List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Skippos]

something similar to Skippos would be pretty good, what do you think Wizard17

1st Lever or Laverde
2nd Keitel
Compo (?) Finlayson
3rd ...probably Cordy or the best available
4th Drummond/Hislop? a midfielder or if Cordy was here..even better

rookie Foster, outside types of midfielders

Vickers-Willis totally screams a player we'd take, hard working defender that does the team things...real ugly kicking style

Finlayson's likely gonna go to GWS. I imagine they'll match any bid for him - I was just lucky in the BFGN draft that the bloke drafting for GWS didn't know anything about him or Steele so let them through to me.

Keitel was a poor pick. My targets had been snaffled up (expected Garlett to be there) and I didn't see any fits that weren't a massive reach. Keitel probably should be there at the compo pick and even then I'm not too sure. He doesn't lead to the right spots and he's a passive player at times. Can imagine he'd be the kind of player that'd frustrate the **** out of you guys a bit like how Jones does (but in completely different ways). I'd say you'd be better off pouncing on a Bevan or Watchman type really late that go KPF in the second as while both of those blokes have had poor champs and interrupted seasons, they've both got some raw potential to work with instead of just the 'what you see is what you get' Keitel offers.

Plenty of gems will be available late in this draft and in the rookie draft. Back Dalrymple to nail them too. Hope he does, at least.

 

[Dav1d]

Finlayson's likely gonna go to GWS. I imagine they'll match any bid for him - I was just lucky in the BFGN draft that the bloke drafting for GWS didn't know anything about him or Steele so let them through to me.

Keitel was a poor pick. My targets had been snaffled up (expected Garlett to be there) and I didn't see any fits that weren't a massive reach. Keitel probably should be there at the compo pick and even then I'm not too sure. He doesn't lead to the right spots and he's a passive player at times. Can imagine he'd be the kind of player that'd frustrate the **** out of you guys a bit like how Jones does (but in completely different ways). I'd say you'd be better off pouncing on a Bevan or Watchman type really late that go KPF in the second as while both of those blokes have had poor champs and interrupted seasons, they've both got some raw potential to work with instead of just the 'what you see is what you get' Keitel offers.

Plenty of gems will be available late in this draft and in the rookie draft. Back Dalrymple to nail them too. Hope he does, at least.

Did you see much of the other GWS academy player, Coughlan?

Steele is more a half forward isn't he? fair points of Keitel, I'm sure our development/recruiters would back any player with weaknesses like that to change in the right training environment

Bevan definitely reminds me of Jones
never got to see a hell of a lot of Watchman, but I'm sure you'd have seen a bit

yeah Finlayson has versatility on his side and our recruiting guys seem to really like that

most of our supporters will get annoyed when we probably take a KPD with our first pick, but like you said on the other board
you're drafting for a few years ahead, not the next year

I expect we'll probably go for some bigger bodies somewhere in the draft, noted we had Winton/Petracca on our radar
so those bigger bodied types might be something that is a target come the draft

 

[Skippos]

Did you see much of the other GWS academy player, Coughlan?

Steele is more a half forward isn't he? fair points of Keitel, I'm sure our development/recruiters would back any player with weaknesses like that to change in the right training environment

Bevan definitely reminds me of Jones
never got to see a hell of a lot of Watchman, but I'm sure you'd have seen a bit

yeah Finlayson has versatility on his side and our recruiting guys seem to really like that

most of our supporters will get annoyed when we probably take a KPD with our first pick, but like you said on the other board
you're drafting for a few years ahead, not the next year

I expect we'll probably go for some bigger bodies somewhere in the draft, noted we had Winton/Petracca on our radar
so those bigger bodied types might be something that is a target come the draft

I see Steele and I see Robbie Gray. A half forward without much athleticism (though alright lateral movement) but a fantastic read of the play and a smart user of the football. Also similarly capable at winning clearances despite not having any attributes that traditionally lend to being good at them. I'd probably play him off half forward until he becomes rather good then look at moving him into the square. Think he'll be a real player, though I expect GWS to lock him up as he's someone they could really use.

