List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Norm De Guerre]

Well I've been on the Carlton board for 9 years - so Ill be a free agent come October.

Make me an offer

Our board has both a church and a temple.

 

[Doggies7]

People shouldn't be so sure of what the top 5 will be, especially this far out from the draft. As we know, guys like Bontempelli and Macrae weren't top 5 picks for most of the year until we locked in on them and you would have said no way guys like Aish or Grundy would fall out of the top 5 / top 10 respectively. It always happens and will happen again with a few bolters coming up into calculations pushing current top 5 guys down a little. There's a very decent chance a guy like Wright or McCartin falls to us IMO.

 

[paulveed]

People shouldn't be so sure of what the top 5 will be, especially this far out from the draft. As we know, guys like Bontempelli and Macrae weren't top 5 picks for most of the year until we locked in on them and you would have said no way guys like Aish or Grundy would fall out of the top 5 / top 10 respectively. It always happens and will happen again with a few bolters coming up into calculations pushing current top 5 guys down a little. There's a very decent chance a guy like Wright or McCartin falls to us IMO.

Yeah D7, tend to agree it is likely that the top 5 @ draft day is unlikely to be as is right now. One is likely to slip, and another to climb by then, after the TAC season ends, then the Combine. Who that will be is yet up for grabs.
The fly in the ointment is the possibility of Melb. getting a compo pick. This could throw most people's guesses into serious disarray.

As things stand, what do people feel the clubs below us, and who might still drop below us, will be looking for with their P1 ?

I would have thought : St K go for a tall forward.
Melb. for a quality mid with grunt.
GWS. anybody's guess. Possibly 'best available', unless they either have a desire for one particular player. But with them any option could pop up, [ though I doubt it will be a KPF], particularly if they trade pre-draft.
Bris. see GWS. Suspect though they will go tall [ KP] unless say a Petracca is still in play [ unlikely].

There is still a fair chance the Blues could still drop below us, so :
Carlton.... Hmmm they have a lot of needs, so probably best available.

So where does that leave us ? Do we already have a target fringe to the top 5 lined up? Or are we just waiting to see who is still on the board if an expected [ current] top 5 has slipped ?

If we finish up at P7 does that effect what we prioritize re type of player we choose as distinct from best left ?

So much though can still change between now and then, trades, FA's, and our own current youngsters having either an unexpected crash or blinder to finish to the year.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

As things stand, what do people feel the clubs below us, and who might still drop below us, will be looking for with their P1 ?

Personally I think, of the teams you've mentioned, all but Brisbane go 'best available.' Brisbane simply have to go tall as they're well stacked through the midfield but seriously lack some quality in the key position department, although their youngsters have shown signs.

St Kilda supporters talk a lot about their mids but the fact remains that their contested ball has been awful this season and their delivery forward hasn't been much better at times. They do need talls, but like us a couple years ago, they need almost everything. If Petracca is there I think he could be Saints-bound, even if they do have pick one.

GWS have gone what they view as best available for a couple years now, and I don't think this year will be any different.

With Hogan's injury troubles far from resolved and Mitch Clark a distant memory, Melbourne need key forwards more than many believe. Dawes is a reasonable player but not much more; Frawley won't be there; and despite him playing a nice role for them this year, they aren't going to get far with Pederson holding down a key forward position. But as you mention, they still need mids.

Carlton simply have to go best available. Lack quality midfielders and quality talls.

 

[TBOW]

I agree that St.Kilda should go Petracca. They picked up good grunt midfielders in Acres & Dunstan last year but lack class.

Brisbane could go either way. Freeman, Lisle, Close, Paparone all have potential & they might be adding Hammelman & Ubergang as academy picks. While there midfield is decent it could use some quality & depth so Brayshaw might appeal.

GWS who knows. They will probably take a tall because that is what they do. They should go Pickett.

Melbourne need mids. It would be interesting to see what they did if Petracca & Brayshaw were gone at their pick.

Carlton will probably take best available which will no doubt be the tall we are all praying for....

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

I've thought:
1. St Kilda - Petracca
2. Brisbane - McCartin
3. Melbourne - Brayshaw
4. GWS - Wright
5. WB - Laverde/Durdin/Lever

Not discounting the possibility that St Kilda go for McCartin, Melbourne select Wright and so forth. Carlton finishing below us probably takes Durdin out of the equation.

I go back and forth on who we select, I like Laverde and Lever but I'm not as sure about Durdin, and I'd like to see what we can pull off at the trade table first.

 

[paulveed]

Thanks fellas. Interesting insights.

