List Mgmt. 2013 Trading & Free Agency

[simmo97]

We have been crying out for a pacy goal kicking small forward for years, and now one of the leagues best comes along whom we can secure without having to trade for, in a year where we have no first or second round draft picks. Despite this, some people seem to be against getting him, because he's had an off year in a season that has been interrupted by injury and suspension. I just don't ******* understand some of you people.

you are spot on go after betts who could kick us 30-40 goals for the next 3-4 seasons.

 

[simmo97]

I don't have a problem with getting him, I just don't want to over pay for his services on the back of this season. If we can get him for a reasonable price. All good.

to get a player through free agency you must pay over for his services. i would think we would have to pay 100-150k over Eddie betts current salary to have any chance of securing his services.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Any thoughts on Nick Duigan? We can get him for like pick 80 since MM doesn't have any use for him. Had an okay 2011, played VFL all this year. In Cartlon's leadership group, maybe if he came home he could play better? I assume he isn't pacey which is probably the last thing we need but I don't no for sure. Low risk - low to moderate reward imo. At least should look into it.

 

[adelaidecrows]

to get a player through free agency you must pay over for his services. i would think we would have to pay 100-150k over Eddie betts current salary to have any chance of securing his services.

If he is hypothetically paid $500K a season at Carlton you want to see the crows spend 65% of the salary cap left over from Tippett and Bock reported to be around $1m etc for his services that's $600K to $650K. Hey if I am out voted on this all good, pay it, but that to me seems insane! especially if you can use that money on targets next season that we can even trade our first round draft picks for. If he had had a better year that was to the same standards of other years bloody oath, go your hardest. Remember we most likely will have to shell out a pretty penny for a ruckman of some sort at the end of next season.

 

[MRB37]

Any thoughts on Nick Duigan? We can get him for like pick 80 since MM doesn't have any use for him. Had an okay 2011, played VFL all this year. In Cartlon's leadership group, maybe if he came home he could play better? I assume he isn't pacey which is probably the last thing we need but I don't no for sure. Low risk - low to moderate reward imo. At least should look into it.

I was for getting him if they traded Otten. Since that doesn't look like happening, I'd probably pass. Probably only be a depth player at this point.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I was for getting him if they traded Otten. Since that doesn't look like happening, I'd probably pass. Probably only be a depth player at this point.

If we can get him cheap, he could be experimental. Take a punt with him as a potential replacement.

 

[Tex Support]

Any thoughts on Nick Duigan? We can get him for like pick 80 since MM doesn't have any use for him. Had an okay 2011, played VFL all this year. In Cartlon's leadership group, maybe if he came home he could play better? I assume he isn't pacey which is probably the last thing we need but I don't no for sure. Low risk - low to moderate reward imo. At least should look into it.

Norwood board

 

[MRB37]

Norwood board

Won't be playing for Norwood if the Crows get him! My mate would be PO'd since he loves Norwood and hates the Crows.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Won't be playing for Norwood if the Crows get him! My mate would be PO'd since he loves Norwood and hates the Crows.

Norwood hey, What a shame!!!!! If that happens I will be sure to call a Whaaaaaaaambulance for the young man!

 

[Stripple]

If he is hypothetically paid $500K a season at Carlton you want to see the crows spend 65% of the salary cap left over from Tippett and Bock reported to be around $1m etc for his services that's $600K to $650K. Hey if I am out voted on this all good, pay it, but that to me seems insane! especially if you can use that money on targets next season that we can even trade our first round draft picks for. If he had had a better year that was to the same standards of other years bloody oath, go your hardest. Remember we most likely will have to shell out a pretty penny for a ruckman of some sort at the end of next season.

A) betts would not currently be one 500k.
B) we should have at least 1.6 mil spare next year (tippet x2 assuming johncock and tamblings money has been used for our other recent signings
C) where do we plan to spend 600k if not on betts? We would have already front loaded contracts last year after tippet left to give us spare cash.

If we wait till next year rutten is a year older and we have to look at finding his replacement for 2015.

Crossing our fingers and hoping we will see improvement in our incumbents is why 2010-11 and 13 happened.

Betts would add 30-40 goals which (like callinan did last year) adds another dimension to our attack problem is callinan is 31 and not getting any younger.

 

[Team DJ]

Hendos last month, and jack squat of a career before that doesnt match Robinsons solid young career

 

[adelaidecrows]

A) betts would not currently be one 500k.
B) we should have at least 1.6 mil spare next year (tippet x2 assuming johncock and tamblings money has been used for our other recent signings
C) where do we plan to spend 600k if not on betts? We would have already front loaded contracts last year after tippet left to give us spare cash.

If we wait till next year rutten is a year older and we have to look at finding his replacement for 2015.

Crossing our fingers and hoping we will see improvement in our incumbents is why 2010-11 and 13 happened.

Betts would add 30-40 goals which (like callinan did last year) adds another dimension to our attack problem is callinan is 31 and not getting any younger.

We wouldn't have 1.6k for starters we have to use 92.5% of the salary cap as a minimum. Tippetts offer is really what we would have left due to all the contracts being re signed and if Couch's long term contract gets completed. Anyways get Betts by all means. don't care.

 

[feenix67]

We wouldn't have 1.6k for starters we have to use 92.5% of the salary cap as a minimum. Tippetts offer is really what we would have left due to all the contracts being re signed and if Couch's long term contract gets completed. Anyways get Betts by all means. don't care.