Bevan does have a bit of Jones in him. I think it's very likely he won't make it. But he has more defining qualities than Keitel. Keitel's just 'vanilla' if you know what I mean. He's good at lots of things but not great or better at anything. He can put up good numbers in colts and champs but as the standard rises he won't have the tools to raise his game. At 194 he's not physically dominant and only reasonable at ground level. Doesn't excel at pack marking and his leading patterns aren't great. While I back your setup to unlock and develop skills in players other clubs cannot, Keitel doesn't have the talents to unlock. I'm definitely coming around to the view of many talented spotters on here that Keitel might just be an excellent state leaguer/good for depth and not much more. Bevan's certainly more likely to be worse than Keitel but he's better in key areas - I prefer his athleticism and ground level work and he's got a longer boot. I prefer what he does up the ground too. He's definitely less physical and worse in contested situations but I don't think either of them are ever going to have that element define them; there's a bit more upside with Bevan's athleticism to develop a sufficient contested game. Bevan's just not a smart footballer which is what holds him back - something I'd hope you guys could work on. Has been putting up good numbers in the colts, similar/better to Keitel iirc and Bevan's definitely more of a project.

Watchman's a strange one. Has the talent but gone off the boil this year. From what I've heard there are some mental health issues there which he's working on fixing and seems to be doing a reasonable job of it. Not dissimilar to McKenzie in some ways in that he is quite big and developed for someone his age and his performances up until now at junior levels could be by virtue of that physical dominance. However he's showed some real game forward in the SANFL reserves against bigger bodied and more skilled/experienced defenders. He's a reasonable kid deep down so I'd back him to get over his mental issues and on talent he's probably got more runs on the board than the other KPPs, I'm certainly not inspired enough by any of them so I'd back Watchman's versatility and runs on the board - he'd be a good pickup in the late third round and I expect him to slide there too. Provided he gets his head in the game he's a real chance of making it.

Lever or Durdin fit the immediate need too. Franchise KPFs are really quite necessary but I don't think there's any guarantee that one will be there at 5-7 with McCartin, Moore and Wright the only players I think have the game to do that with Goddard and Durdin both being mediocre forwards and respectable defenders. Next year factoring in some improvement I'd think you'll be in the 7-10 draft range and given the increase allure of that top end with Keays, O'Kearney, Mathieson, Parish, Tucker, Tahana and Partington all projecting to be top 10-15 picks already which might see someone like Schache or Burton (pending growth) available as blokes like Stewart, Hopper, Weitering, Skinner, Collins, Wilson, Olekans, Weideman, Beioley, Clark and Francis all could push for that range and there are inevitably gonna be blokes who emerge next year - it's just unfortunate that Dunkley, Mills and Dennis aren't in the open pool as they'll have pushed a franchise forward to your pick anyway.

tl;dr Long story short I think the top end next year is stronger and you're likely to be able to get a better forward with a 7-10 next year than you would with 5 this year.

Yeah Petracca won't be available at your pick. Winton's a strange one, was rated top 20-30 pre-champs but a shocker really saw him drop, now many have him outside the top 100. I've still got a gut feel that he'll end up worthwhile (which kinda sucks as those gut feels are really hard to back up!). He's shown that he can perform at WAFL level for Peel, for example. I think he's a confidence player - and also a better reader of the play than he's shown. Can't see him being a midfielder but off half back I think he might be able to make a name for himself.

Josh Glenn is probably the best big body to fit your needs or perhaps a Jackson Nelson. Gore, Bampton and Evans are pure insiders while De Goey will likely not be there for your second pick. Glenn despite being mature aged as a tough as nails balanced mid/def who wins his own ball but also is really good on the outside. Really like him.

Wow this post ended up much longer than I expected it to

 

[Wizard17]

Reckon McKenzie will be taken by our second. Has a lot of good traits, see him as the best KPF aside from McCartin and Wright atm. Also could see us taking someone like Josh Fox as a Rookie, he has good leading patterns and can find a lot of ball at ground level too. Shame he hasn't been played as a forward once this year (so I'm going off a couple of bags he kicked last year).
Also a Tassie forward next year Dodge I think? Looks the goods. Hisham Kerbetieh and Wunhym down at Calder going to be a good draft for players tilted toward outside rather than inside.

I see Steele and I see Robbie Gray. A half forward without much athleticism (though alright lateral movement) but a fantastic read of the play and a smart user of the football. Also similarly capable at winning clearances despite not having any attributes that traditionally lend to being good at them. I'd probably play him off half forward until he becomes rather good then look at moving him into the square. Think he'll be a real player, though I expect GWS to lock him up as he's someone they could really use.

