List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[doggies ftw]

I'm getting really keen on Billings, really really hope saints pass on him. I absolutely love the fact that he is labelled a "match winner". We have a shit load of young talent on the list right now, if there was any time to take a bit of a risk and try to get an absolute gun its now. We have a great core now lets add some star power! From what I've seen of Billings I don't think he will have any trouble moving into the middle once he has built his tank a bit, I know he hasn't played much footy through the centre but even just his ball winning ability in the forward line makes me confident, and then the two games he played later this year where he played through the middle and racked up 25 + disposals definitely helps too.

If anyone wants to read a bit about him I'd recommend Quigleys mock, great write up on him.

I don't know what it is about Aish but I'm starting to cool on him a bit too (I know I know I change my mind a lot, I cant ****ing help it okay ) like don't get me wrong he would be a great get at pick 4 and I'd probably still prefer him to Bontempelli (although that gap is closing fast!) but I just don't see him becoming a star, I think he will be a good player and have a spot in the team for many years to come but I just want a little more from pick 4 this year and I'd be happy to risk a flop to get that.

 

[TempleKelvington]

The debate on Bontempelli is really good. The thing that strikes me a bit is that there is a sense that he needs to be talked up, justified even. I don't really get that feeling with Scharenberg, Aish, Kelling or Billings. KK also seems to suffer the same, in that he also is the type of player who could be anything, but is perhaps not easily a top 4 or 5 pick.

For me the draft can be a lot like being a kid in a candy shop, there are a so many players you want you jump around trying them all, wanting them all.

Everyone wants to pick up a bargain, a smokey and no one wants to bomb out on a top 4 pick. So we second guess ourselves when the answer is in front of us.

I don't think we need to over complicate it now as we have a lot of information, having read all the posts on here, watched a lot of video and read expert opinion, then our choices should come down to Scharenberg, Aish, Billings or Kelly. We should no longer be tempted by others; all 4 of these guys fit the bill in terms being best available and our needs.

If we want a mid....who could slide forward then we go with Aish, Billing or Kelly.....in that order.
“Blessed with composure, quickness of mind and foot, an elite endurance base and the perfect football brain – Aish just about ticks all the boxes that the Bulldogs’ are crying out for. His disposal efficiency on both sides of his body and his ability in heavy traffic are two stand-out traits that make Aish odds-on to go inside the top 5.” SC Paige.

If we want a tall mid, with utility capabilities then Scharenberg is best here. "A brilliant reader of the play, Scharenberg plays an array of positions the same way in which Brendan Goddard has displayed throughout his career. Scharenberg has the ability to play in defense, up forward and executed his time in the midfield, showing he is the best utility type player in this draft." SC Paige.

Don’t worry about foot injuries, or homesick rumor talk. History screams out for us to ignore these slight of hands.

I too have, like a kid in a candy shop, got carried away with the allure of KK, MB and others. But in the cold light of day I fully expect that one of Scharenberg, Aish, Billing or Kelly will be a Bulldog on Thursday night. Who it ends up being is not entirely in our control, but I will be comfortable enough with any of them.

 

[doggies ftw]

I don't understand how they think a player 'a going to be better in 5 years!
Pick 4 the best player right now, simple

Its really just not that simple, I guess that means you're better off picking a solid back pocket who has been lifting weights since he was 12 and is fully developed playing solid footy over a skinny talented KPF prospect who is just finding his feet then?

If it was as simple as that then why is McCarthy being talked up as a top 10 prospect? And like many other people have mentioned, why isn't Sheed going number two in the draft?

People have different rates of development and you have to take that into account when making a selection.

 

[Barkly St End]

I don't understand how they think a player 'a going to be better in 5 years!
Pick 4 the best player right now, simple

this is the art of draft picks - the ones dominating junior footy aren't necesarily the very best picks, and vice versa

 

[fronkalicious]

3 minute expert analysis: Isaiah miller looks perfect for us at 42. Carry on.

 

[Igloo]

I wasn't really around last year, I'm just basing it off other events. Although they'll probably be monitoring them more closely during times where they know there's going to be extra activity ie. the draft, grand final, brownlow etc. and North just were North and crashed the servers by being North.