You should really stop talking about things you clearly don't understand.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You should really stop talking about things you clearly don't understand.

see that's pathetic. you have no idea either its all hypothetical. so stop telling me you have a bigger dick and tell me your reasons on why I am wrong.

 

[feenix67]

see that's pathetic. you have no idea either its all hypothetical. so stop telling me you have a bigger dick and tell me your reasons on why I am wrong.

What's pathetic is you continually stating things which are obviously wrong. Contracts have been rearranged/front loaded to allow for the fact we had extra $$ this year we couldn't spend on recruiting, so that those $$ would be free in following years when we can recruit.

 

[headache1]

see that's pathetic. you have no idea either its all hypothetical. so stop telling me you have a bigger dick and tell me your reasons on why I am wrong.

We apparently restructured existing contracts with the hole left in our cap this year by Tippett not being there. Assuming we used the $800k he would have been getting paid in its entirety to do this, it means we've already paid $800k of next years salaries. As we were budgeting to be paying Tippett the same amount next year as well, we should hypothetically have $1.6m room in next years cap payments to play with.

 

[adelaidecrows]

What's pathetic is you continually stating things which are obviously wrong. Contracts have been rearranged/front loaded to allow for the fact we had extra $$ this year we couldn't spend on recruiting, so that those $$ would be free in following years when we can recruit.

I haven't said anything wrong. We have had a bucket load of contract re signings this season plus I told you Crouch is being offered a long term deal. I did say we had a bit but logically due to AFLPA rules we can not spend less then 92% as a minimum of the salary cap in any given year. With the list of stars we have and up and coming youngsters we would be lucky to have much more up our sleeve then what tippet had offered. The AFC have always stated its only give or take $1m spare to spend. Anyways its a mute point because we are both only making assumptions.

 

[AdelaideFan14]

Jars just said Melbourne is offering Pick 2 for Crouch on MMM just then..

 

[Jars458]

Jars just said Melbourne is offering Pick 2 for Crouch on MMM just then..

That's been about for a week or so that rumour, on Twitter I asked what else we would be getting?

 

[headache1]

I haven't said anything wrong. We have had a bucket load of contract re signings this season plus I told you Crouch is being offered a long term deal. I did say we had a bit but logically due to AFLPA rules we can not spend less then 92% as a minimum of the salary cap in any given year. With the list of stars we have and up and coming youngsters we would be lucky to have much more up our sleeve then what tippet had offered. The AFC have always stated its only give or take $1m spare to spend. Anyways its a mute point because we are both only making assumptions.

The minimum payments have nothing to do with it. If we have restructured contracts, we would have been paying the maximum. If we find ourselves with $1.6m in next years cap and fail to attract any players to use that $1.6m, we restructure the contracts again.

And I believe the expression you were looking for is "moot point".

 

[adelaidecrows]

We apparently restructured existing contracts with the hole left in our cap this year by Tippett not being there. Assuming we used the $800k he would have been getting paid in its entirety to do this, it means we've already paid $800k of next years salaries. As we were budgeting to be paying Tippett the same amount next year as well, we should hypothetically have $1.6m room in next years cap payments to play with.

considering crouch was on minimum wage this season his long term contract offer would be somewhere around the $500K mark you would think. That would equate to over 50% of that extra amount if it was that amount.

 

[Tex200]

I haven't said anything wrong. We have had a bucket load of contract re signings this season plus I told you Crouch is being offered a long term deal. I did say we had a bit but logically due to AFLPA rules we can not spend less then 92% as a minimum of the salary cap in any given year. With the list of stars we have and up and coming youngsters we would be lucky to have much more up our sleeve then what tippet had offered. The AFC have always stated its only give or take $1m spare to spend. Anyways its a mute point because we are both only making assumptions.

Thanks Phil

 

[Cap]

Jars just said Melbourne is offering Pick 2 for Crouch on MMM just then..

that would be the dumbest deal since we signed Tippett up on a dodgy contract.

oh wait

 

[Stripple]

We wouldn't have 1.6k for starters we have to use 92.5% of the salary cap as a minimum. Tippetts offer is really what we would have left due to all the contracts being re signed and if Couch's long term contract gets completed. Anyways get Betts by all means. don't care.

We should have 1.6k spare if we have done our work right as next years paper work isn't in so it doesn't matter if we are over or under.

On the assumption tippet was offered 800k for 4 years and the assumption we front loaded 800k from next year into this year (re negotiated with tex/danger/sloane)

This year going into next we so far have (all guesses)

Callinan (100k)
Kerridge (100k)
Tambling (300k)
Joyce (80k)
L Thompson (100k)
Johncock (250k not including his veteran payment)

Assuming we remove tambling and Joyce

That's 630k we had on top of the tippet money which should cover any raises to the following sign ons
Laird
Grigg
Wright
Reilly
Otten
Rutten

I don't think we should be too far off from 1.6 left Over

 

[feenix67]

I haven't said anything wrong. We have had a bucket load of contract re signings this season plus I told you Crouch is being offered a long term deal. I did say we had a bit but logically due to AFLPA rules we can not spend less then 92% as a minimum of the salary cap in any given year. With the list of stars we have and up and coming youngsters we would be lucky to have much more up our sleeve then what tippet had offered. The AFC have always stated its only give or take $1m spare to spend. Anyways its a mute point because we are both only making assumptions.

Umm it's not AFLPA rules....

Your logic is completely flawed....

It's moot, not mute....