Bevan does have a bit of Jones in him. I think it's very likely he won't make it. But he has more defining qualities than Keitel. Keitel's just 'vanilla' if you know what I mean. He's good at lots of things but not great or better at anything. He can put up good numbers in colts and champs but as the standard rises he won't have the tools to raise his game. At 194 he's not physically dominant and only reasonable at ground level. Doesn't excel at pack marking and his leading patterns aren't great. While I back your setup to unlock and develop skills in players other clubs cannot, Keitel doesn't have the talents to unlock. I'm definitely coming around to the view of many talented spotters on here that Keitel might just be an excellent state leaguer/good for depth and not much more. Bevan's certainly more likely to be worse than Keitel but he's better in key areas - I prefer his athleticism and ground level work and he's got a longer boot. I prefer what he does up the ground too. He's definitely less physical and worse in contested situations but I don't think either of them are ever going to have that element define them; there's a bit more upside with Bevan's athleticism to develop a sufficient contested game. Bevan's just not a smart footballer which is what holds him back - something I'd hope you guys could work on. Has been putting up good numbers in the colts, similar/better to Keitel iirc and Bevan's definitely more of a project.

Watchman's a strange one. Has the talent but gone off the boil this year. From what I've heard there are some mental health issues there which he's working on fixing and seems to be doing a reasonable job of it. Not dissimilar to McKenzie in some ways in that he is quite big and developed for someone his age and his performances up until now at junior levels could be by virtue of that physical dominance. However he's showed some real game forward in the SANFL reserves against bigger bodied and more skilled/experienced defenders. He's a reasonable kid deep down so I'd back him to get over his mental issues and on talent he's probably got more runs on the board than the other KPPs, I'm certainly not inspired enough by any of them so I'd back Watchman's versatility and runs on the board - he'd be a good pickup in the late third round and I expect him to slide there too. Provided he gets his head in the game he's a real chance of making it.

Lever or Durdin fit the immediate need too. Franchise KPFs are really quite necessary but I don't think there's any guarantee that one will be there at 5-7 with McCartin, Moore and Wright the only players I think have the game to do that with Goddard and Durdin both being mediocre forwards and respectable defenders. Next year factoring in some improvement I'd think you'll be in the 7-10 draft range and given the increase allure of that top end with Keays, O'Kearney, Mathieson, Parish, Tucker, Tahana and Partington all projecting to be top 10-15 picks already which might see someone like Schache or Burton (pending growth) available as blokes like Stewart, Hopper, Weitering, Skinner, Collins, Wilson, Olekans, Weideman, Beioley, Clark and Francis all could push for that range and there are inevitably gonna be blokes who emerge next year - it's just unfortunate that Dunkley, Mills and Dennis aren't in the open pool as they'll have pushed a franchise forward to your pick anyway.

tl;dr Long story short I think the top end next year is stronger and you're likely to be able to get a better forward with a 7-10 next year than you would with 5 this year.

Yeah Petracca won't be available at your pick. Winton's a strange one, was rated top 20-30 pre-champs but a shocker really saw him drop, now many have him outside the top 100. I've still got a gut feel that he'll end up worthwhile (which kinda sucks as those gut feels are really hard to back up!). He's shown that he can perform at WAFL level for Peel, for example. I think he's a confidence player - and also a better reader of the play than he's shown. Can't see him being a midfielder but off half back I think he might be able to make a name for himself.

Josh Glenn is probably the best big body to fit your needs or perhaps a Jackson Nelson. Gore, Bampton and Evans are pure insiders while De Goey will likely not be there for your second pick. Glenn despite being mature aged as a tough as nails balanced mid/def who wins his own ball but also is really good on the outside. Really like him.

Wow this post ended up much longer than I expected it to

 

[Dav1d]

I see Steele and I see Robbie Gray. A half forward without much athleticism (though alright lateral movement) but a fantastic read of the play and a smart user of the football. Also similarly capable at winning clearances despite not having any attributes that traditionally lend to being good at them. I'd probably play him off half forward until he becomes rather good then look at moving him into the square. Think he'll be a real player, though I expect GWS to lock him up as he's someone they could really use.