If you haven't done so, read the Live Chat thread on the draft from last year. Possibly my favourite thread of all time .
Cbf looking for a link, but it will be somewhere in the threads i've created if you want to look.

 

[timtamWB]

If you haven't done so, read the Live Chat thread on the draft from last year. Possibly my favourite thread of all time .
Cbf looking for a link, but it will be somewhere in the threads i've created if you want to look.

Definitely reading this, I don't need to study for my exam anyway

 

[Ant_]

_kp_ 's ranking on Aish is interesting

#12 – JAMES AISH
Height: 184cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 8/11/1995
Recruited from: Norwood

James Aish has come with a big name and big expectations for almost three years now where he dominated the U/16’s National Carnival and was the competition’s MVP. He’s developed quite the portfolio, co-captaining the AIS squad in 2012 and then in 2012 he became the youngest player to ever play at SANFL league level. He didn’t look out of place there, averaging 18 disposals from his 16 games at 83% efficiency. His Grand Final performance locked him in as a top prospect when he gathered 26 disposals and kicked a goal. He was also selected in the All-Australian team last year where he had a pretty good National Carnival averaging 22 disposals (16 uncontested), six marks and playing all five matches. Aish is now a two-time premiership player at SANFL level, averaging 17 disposals from his eight games this season. He’s really done it all.

So with such a record, why is he not at number one in these rankings? Well firstly, I’ve openly admitted that I’m not as high on Aish as others for a couple of years now and not much has happened to change my mind. Secondly, I’ve still got him at #12 in a decently talented draft pool around this range. I’m just not of the opinion that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ like many have proclaimed him to be from a very young age and to be honest I think the hype is unfair on him. Former coaches and anyone else that has been involved with Aish over his junior career have been coming out and calling him a ‘one in a thousand’ player. They might think they’re doing him a favour, but seriously, let him play an AFL game first because it’s a totally different ball game.

Aish slowed up this season and that partially had to do with his shoulder surgery at the end of last season. He still managed to play 13 games (eight at SANFL level and five at the Champs) but his production was well down. James Aish is a bit like Nathan Freeman to me (not a player comparison) in that I feel like I’m missing out on something and every time I finish watching a game I’m left scratching my head trying to figure out what all the fuss is about. I’m going to give him a bit of a pass due to the shoulder surgery and the fact he was tagged at stages this season, but at the same time he was fit enough to play senior footy in a premiership side. His Championships were nothing short of disappointing and I felt the same way with his SANFL season where he was outshone by teammate Trent Dumont in my opinion. Aish did face some tags in the SANFL and at some times during the Champs, which is a compliment, so I’m not going to mark him down, but he will need to get used to it, and I think he will struggle against the tag at the next level unless he adds new strings to his bow which I’ll explain.

You’ve probably heard it a thousand times, but I’ll say it again, and that is that Aish is a classy player. He evens looks classy when he does nothing. He operates at very high efficiency levels and has done so right throughout his career. I don’t think he’s particularly damaging with his disposals though, in that he doesn’t exactly break the lines and zones or smack a 60m pass down the flank, he just hits the targets he’s expected to hit and that’s fine. With ball in hand and out in space Aish moves smoothly and he’s got the trademark sidestep, a bit like Nick Dal Santo. Aish loves the give-and-go, but he’s got a terrible habit of handballing to stationary targets when under pressure. Aish looks like a number one pick in space but when the heat is on I think his effectiveness comes right down. I don’t agree with the Bryce Gibbs comparisons at all. Gibbs is a much better kick and has the inside game that I struggle to see Aish ever developing.

Aish is very much an uncontested player and as I’ve mentioned in other profiles, I do have time for these types as they play a role every team needs but naturally I’m not going to rate them higher than players who get the ball themselves, do both, or have other tricks. Aish will go in and get if he has to but it’s not his natural game and he’s just too small to have any sort of major impact in there. As I mentioned before, Aish faced taggers this season, which would’ve been a good experience for him. He’s going to have to get used to it because I don’t think the taggers will go away any time soon and I’m not sure he will deal with them too well and that’s not a whack, it’s just that there aren’t too many outside players that do. Andrew Gaff was completely nullified for an entire season this year.

