23, DT grand final week (should I make it that far). The only worry I have about Goldy is whether or not his scoring will decrease with McIntosh in the side with him - something which will have to be monitored throughout the NAB Cup.

Any other thoughts?

I like the idea of 3 rookies.. I am floating this myself. What it comes down to for me is that it is completely like that Orren and Giles both average around 60. So in reality your on average throwing around 30ppg at minimum until you can afford to upgrade them, which will be at least 6-8 weeks. You will gain lets say $350 000 for doing so which is enough to get 1 more light premium elsewhere... However it is highly likely that all other position rookies (if chosen correctly) will score higher than a ruck rookie average and the potential gain will be less in the long run. Also as they will average higher, they will gain more money faster, enabling you to upgrade them sooner. So potentially you could miss out on a whole stack of easy points..

Thats how i see it anyway.

 

[barone]

my team atm is.

Backs: Goddard, Deledio, Grimes, Ibbotson, Lake, Bower, Ellis (Morris, Spurr)

Mid: Swan, Ablett, Mitchell, Gibbs, Reid, Sheil (Macdonald, Stevens)

Ruck: Sandilands, Kruzer (Giles, Stephenson)

Forward: Goodes, Robinson, Martin, Sidebottom, Lewis, Winderlich, Treloar (Kerridge, Zorko)

 

[cfx_1]

There are question marks with all of them. Will McIntosh take Goldstein's minutes? Will Naitanui keep taking more of Cox's minutes? Will Hudson take Leuenberger's minutes? Jacobs is the only one whose gametime isn't under threat, but he also has the least scoring potential, so you have to weigh up the pros and cons of picking him ahead of one of the other three.

The way I see it, McIntosh will take a lot of Goldstein's minutes and Naitanui will continue to take some more of Cox's, but I think Hudson will be just depth for the most part. Therefore, my order of preference between the 4 (taking price into account) would be Leuenberger, Jacobs, Cox, Goldstein.

I don't think Cox's scoring will decrease mainly because he gets his points differently to most ruckmen. I mean sure he gets his tapouts Cox's specialty is hanging a kick behind the play when not in the ruck or when the ball is in the forward line. Just hangs back and plucks uncontested grabs all over the park. Thats why he is 40 000 more, and thats why he is one of the only ruckmen to average 100+ consistently. (2010 excluded due to injury)

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

Coniglio or Shiel?
And Fisher or Heppell

 

[Zim^zuM]

I like the idea of 3 rookies.. I am floating this myself. What it comes down to for me is that it is completely like that Orren and Giles both average around 60. So in reality your on average throwing around 30ppg at minimum until you can afford to upgrade them, which will be at least 6-8 weeks. You will gain lets say $350 000 for doing so which is enough to get 1 more light premium elsewhere... However it is highly likely that all other position rookies (if chosen correctly) will score higher than a ruck rookie average and the potential gain will be less in the long run. Also as they will average higher, they will gain more money faster, enabling you to upgrade them sooner. So potentially you could miss out on a whole stack of easy points..

Thats how i see it anyway.

Sounds like to me you dont like the idea of 3 rookies lol