Mega Thread 2013 Official Draft Thread

[THE_GUN]

Not if we get in, first though.

I am against us trading our first rounder for Taylor Adams. Yes, he will be a very good player, but he doesn't represent an immediate need for us. Plenty of players who have the same ceiling as Adams will be around at our pick.

I am all for us trading our first rounder for Billy Longer though. There isn't a decent quality ruckman in the draft of the quality of Longer. There are only two notable ruckman in the draft and both are second round prospects at this stage. One is undersized as a ruckman like Todd Elton (Cameron Conlon, 197 cm, 90 kg), and the other is a very promising ruckman at this stage, and already has a decent sized frame on him. (Darcy Cameron, 203 cm, 98 kg).

If we don't get Longer, I wouldn't be against trading Astbury for a second round pick and using it to get Cameron.

Im personally against trading our 1st selection for Longer, Whilst i wanted Grundy last year and he would of been fantastic fit for our team with Vickery & McBean in the wings - Longer i dont want(for 1st pick)

I would much rather get a plug and play ruckmen in 2 years time thats either a FA or can trade our 1st selection for then, Longer is still not a known quality at AFL level and after 3 years nothing really has stood out to demand #10/#11

 

[tigs2010]

Not if we get in, first though.

I am against us trading our first rounder for Taylor Adams. Yes, he will be a very good player, but he doesn't represent an immediate need for us. Plenty of players who have the same ceiling as Adams will be around at our pick.

I am all for us trading our first rounder for Billy Longer though. There isn't a decent quality ruckman in the draft of the quality of Longer. There are only two notable ruckman in the draft and both are second round prospects at this stage. One is undersized as a ruckman like Todd Elton (Cameron Conlon, 197 cm, 90 kg), and the other is a very promising ruckman at this stage, and already has a decent sized frame on him. (Darcy Cameron, 203 cm, 98 kg).

If we don't get Longer, I wouldn't be against trading Astbury for a second round pick and using it to get Cameron.

We just got molested in the clearances by an average team in finals.
We already have a 2nd rounder to get Cameron with. No need to trade our only real KPD depth for a pick.

 

[Grockadoc]

We just got molested in the clearances by an average team in finals.
We already have a 2nd rounder to get Cameron with. No need to trade our only real KPD depth for a pick.

We also have Elton who played KPD as a junior. For me it is either Astbury or Griffiths to trade, and I think Griff has a higher ceiling. I like Astbury as a player, but we also have McIntosh who can play a similar role to Astbury as well.

And I know, but there is an off chance that Lewis Taylor might slip to a pick in the mid 20's and he is the type we need. If we can use a a traded in early second rounder on Taylor, and our second rounder on Cameron, as well as getting one of Sheed, Salem, Freeman with our first I'd say that is a very, very, VERY good draft.

 

[Stylo]

Taylor will go top 10

 

[Grockadoc]

Taylor will go top 10

Wouldn't go that high.

Boyd
Aish
Kelly
Scharenberg
Lennon
McDonald
Billings
Sheed
Gardiner
Crouch

All will be top 10, I'd say. Taylor is most likely to go somewhere between 13-17 I reckon, but could slip like Hrovat because of his height.

 

[Richo83]

Grockadoc

Immense effort. I'd be interested to hear what you think about Lennon and how he compares to McDonald. My fear about Lennon is that while he's a good mark and a long kick, I wonder whether he'll transition to the midfield or the flank as easily as I'd hope. It's not that I don't think he will, I think he could, but it's not as clear cut as some of the others, and I wonder if he'll just become a mainly outside player who is very skilled but doesn't actually do that much in a game. The comparisons to Deledio worry me, because unlike Deledio, he lacks his pace which is one of Deledo's major attributes which makes him as good as he is. I think Deledio, Lennon may lack the inside game to be able to fight through a tag. With a first round pick I'd rather pick the guy with less queries about what he'll do at afl level. I think Lennon is a real talent but I fear that he'll be a talent tease.