I don’t have any athletic results on Aish, but I’d guess and says he’s above average in agility, speed and endurance. He whips through traffic nicely (just has to put that stationary handball away) and his top speed looks very good. His endurance doesn’t seem elite but I could well be wrong.

The one other issue I have with Aish is that he’s very skinny and I don’t think he’ll get that much bigger. He’s been in an elite environment for almost two years and not much has changed and the other Aish’s weren’t the biggest boys either. This could present some problems with his shoulder. He really needs to put on some strength.

I was very high on Jimmy Toumpas last year, and I was quite shattered when he got drafted to Melbourne because I knew he’d struggle a little bit in a bad team. I see Aish as a bit the same. I don’t see him as a player you build a team around, he’s more the icing on the cake. I’ve plucked out some AFL midfielders that have a very similar uncontested possession to contested possession rate to James Aish in not an effort to compare them but just to see how his ratio could hold up if he continues on the same track; Brent Stanton, Dustin Martin, Brent Harvey, Sam Gibson, Shaun Grigg, Mitch Duncan, Farren Ray, Brandon Ellis, Isaac Smith, Lachie Whitfield, Tom Scully, Sam Mayes and Brad Hill.

He’d be a very good addition to a team like Collingwood or the Western Bulldogs (because of their mass amount of inside midfielders). Overall I don’t mind Aish, and the fact he’s at #12 on this list is evidence of that, but I do hold some concerns and I think that’s largely got to do with which team he goes to. He’ll be a very good player in a good team but don’t be surprised if he takes a short while (or a very long time) to find his feet. He could go either way.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

The OP for our live draft chat thread this year should relive some of the greatest posts from last year's. I think I may just do that.

 

[Barkly St End]

When a teenager is able to do well in a SANFL grand final - that's a pretty good sign of having the goods

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

timtamWB

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-nab-afl-draft-discussion.981393/

 

[timtamWB]

timtamWB

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-nab-afl-draft-discussion.981393/

Too late. I'm already acquiring the greatest posts from the thread, this is amazing!

Although first I stopped by the video games forum first, checked out the top 75 games list. Geez man get it together and finish it already

 

[Reptilia]

He rates Aish ahead of MB.

A week ago he had aish at about 15 in his power rankings. I'm not sure how he now has him as the best after the mini draft and tom boyd

 

[Mr. Walker]

Off topic so apologies in advance but I was reading the articles in the media about the 2006 AFL draft - what a disaster for us! I still have faith in our current day recruiters but its not as strong as it was 12 hours ago.

In this draft they must take the best available - not who they think is the best available . That is what I require from them and because I don't want to interfere I will leave it up to them how they actually do that.

 

[timtamWB]

The whole first few pages is all about Igloo and his Stringer love Also Dannnnnnnnnn how did your face taste?

And page 8 is pretty much just **** COLLINGWOOD! Which is always nice

 

[Ant_]

The Prudden section was funny. Also VitalDread was about the only positive for him funny enough

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

enjoy our draftees

We all had a laugh at VitalDread 's expense when he put this up - but maybe he was just a year off with Billings!

 

[murphy's twin]

I thought I heard somewhere that we rate Billings like 3rd in the draft or so???

 

[timtamWB]

I am so tempted to post all the quotes from the thread here, but I think I'll save them for Thursday

 

[VitalDread]

The Prudden section was funny. Also VitalDread was about the only positive for him funny enough

all a bunch of bandwagoners hahahah

 

[VitalDread]

if billings does get drafted to us
i think i might lose my shit in forseeing the future.

 

[yebiga]

if billings does get drafted to us
i think i might lose my shit in forseeing the future.

Can't you channel Prudden and get him to reveal pick 4 now?

 

[VitalDread]

Can't you channel Prudden and get him to reveal pick 4 now?

it requires a heavy sacrifice
We shall use timtamWB and Nightowl

 

[maddog37]

At least they will be togethor forever.

 

[fronkalicious]

2012 draft posts are awesome fun. Great read.