Dannnnn, can't help thinking that while I agree with you that St Kiljoy need some class in the midfield, particularly post Lenny [ and wouldn't we have loved to have him in the RW&B 5-6 years back], that with St Nick near the end that their need to get some talls in is their most immediate problem. I say this because they are years from being much, and as we all know it takes time to develop the talls, while quality mids can come on much quicker. I don't see it being their best strategy to have a crash hot midfield with no talls to kick to. Sounds a bit like another team I know.

A number of pundits have suggested we go for Godard. Although I admit I have not seen a lot of him, what I have has left me decidedly underwhelmed.
From what I have read it almost sounds like most of his rep. derives from last year and before. Must say that of the two who often seem bracketed together G and Durdin, personally the latter impresses me as having more potential. Thoughts ?

 

[AjsGuns]

I've thought:
1. St Kilda - Petracca
2. Brisbane - McCartin
3. Melbourne - Brayshaw
4. GWS - Wright
5. WB - Laverde/Durdin/Lever

Not discounting the possibility that St Kilda go for McCartin, Melbourne select Wright and so forth. Carlton finishing below us probably takes Durdin out of the equation.

I go back and forth on who we select, I like Laverde and Lever but I'm not as sure about Durdin, and I'd like to see what we can pull off at the trade table first.

Reckon if the first 3 goes like that and Melbourne don't get band 1 compensation for Frawley or he stays and Carlton finished above us were a sneaky chance at Wright (I can see GWS going for Durdin). Ofc everything would have to fall almost perfectly for us to get him.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Thanks fellas. Interesting insights.

Dannnnn, can't help thinking that while I agree with you that St Kiljoy need some class in the midfield, particularly post Lenny [ and wouldn't we have loved to have him in the RW&B 5-6 years back], that with St Nick near the end that their need to get some talls in is their most immediate problem. I say this because they are years from being much, and as we all know it takes time to develop the talls, while quality mids can come on much quicker. I don't see it being their best strategy to have a crash hot midfield with no talls to kick to. Sounds a bit like another team I know.

A number of pundits have suggested we go for Godard. Although I admit I have not seen a lot of him, what I have has left me decidedly underwhelmed.
From what I have read it almost sounds like most of his rep. derives from last year and before. Must say that of the two who often seem bracketed together G and Durdin, personally the latter impresses me as having more potential. Thoughts ?

Fair point re: St Kilda and it's certainly a line-ball call. You'd think Petracca or McCartin will be their pick, either way. Bruce has shown bits and pieces as a forward (kicked three last week), and Stanley seems to be putting it all together finally, so they may be tempted to go for Petracca if they view him as the best option.

I'm not as keen on Goddard as some although I think he had surgery at the beginning of the year which may have hurt his form. I have no doubt he can be a good player, just don't think he projects as an elite first option key defender/forward.

 

[doggies ftw]

So if Brayshaw slips through to our pick, do we take him? Not really just an inside mid and he's a nice size at 186cm and 85 odd kgs. Good skills, whats his running ability like? Tank and pace.

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

So if Brayshaw slips through to our pick, do we take him? Not really just an inside mid and he's a nice size at 186cm and 85 odd kgs. Good skills, whats his running ability like? Tank and pace.

My belief is Brayshaw will slip to just outside top 10, he is a very big stats winner in the TAC and in a couple of games in the championships. The majority of his stats are receives rather than inside gets. He isn't quick and not a run and carry type, under more pressure of the AFL his disposal maybe an issue.

That said I believe he will play a lot of AFL football, however there are too many tall options available for our pick one. Actually it would be great if someone before us liked him enough to take him, that would be ideal.

 

[TBOW]

Reckon if the first 3 goes like that and Melbourne don't get band 1 compensation for Frawley or he stays and Carlton finished above us were a sneaky chance at Wright (I can see GWS going for Durdin). Ofc everything would have to fall almost perfectly for us to get him.

I actually think out of the 2 McCartin has the most chance of slipping to our pick. Just a hunch.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Reckon if the first 3 goes like that and Melbourne don't get band 1 compensation for Frawley or he stays and Carlton finished above us were a sneaky chance at Wright (I can see GWS going for Durdin). Ofc everything would have to fall almost perfectly for us to get him.

Yeah, all the stars would have to align but it's a possibility. I'd definitely like to see what we can do with Wright, but I can't see him escaping the top 3 or 4.

I haven't really considered Goddard, haven't been a huge fan based on what I've seen. We have to look at him, I guess, but I don't think he's what we need. For a behemoth, he doesn't really impose himself, and we've already got gentle giants in Roughie and Jones at either end.

 

[paulveed]

Fair point re: St Kilda and it's certainly a line-ball call. You'd think Petracca or McCartin will be their pick, either way. Bruce has shown bits and pieces as a forward (kicked three last week), and Stanley seems to be putting it all together finally, so they may be tempted to go for Petracca if they view him as the best option.