I think you undersell Salem a bit. I think his combination of endurance, strength, defensive skills and foot skills makes for a fairly interesting prospect.

 

[tigs2010]

We also have Elton who played KPD as a junior. For me it is either Astbury or Griffiths to trade, and I think Griff has a higher ceiling. I like Astbury as a player, but we also have McIntosh who can play a similar role to Astbury as well.

And I know, but there is an off chance that Lewis Taylor might slip to a pick in the mid 20's and he is the type we need. If we can use a a traded in early second rounder on Taylor, and our second rounder on Cameron, as well as getting one of Sheed, Salem, Freeman with our first I'd say that is a very, very, VERY good draft.

We need Elton up forward for mine. His kicking could become a liability down back but I think he's our monster KPF who can take huge grabs. I think I rate him higher than most but I think as he builds his tank a bit more and can work and work all day he will become our Travis Cloke.

I think Astbury is better than Griff. He's actually shown AFL quality. Griffiths whilst I keep hearing this potential thing, it's no good that he can kick the ball like a mule and run like the wind for a tall if he doesn't actually get the ball. He's also physically weak for a 200cm 100kg guy and his defensive game is average. I think we should grab something for him whilst we can rather than get pick 70 next year when he shows nothing again. I also don't think Astbury would get us a pick early enough for that to happen. Mid 30's or a player swap for another reserves type.

McIntosh I see as a different prospect to Astbury. I think he's more the Grimes type of role. Mobile 3rd tall defender.

I can't see Taylor sliding but I could see a Hartung being there. Something like the Adams & pick 20 for Foley & pick 11 would upgrade our in and under type of mid plus give us a pick to grab our speedy winger like a Hartung. 2nd rounder on D.Cameron. Then maybe a 3rd on a small forward like Impey. Fills all the little holes in the side.

 

[tigs2010]

Wouldn't go that high.

Boyd
Aish
Kelly
Scharenberg
Lennon
McDonald
Billings
Sheed
Gardiner
Crouch

All will be top 10, I'd say. Taylor is most likely to go somewhere between 13-17 I reckon, but could slip like Hrovat because of his height.

Hrovat doesn't have the same weapons as Taylor though. Hrovat has ordinary speed. Taylor's speed is a genuine weapon. He's a better player than Ben Kennedy from last year.

 

[Grockadoc]

Hrovat doesn't have the same weapons as Taylor though. Hrovat has ordinary speed. Taylor's speed is a genuine weapon. He's a better player than Ben Kennedy from last year.

I'm just saying what I've heard. As I've said, top 10 is too high for Taylor, I think. Anyway, I'd have him in the 13-17 range.

 

[TheAnt]

Taylors outside the top 10 in Wallace's rolling draft.

 

[tigs2010]

I'm just saying what I've heard. As I've said, top 10 is too high for Taylor, I think. Anyway, I'd have him in the 13-17 range.

I'd have him 10-15. Of your list before I don't think Gardiner is a certainty. If we can do that deal for Adams and Taylor lasts till the pick we receive back we can laugh our way to the bank.

 

[Tigerbob]

I'm not sure clubs in the top ten will grab Taylor. He could be a slider.

 

[tigs2010]

Taylors outside the top 10 in Wallace's rolling draft.

Wallace had the teams in the wrong spot. Doubt he has any idea where players will go if he can't even get that right.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I'd have him 10-15. Of your list before I don't think Gardiner is a certainty. If we can do that deal for Adams and Taylor lasts till the pick we receive back we can laugh our way to the bank.

Which deals that Tigs?

 

[RichoLedio]

Taylors outside the top 10 in Wallace's rolling draft.

A sure sign that he should be top ten

 

[tigs2010]

Which deals that Tigs?

The one I wrote above. Adams & 20 for Foley & 11.

 

[Richo83]

Not if we get in, first though.

I am against us trading our first rounder for Taylor Adams. Yes, he will be a very good player, but he doesn't represent an immediate need for us. Plenty of players who have the same ceiling as Adams will be around at our pick.