Lever or Durdin fit the immediate need too. Franchise KPFs are really quite necessary but I don't think there's any guarantee that one will be there at 5-7 with McCartin, Moore and Wright the only players I think have the game to do that with Goddard and Durdin both being mediocre forwards and respectable defenders. Next year factoring in some improvement I'd think you'll be in the 7-10 draft range and given the increase allure of that top end with Keays, O'Kearney, Mathieson, Parish, Tucker, Tahana and Partington all projecting to be top 10-15 picks already which might see someone like Schache or Burton (pending growth) available as blokes like Stewart, Hopper, Weitering, Skinner, Collins, Wilson, Olekans, Weideman, Beioley, Clark and Francis all could push for that range and there are inevitably gonna be blokes who emerge next year - it's just unfortunate that Dunkley, Mills and Dennis aren't in the open pool as they'll have pushed a franchise forward to your pick anyway.

tl;dr Long story short I think the top end next year is stronger and you're likely to be able to get a better forward with a 7-10 next year than you would with 5 this year.

Josh Glenn is probably the best big body to fit your needs or perhaps a Jackson Nelson. Gore, Bampton and Evans are pure insiders while De Goey will likely not be there for your second pick. Glenn despite being mature aged as a tough as nails balanced mid/def who wins his own ball but also is really good on the outside. Really like him.

Wow this post ended up much longer than I expected it to

can't imagine the long version

yeah, the recruitment guys will probably have an eye on next year so anything not covered in this draft will likely be addressed in the next draft
not expecting us to bolt up the ladder rapidly, so should still have a reasonable pick

if you weren't able to get Keitel at your second round pick, who would have been your next choice? in your highlights of him, it shows him scrapping for a lot of the ball, but the way Brett Anderson wrote him up earlier in the year it sounded as though he was an outside midfielder; Cuncio was one I liked, not sure how much of a Dogs pick he is though (not really a hard ball gatherer)

so if Steele/Finlayson are nominated early second round, you expect they'll take them both? I was a bit disappointed in Liam Griffiths having a quiet one, because he sounded as if he had everything we lack...still could be an option though, what do you see in his game?

I'll admit I have seen 0 footage of Glenn, other then goals of the week; Fuller will probably stay on the list though
we seem very patient with our players...

 

[Skippos]

Reckon McKenzie will be taken by our second. Has a lot of good traits, see him as the best KPF aside from McCartin and Wright atm. Also could see us taking someone like Josh Fox as a Rookie, he has good leading patterns and can find a lot of ball at ground level too. Shame he hasn't been played as a forward once this year (so I'm going off a couple of bags he kicked last year).
Also a Tassie forward next year Dodge I think? Looks the goods. Hisham Kerbetieh and Wunhym down at Calder going to be a good draft for players tilted toward outside rather than inside.

I've heard from a recruiter that they believe clubs see McKenzie as a late draft/rookie option. All it'd take is one club to rate him highly for him to go in the second round but I think in general he's not rated by most clubs who see him as someone whose success comes from physical superiority and not natural ability which raises concerns over how it'll translate to AFL level. While I do think he's got some potential to be that number 1 bloke I think there's a greater chance he'll be a Willits-esque bust. Fox could be worth a punt in the rookie though, agreed. Dodge looks like a kid with some potential but at 182 cm he's going to have to make it as a medium sized or small forward.

can't imagine the long version

yeah, the recruitment guys will probably have an eye on next year so anything not covered in this draft will likely be addressed in the next draft
not expecting us to bolt up the ladder rapidly, so should still have a reasonable pick

if you weren't able to get Keitel at your second round pick, who would have been your next choice? in your highlights of him, it shows him scrapping for a lot of the ball, but the way Brett Anderson wrote him up earlier in the year it sounded as though he was an outside midfielder; Cuncio was one I liked, not sure how much of a Dogs pick he is though (not really a hard ball gatherer)

so if Steele/Finlayson are nominated early second round, you expect they'll take them both? I was a bit disappointed in Liam Griffiths having a quiet one, because he sounded as if he had everything we lack...still could be an option though, what do you see in his game?

I'll admit I have seen 0 footage of Glenn, other then goals of the week; Fuller will probably stay on the list though
we seem very patient with our players...