I'm not as keen on Goddard as some although I think he had surgery at the beginning of the year which may have hurt his form. I have no doubt he can be a good player, just don't think he projects as an elite first option key defender/forward.

Yeah, I can certainly see Petracca's appeal for whoever he is available to, but hasn't it been suggested that 2015 draft pool is rich in good mids ?
To me it just makes more sense for a mob like St K to pick up some good talls this year while they are there, and thus have time to develop them. Then pick up their mids later.
Admittedly I don't get to see as much junior footy these days, due to where I live now, so I am not as familiar as you with the background of some. If Goddard has come into this season with an injury cloud, that could account for form. But I still don't see a lot of the natural footy instincts [?] if that is the right term, that I prefer to see in a young player. What we often refer to as them being a "natural footballer". Then if I am completely honest, although I accept BJG is a very good footballer, I have never been as impressed with him as a lot of other people are either.

I guess Durdin appeals to me because while we have a couple of lads in the wings who might be able to fill Moz's 'natural' role, which to me would be the third tall, rather than the KP he has played so well, I don't see an ideal 2nd KPD on our list right now. To me Talia and Young fit that mould, Fletch I prefer forward, and Austin I just don't rate really.
If we get a shot at one of the top couple of KPF's, in all honesty I'd lean towards Wright over McCartin [ despite the Irish sound to his name], as I see that mobile 200cm form as the future prototype for FF's rather than the traditional gorilla types... Tippet/Buddy, rather than Lockett/Cloke.

 

[Dogsman16]

Yeah, I can certainly see Petracca's appeal for whoever he is available to, but hasn't it been suggested that 2015 draft pool is rich in good mids ?
To me it just makes more sense for a mob like St K to pick up some good talls this year while they are there, and thus have time to develop them. Then pick up their mids later.
Admittedly I don't get to see as much junior footy these days, due to where I live now, so I am not as familiar as you with the background of some. If Goddard has come into this season with an injury cloud, that could account for form. But I still don't see a lot of the natural footy instincts [?] if that is the right term, that I prefer to see in a young player. What we often refer to as them being a "natural footballer". Then if I am completely honest, although I accept BJG is a very good footballer, I have never been as impressed with him as a lot of other people are either.

I guess Durdin appeals to me because while we have a couple of lads in the wings who might be able to fill Moz's 'natural' role, which to me would be the third tall, rather than the KP he has played so well, I don't see an ideal 2nd KPD on our list right now. To me Talia and Young fit that mould, Fletch I prefer forward, and Austin I just don't rate really.
If we get a shot at one of the top couple of KPF's, in all honesty I'd lean towards Wright over McCartin [ despite the Irish sound to his name], as I see that mobile 200cm form as the future prototype for FF's rather than the traditional gorilla types... Tippet/Buddy, rather than Lockett/Cloke.

I too prefer Wright over McCartin seems as though he is pretty similiar in size to Stringer and Crameri both in height and weight, we need a 198cm + contested marking forward.

 

[Skippos]

Hey fellas. A little bit of shameless self promotion here (so for that I do apologise) but I genuinely do care about the responses too!

I've been doing a bit of writing for boundforglorynews of late and tonight (starting from 7PM with F/S and academy selections and 8PM with the proper draft) we're doing a live phantom draft on Twitter (#BFGNDraft) and on BFGN (updated every 10 picks - at this link).

There are 6 of us drafting and we've all taken a top, middle and bottom 6 team and I chose you guys (I won't lie, I have the softest of soft spots for the Dogs. Such a fantastic club #brownnose!). I was just wondering what you guys wanted so I can factor that in.

At the moment I've got 4 real needs - outside run and class, a KPD to partner Roughead, a franchise KPF and someone to hopefully play Gilbee's role. I'll also be trying to target 'Dalrymple types' as best I can.

Any feedback or interest would be much appreciated

 

[Dav1d]

Any feedback or interest would be much appreciated

yup, avoid south australians known for been gifted kicks

I'm sure you'll come up with something good

will follow it, when it starts

 

[Skippos]

yup, avoid south australians known for been gifted kicks

I'm sure you'll come up with something good

will follow it, when it starts

Yeah I've already committed to Finlayson with a 3rd as it wasn't matched. Didn't match NM 2nd for Cordy either.

Josh Glenn is someone I'm really keen to bring in but after Fuller it's a bit raw. He's a significantly more versatile and complete player though.

 

[Dav1d]

Yeah I've already committed to Finlayson with a 3rd as it wasn't matched. Didn't match NM 2nd for Cordy either.