Really? I think clearances and contested football is, as always, paramount, and Adams provides another rotation. He also allows Edwards to play permanent forward which helps our forwardline. I see him killing two birds with one stone.

I am all for us trading our first rounder for Billy Longer though. There isn't a decent quality ruckman in the draft of the quality of Longer. There are only two notable ruckman in the draft and both are second round prospects at this stage. One is undersized as a ruckman like Todd Elton (Cameron Conlon, 197 cm, 90 kg), and the other is a very promising ruckman at this stage, and already has a decent sized frame on him. (Darcy Cameron, 203 cm, 98 kg).

If we don't get Longer, I wouldn't be against trading Astbury for a second round pick and using it to get Cameron.

I'd be thinking of using Richmond's second pick regardless on Cameron regardless. But I'm not sold on Longer for a trade of the first pick, he's only played nine matches, and hasn't really proven himself against capable opposition.

 

[Damo80]

I would much rather get a plug and play ruckmen in 2 years time thats either a FA or can trade our 1st selection for then, Longer is still not a known quality at AFL level and after 3 years nothing really has stood out to demand #10/#11

This was only Longer's 2nd year. And in his first, he want expected to play any games at senior level, but the club deemed his firm so compelling that they just HAD to pay him.

His issue is that he has a very handy, young 1st ruck ahead of him in the pecking order up there.

Not against getting another Maric type in a year or two, but there's no guarantee it will work out as well as that one has.

 

[THE_GUN]

This was only Longer's 2nd year. And in his first, he want expected to play any games at senior level, but the club deemed his firm so compelling that they just HAD to pay him.

His issue is that he has a very handy, young 1st ruck ahead of him in the pecking order up there.

Not against getting another Maric type in a year or two, but there's no guarantee it will work out as well as that one has.

Established seasoned Ruckman when we are at the level of competing for the flag same as what the swans & Pies have done in the past i think would be a better choice unless its a Kruezer,Vickery,Nic Nat type

 

[LuKe2428]

Established seasoned Ruckman when we are at the level of competing for the flag same as what the swans & Pies have done in the past i think would be a better choice unless its a Kruezer,Vickery,Nic Nat type

If Vickery cant do enough in the ruck and McBean doesnt look like making it in the ruck then get Kruezer next who will be a free-agent next year I think.

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[Damo80]

If Vickery cant do enough in the ruck and McBean doesnt look like making it in the ruck then get Kruezer next who will be a free-agent next year I think.

Will be interesting to see how many top line players start to move clubs under free agency. I'm not convinced that a lot will, particularly from sides playing finals, unless they're paid massive overs, which is something I would be against us doing.

 

[SumTingWong]

Zac Jones or James Battersby to complete the defence.

 

[Tigerbob]

Just looking through the games and doing my own review of what we need, I noticed the Maric/Stephenson combination was undefeated. Sorry if this has been stated I'm just discovering that fact now myself.

In saying that, I don't think The Big O is the way to go, but I am thinking an experienced ruckman may be the way to go. Maric is capable forward and I don't know if Vickery will be a capable ruckman.

We are approaching our window now. We got spanked in our losses from that ruck position and looked most strong when we had that area dominated. Our midfield with a couple more cogs and experience can be the best in the land. I'm for getting an experienced ruck to team with Maric.

 

[Danog]

Taylor will go top 10

He's training and doing rehab at Collingwood.

 

[Danog]

Just looking through the games and doing my own review of what we need, I noticed the Maric/Stephenson combination was undefeated. Sorry if this has been stated I'm just discovering that fact now myself.

In saying that, I don't think The Big O is the way to go, but I am thinking an experienced ruckman may be the way to go. Maric is capable forward and I don't know if Vickery will be a capable ruckman.

We are approaching our window now. We got spanked in our losses from that ruck position and looked most strong when we had that area dominated. Our midfield with a couple more cogs and experience can be the best in the land. I'm for getting an experienced ruck to team with Maric.

Longer isn't exactly experienced, though.