Yeah I think next year you'll be able to fill some holes. If you go KPP this year there's a lot of quality who can play through the middle (tucker/parish/partington/o'kearney/mathieson) and a lot of them have both outside and inside games, something a bit lacking in this draft with only Petracca, Brayshaw and Heeney really being top level talents who have inside & outside games (and even then, Brayshaw leans inside and Petracca's a bit unique in general) and I think that's the kind of midfielder you guys will target - someone who's outside leaning with some pace/skills but also capable of winning their own ball. Where I had that pick was just a terrible time. I tossed up Keitel v McKenzie (in fact was leaning McKenzie until I was talked out of it, rightfully) v picking a mid and taking a Bevan/Watchman type later. Maynard, Glenn, Capiron, Hamilton, Smith, Wigg, Webb, Viojo-Rainbow and Nelson were the other considerations but none really felt like they fit a list need or were good enough to take there. It'd probably have been Nelson if not a KPP and that felt like a reach and a half. Nakia Cockatoo is someone I could see fitting in well with your list, just has played very limited amounts of football over the last two years which is the issue.

Cunico is very outside. A bit Clint Young-ish in that he likes to roam the wings and flanks finding uncontested marks and using his good footskills to penetrate. He's just neither a volume accumulator or defensive runner and doesn't win his own ball at all - too many crosses for mine. Liam Griffiths is a very poor man's Gaff, hard runner and quick runner down the wings but where he differs from Gaff is his absolutely lack of composure. I don't think he's draftable at this stage. I expect they'll take them both purely because taking one means they get the other a round later like you guys did with Wallis/Libba. While Finlayson is only a fringe second round pick Steele presents enough good value in the third to pounce on Finlayson at 'value.' With a 3rd & 4th they'd be mad not to. Just realised I didn't answer the bit about Coughlan - injuries seem to have really effected him. Showed a bit but I wouldn't be drafting him now due to his performances - he's someone I'd like to see come back as an overager in good shape and push for selection that way.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Draft summary for my picks in the BF draft trial run:

Really interested to hear some thoughts on my draft from both Dogs supporters and the other draft watchers. I'm reasonably happy with it and think that, while some risks were taken, I don't believe I've made any major reaches and have succeeded in identifying players that clearly have something to offer the Dogs.

Pick #6: Jayden Laverde
While I acknowledge that some see this as being too early for Jayden - for totally understandable reasons - I really like him as a player and see the propensity for him to work on his weaknesses and allow him to develop into a fantastic footballer. At this point it's probably more an aptitude rather than ability pick, but I've seen enough of him in terms of exposed performance to have faith in his development and believe that he'll do pick 6 proud. In the long term, he adds size, speed and skill to the Bulldogs midfield and in the short term provides some real rebound from the back half. Playing alongside the likes of Libba, Wallis, Griffen and Boyd/Smith will see them doing the majority of the grunt work on the inside and allow him to play to his strengths and be a really dangerous option on the wing, and hopefully develop the ability to at least pinch-hit on-ball in the future. Jake Lever was the other player seriously considered at this pick and while I do really like him, am a little put off by having not seen him in about a year.

Pick #24: Reece McKenzie
Opinions on McKenzie differ considerably and he's one that is exceptionally difficult to place. The first thing I will say is that his big games are not what has won me over on Reece; instead, I see them as support for my opinions. While they were against weak opposition, I really like his scope for improvement and would expect him to have those hauls at this stage. His marking, combined with his size and smarts will make him a formidable key target, in my opinion, and is one of very few genuine number 1 talls in this draft - and that's exactly what the Dogs need. He adds physicality, contested marking ability and the propensity to develop into the type of player that can draw large quantities of the ball and really impact the scoreboard. Tyler Keitel, Clem Smith, Liam Dawson, Ed Vickers-Willis and Sean McLaren were amongst a multitude of options considered at this pick.

Pick #42: Jack Hayes
As I said in the write-up, I don't believe Hayes is getting the attention he probably deserves. Prior to this year he was considered a top twenty pick by quite a few people - and all that's really changed is a move to the back-line, where he showed very decent ability to shut down his man. He hasn't lost any of the ability that saw him impress a lot of people up forward, and instead has just added versatility to his game through a forced positional change. In my opinion he would work really well in tandem with McKenzie, offering the tackling support and work up the ground that McKenzie isn't fantastic with. In addition, he adds further marking and goal-kicking ability, as well as more size to the Bulldogs forward line. Connor Menadue, Jack Steele, Brayden Maynard and Kyle Langford were all considered here.