Josh Glenn is someone I'm really keen to bring in but after Fuller it's a bit raw. He's a significantly more versatile and complete player though.

aha, some on here might not be too happy about that and probably would recruit Glenn in the real thing
means we'd likely delist Fuller though, not sure we'd do that...yet

I like Finlayson, pretty hard player to find a comparison for though

 

[Doggies7]

Hey fellas. A little bit of shameless self promotion here (so for that I do apologise) but I genuinely do care about the responses too!

I've been doing a bit of writing for boundforglorynews of late and tonight (starting from 7PM with F/S and academy selections and 8PM with the proper draft) we're doing a live phantom draft on Twitter (#BFGNDraft) and on BFGN (updated every 10 picks - at this link).

There are 6 of us drafting and we've all taken a top, middle and bottom 6 team and I chose you guys (I won't lie, I have the softest of soft spots for the Dogs. Such a fantastic club #brownnose!). I was just wondering what you guys wanted so I can factor that in.

At the moment I've got 4 real needs - outside run and class, a KPD to partner Roughead, a franchise KPF and someone to hopefully play Gilbee's role. I'll also be trying to target 'Dalrymple types' as best I can.

Any feedback or interest would be much appreciated

We are likely to Father / Son Zaine Cordy with a late pick (3rd rounder maybe) and probably will rookie list Jayden Foster. Obviously would love a Wright / McCartin if one could fall, but I can see us being more than happy with Durdin too if available. Definitely need some outside run and class and we tried to address the back flank Gilbee role with Fuller last year, but will probably look at that again this draft too.

 

[Skippos]

aha, some on here might not be too happy about that and probably would recruit Glenn in the real thing
means we'd likely delist Fuller though, not sure we'd do that...yet

I like Finlayson, pretty hard player to find a comparison for though

Haha yeah, I didn't think it'd go down well. As much as i like Cordy and what he does at the end of the day he's a relatively undersized lockdown KPD. Limited in potential matchups on size and isn't someone who's going to offensively contribute. Great player but there are players just as good available in the 4th/5th and rookie drafts. Just my 0.02c. Would love to see the dogs draft him for the 'romanticism' of it though

We are likely to Father / Son Zaine Cordy with a late pick (3rd rounder maybe) and probably will rookie list Jayden Foster. Obviously would love a Wright / McCartin if one could fall, but I can see us being more than happy with Durdin too if available. Definitely need some outside run and class and we tried to address the back flank Gilbee role with Fuller last year, but will probably look at that again this draft too.

Yeah I'd have taken Cordy in the fourth, not the 2nd/3rd though. We're only doing four rounds which rules out Foster. I'll definitely pounce if one of them fall, but barring that it's really open at pick 5. Durdin, Lever, Marchbank, Laverde & even Goddard, Weller and Ahern are on my radar.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

We are likely to Father / Son Zaine Cordy with a late pick (3rd rounder maybe) and probably will rookie list Jayden Foster. Obviously would love a Wright / McCartin if one could fall, but I can see us being more than happy with Durdin too if available. Definitely need some outside run and class and we tried to address the back flank Gilbee role with Fuller last year, but will probably look at that again this draft too.

We might be able to get Zaine Cordy with a 4th rounder with any luck, though 3rd rounder is looking most likely. From what's been doing the rounds in the last week or so, Foster may be a bit better than a rookie pick - he is leading the TAC Cup goalkicking after all.

 

[Wizard17]

Genuine goal kickers. Only have Stringer and Crameri at the moment. Need a couple more 30+ goal kickers to be a real threat for finals.

Edit: also seems that we have trying to find a forward who can back up in the ruck been experimenting with it all year to find someone capable so a second ruck/forward might also be in Dally's sights

Hey fellas. A little bit of shameless self promotion here (so for that I do apologise) but I genuinely do care about the responses too!

I've been doing a bit of writing for boundforglorynews of late and tonight (starting from 7PM with F/S and academy selections and 8PM with the proper draft) we're doing a live phantom draft on Twitter (#BFGNDraft) and on BFGN (updated every 10 picks - at this link).

There are 6 of us drafting and we've all taken a top, middle and bottom 6 team and I chose you guys (I won't lie, I have the softest of soft spots for the Dogs. Such a fantastic club #brownnose!). I was just wondering what you guys wanted so I can factor that in.

At the moment I've got 4 real needs - outside run and class, a KPD to partner Roughead, a franchise KPF and someone to hopefully play Gilbee's role. I'll also be trying to target 'Dalrymple types' as best I can.

Any feedback or interest would be much appreciated

 

[Skippos]

This mightn't end well

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I'll also be trying to target 'Dalrymple types' as best I can.

Christian Howard?

Good luck mate, will be following with interest.