Pick #60: Connor Menadue
As mentioned previously, Menadue was heavily considered at my previous pick but instead opted to go with the height and goal-kicking ability of Hayes. I was really, really happy to have him slide to my next pick and see him as a player with a lot to work with, who also offers a lot of what the 'Dogs lack as a side: speed. Once he bulks up I can see him offering some real run and carry off a wing, something the Dogs have been crying out for for a long time. His distribution forward will also be much loved by the forwards, who cop the raw end of the deal at times with the delivery sub-par and slow. Other players considered at this pick included Jason Castagna, Zaine Cordy, Declan Hamilton and Mitch McGovern.

Pick #78: Dan Howe (write-up done btw)
I really like the fit for Howe at the Dogs; we really need that aerial support in defense, and it's one thing that Howe is really good at. His ability to block leads and cover space will be a huge asset for our defense, and it's something that we've craved for quite a while. Obviously his inability to shut down dangerous opposition and perceived lack of scope for improvement is a concern, but this late in the draft you take the good with the bad and Howe has enough good to get by. Other players I considered were Jesse Watchman, Nathan Drummond, Oscar McDonald, Brenton Payne and Hugh Beasley.

The wrap: My major aim heading into the draft wasn't necessarily to fill holes or target needs; I went in looking for the players I deemed best available with a bias towards height when in doubt (that is, when two players were deemed minimally separated in terms of ability). While I didn't want to go in looking distinctly for height, the Dogs really do need to add some, hence the bias. My real focus was on versatility, as it's something I see as being invaluable at AFL level. I'm reasonably happy with the outcome and think I added a bit of height, filled a few roles for us, and also injected some real versatility into the squad with five players that can play in multiple positions. More specifically, I added some tall support up forward in Hayes and McKenzie, some speed and skill through the back half and on the wings in Menadue and Laverde, and some aerial team support in the back half with Howe. My only real disappointment was being unable to take a genuine key position defensive prospect but the way the draft fell I was just unable to make it happen without reaching too much. In an ideal world Durdin would have been available at my first pick but unfortunately it didn't happen that way. Overall, though, I'm happy with how it went and would be content should this happen in the real thing.

A very rough potential future line-up off the top of my head:
Picken Roughead Wood
Howe Talia Laverde

Bontempelli Liberatore Macrae

Smith Hayes Crameri
Jones McKenzie Dahlhaus

Campbell Griffen Wallis

Hunter Hrovat Stringer
Menadue

EMG: Johannisen Hunter Roberts

Clearly the back line is still the weak spot and more will need to be done to bolster that, but the lineup itself looks more potent and balanced.

 

[Wizard17]

A couple of overagers that played in the VFL this week.

Liam Hunt (Northern Blues) (Northern Knights)
&
Taylor Grace (Sandringham) (Sandringham Dragons)

Will update what with what they did later

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I was reading about Patrick McCartin considering we have interviewed him multiple times. Seems like an excellent prospect and quality kid. While reading reports on him I stumbled onto the BFG report on Reece McKenzie.

Holy Shit.

Has anyone here actually seen him play live?

If the reports on him are accurate it sounds like he will be long gone at our 2 round or possible Higgins pick.

So the question then becomes is he a top tenner? Is he a viable pick 6/7? On the face of it, a player who didn't play nationals shouldn't go that high but after McCartin he seems to be the best pure KPF.

 

[_M_16_]

I was reading about Patrick McCartin considering we have interviewed him multiple times. Seems like an excellent prospect and quality kid. While reading reports on him I stumbled onto the BFG report on Reece McKenzie.

Holy Shit.

Has anyone here actually seen him play live?

If the reports on him are accurate it sounds like he will be long gone at our 2 round or possible Higgins pick.

So the question then becomes is he a top tenner? Is he a viable pick 6/7? On the face of it, a player who didn't play nationals shouldn't go that high but after McCartin he seems to be the best pure KPF.

There has been a bit of discussion on McKenzie the last few pages, and the general consensus is, that whilst some have stars in their eyes over him, other feel that he is only dominating due to his size, and bully's small defenders, and question whether he can take it to the next level. Apparently some people in the industry feel that way according to a couple on here. Though I am happy to take the risk on him with our second round pick, but being the 2nd or 3rd tall after McCartin, cannot see him making it out of the first round, many teams will be happy to take the punt

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

There has been a bit of discussion on McKenzie the last few pages, and the general consensus is, that whilst some have stars in their eyes over him, other feel that he is only dominating due to his size, and bully's small defenders, and question whether he can take it to the next level. Apparently some people in the industry feel that way according to a couple on here. Though I am happy to take the risk on him with our second round pick, but being the 2nd or 3rd tall after McCartin, cannot see him making it out of the first round, many teams will be happy to take the punt

Yeah its interesting. You don't want to take a gamble with quality players on the board, but you don't want to miss on him (Jake Carlisle style) if he is the guy, to my mind tough he's a similar risk to Durdin who has shown very little this year (probaby less than McKenzie in fact) who some feel would be a good pick. Perhaps the smart play (medical intormation pending) is to just take Jake Lever and hope he's our CHB for the next decade.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

This might have been posted a while back, but just incase it hasn't.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Yeah its interesting. You don't want to take a gamble with quality players on the board, but you don't want to miss on him (Jake Carlisle style) if he is the guy, to my mind tough he's a similar risk to Durdin who has shown very little this year (probaby less than McKenzie in fact) who some feel would be a good pick. Perhaps the smart play (medical intormation pending) is to just take Jake Lever and hope he's our CHB for the next decade.

I know what you're saying, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that Durdin hasn't shown much this year and, because of that, the "smart play" would be to take Lever - a guy who's actually shown nothing because he's been injured all year.

I'm keen on both but the same risks are attached to both of them. If Lever's injury was in the off-season and it took him a bit longer than expected to build form we'd be saying the same thing about him as we are about Durdin. For all we know Lever's injury occurring this year could have saved him from sliding - we can't know for sure what his form would have been like without the injury.

Don't get me wrong, I like both and think there are valid reasons for selecting either one over the other, I just don't think this is one of them. With these two in particular you're making the pick irrespective of form, and more on what you see them becoming.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I know what you're saying, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that Durdin hasn't shown much this year and, because of that, the "smart play" would be to take Lever - a guy who's actually shown nothing because he's been injured all year.

I'm keen on both but the same risks are attached to both of them. If Lever's injury was in the off-season and it took him a bit longer than expected to build form we'd be saying the same thing about him as we are about Durdin. For all we know Lever's injury occurring this year could have saved him from sliding - we can't know for sure what his form would have been like without the injury.

Don't get me wrong, I like both and think there are valid reasons for selecting either one over the other, I just don't think this is one of them. With these two in particular you're making the pick irrespective of form, and more on what you see them becoming.

Your right, Sorry Dannnnnnnnnn.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Your right, Sorry Dannnnnnnnnn.

I'm getting swayed to the Lever side though, don't you worry. Would be a very tough decision for me. Both very different players with several similar risks, and a couple of weaknesses unique to each of them. Also like Laverde, of course.

Would be much easier if Wright slid!

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I'm getting swayed to the Lever side though, don't you worry. Would be a very tough decision for me. Both very different players with several similar risks, and a couple of weaknesses unique to each of them. Also like Laverde, of course.

Would be much easier if Wright slid!

Could happen if Saints take Petrecca and the Lions take McCartin......

No who am kidding SOS will never do the right thing and draft somone under 190 cms, he defiantly take Wright if he's there.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Could happen if Saints take Petrecca and the Lions take McCartin......

No who am kidding SOS will never do the right thing and draft somone under 190 cms, he defiantly take Wright if he's there.

There's supposedly a recruiter that rates Durdin the best of the bunch; I'm hoping that's SOS. St Kilda going Petracca and Lions going McCartin are both pretty realistic, and GWS taking a key defender would also make sense. Melbourne probably go Brayshaw in that scenario, although wouldn't count them out of going tall...

Damn winning too many games! Wright and Campbell would be a fantastic key forward/ruck combination heading into the future I reckon.

 

[Skippos]

I was reading about Patrick McCartin considering we have interviewed him multiple times. Seems like an excellent prospect and quality kid. While reading reports on him I stumbled onto the BFG report on Reece McKenzie.

Holy Shit.

Has anyone here actually seen him play live?

If the reports on him are accurate it sounds like he will be long gone at our 2 round or possible Higgins pick.

So the question then becomes is he a top tenner? Is he a viable pick 6/7? On the face of it, a player who didn't play nationals shouldn't go that high but after McCartin he seems to be the best pure KPF.

Just thought I'd chip in. McKenzie's possibly the most polarising player in the entire crop. Blokes like KM on here think he's top notch. A lot of TAC cup watchers see him dominate and think he's top notch. You'll read a lot of people who write about him as if he's one of the best. Then there's another group of people who reckon he's in that late second-fourth kind of bracket. I'm one of them, for the record. His bag of 10 was against a depleted and shitty Eastern Ranges and the 7 was against NT who are both tiny and awful. Those in the second group believe his performance has been not through translatable ability but physical dominance. I have heard from people in the business that plenty of recruiters are also in the second group. All it will take is one who isn't for him to go high, though.

Normally when reading profiles and that online while individuals may differ on things they agree on many and you don't get much difference in terms of valuations and 'what they'll become. You will with McKenzie. For every fan there's someone who rates him in the fourth.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

Just thought I'd chip in. McKenzie's possibly the most polarising player in the entire crop. Blokes like KM on here think he's top notch. A lot of TAC cup watchers see him dominate and think he's top notch. You'll read a lot of people who write about him as if he's one of the best. Then there's another group of people who reckon he's in that late second-fourth kind of bracket. I'm one of them, for the record. His bag of 10 was against a depleted and shitty Eastern Ranges and the 7 was against NT who are both tiny and awful. Those in the second group believe his performance has been not through translatable ability but physical dominance. I have heard from people in the business that plenty of recruiters are also in the second group. All it will take is one who isn't for him to go high, though.

Normally when reading profiles and that online while individuals may differ on things they agree on many and you don't get much difference in terms of valuations and 'what they'll become. You will with McKenzie. For every fan there's someone who rates him in the fourth.

Right thanks for the info.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Doesn't McKenzie already weigh over 100kg though? Wouldn't that be a factor?

 

[doggies ftw]

There's supposedly a recruiter that rates Durdin the best of the bunch; I'm hoping that's SOS. St Kilda going Petracca and Lions going McCartin are both pretty realistic, and GWS taking a key defender would also make sense. Melbourne probably go Brayshaw in that scenario, although wouldn't count them out of going tall...

Damn winning too many games! Wright and Campbell would be a fantastic key forward/ruck combination heading into the future I reckon.

Campbell/Wright would be so perfect! if we finish below Carlton it's a slight chance IMO.

For the guys who have seen a lot of him. Could Lever potentially play CHF. Good skills, good mark, 194cm, athletic. Fits the bill IMO

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Campbell/Wright would be so perfect! if we finish below Carlton it's a slight chance IMO.

For the guys who have seen a lot of him. Could Lever potentially play CHF. Good skills, good mark, 194cm, athletic. Fits the bill IMO

He probably could, but he's the closest thing to a natural defender you could find, really. I'd be more interested in seeing whether he can transition to the midfield than to the forward line.

He's a different beast to Scharenberg last year, who probably played a vaguely similar role in the back half, but was a high selection because of his propensity to transition into the midfield. Lever is just an incredibly smart player and knows exactly what to do as a defender.

 

[doggies ftw]

He probably could, but he's the closest thing to a natural defender you could find, really. I'd be more interested in seeing whether he can transition to the midfield than to the forward line.

He's a different beast to Scharenberg last year, who probably played a vaguely similar role in the back half, but was a high selection because of his propensity to transition into the midfield. Lever is just an incredibly smart player and knows exactly what to do as a defender.

It's those footy smarts combined with his athletic abilities which scream gun CHF to me though. But yeah you're probably right that he's better suited down back, it's something id love to see tried though.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Like the look of De Goey, nice kick and good size. Probably will go around the 10-20 mark though.

 

[fronkalicious]

He probably could, but he's the closest thing to a natural defender you could find, really. I'd be more interested in seeing whether he can transition to the midfield than to the forward line.

He's a different beast to Scharenberg last year, who probably played a vaguely similar role in the back half, but was a high selection because of his propensity to transition into the midfield. Lever is just an incredibly smart player and knows exactly what to do as a defender.

Footy smart, tough and can run. Alrighty then.