List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[footyfan000001]

No way melbourne use take their frawley pick to the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if Roos trades both of their first rounders to be honest.

I've said it before, but if we want wright badly enough, he's there for the taking.

What do we have that we can give up? Thats the problem. We have nobody of value that we can 'afford' to get rid of. We just dont have that middle man! We have duds and then 'untouchables'. Nothing in between.

 

[footyfan000001]

I haven't been following the draft very closely, but from what I've read and the footage I've seen, this years top 10 crop don't look to be in the same league as the talent available in the last 2 years. Is that an unfair assessment?

The top 5 is pretty solid! Petracca is going to be a beast.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

arggh this talk of Freo trumping Geelong's offer to Frawley doesn't bode well... I am happy with any of McCartin, Wright, or Durdin (or Darcy Moore if Pies dont out bid). But if we miss them all I think I'll cry.

 

[footyfan000001]

arggh this talk of Freo trumping Geelong's offer to Frawley doesn't bode well... I am happy with any of McCartin, Wright, or Durdin (or Darcy Moore if Pies dont out bid). But if we miss them all I think I'll cry.

If Dees were smart they'd just draft 2 best mids at Pick 2 and 3.

 

[F3000]

If Dees were smart they'd just draft 2 best mids at Pick 2 and 3.

They should, and lets hope they do. Cross is filling a spot for them, which will expire quickly, and Jones is the only one holding them up besides a few younguns that need help.

Another thing no one has taken into account is what they are going to get for Mitch Clark. That will influence their pick, and if they swap him for Lumumba, which looks likely, that gives them back reinforcement. But they may be looking for more KPD to fill Frawley's role, and the uncertainty of Trengove's recovery.

Either way Pick #3 for Frawley is rubbish. Feeling robbed by that. End of Round One seems fairer.

 

[footyfan000001]

They should, and lets hope they do. Cross is filling a spot for them, which will expire quickly, and Jones is the only one holding them up besides a few younguns that need help.

Another thing no one has taken into account is what they are going to get for Mitch Clark. That will influence their pick, and if they swap him for Lumumba, which looks likely, that gives them back reinforcement. But they may be looking for more KPD to fill Frawley's role, and the uncertainty of Trengove's recovery.

Either way Pick #3 for Frawley is rubbish. Feeling robbed by that. End of Round One seems fairer.

I am honestly not worried at all. I can't see Melbourne picking up a KP Forward (Dawes/Fitzpatrick/Hogan/Gawn and not to mention their midfield is the issue) and if they are to trade pick 3 it will no doubt be to GWS for maybe an O'Rourke/Jacksch package deal. And in that case GWS won't pick up a key forward in Wright or McCartin. I am confident we are in with a good chance to get one of Wright or McCartin. I think Dees will keep Pick 2 and 3 - will draft Brayshaw with 2 and then either another mid or a Key backman to replace Frawley (Durdin or Lever) with 3.

 

[F3000]

I am honestly not worried at all. I can't see Melbourne picking up a KP Forward (Dawes/Fitzpatrick/Hogan/Gawn and not to mention their midfield is the issue) and if they are to trade pick 3 it will no doubt be to GWS for maybe an O'Rourke/Jacksch package deal. And in that case GWS won't pick up a key forward in Wright or McCartin. I am confident we are in with a good chance to get one of Wright or McCartin. I think Dees will keep Pick 2 and 3 - will draft Brayshaw with 2 and then either another mid or a Key backman to replace Frawley (Durdin or Lever) with 3.

Fair comment, and I hope you're right. It's idealistic though, and I just cant see anyone overlooking KPFs anymore in any draft. They are gold to AFL. Look at the attention/currency Patton Cameron and Boyd attract years beyond their availability. You'd pick one up knowing you would have the power to trade them off to desperate clubs in coming years if you have the highest draft pick (well I would). Free agency has changed the game, and we're more like the EPL now. The rich will cherrypick from desperate clubs to stay up the top.

 

[paul scholes]

Nothing more certain than the Dees trading one if not both those picks.

 

[paul scholes]

Fair comment, and I hope you're right. It's idealistic though, and I just cant see anyone overlooking KPFs anymore in any draft. They are gold to AFL. Look at the attention/currency Patton Cameron and Boyd attract years beyond their availability. You'd pick one up knowing you would have the power to trade them off to desperate clubs in coming years if you have the highest draft pick (well I would). Free agency has changed the game, and we're more like the EPL now. The rich will cherrypick from desperate clubs to stay up the top.

Not sure about the rich clubs only.
Wouldn't say Norf are a rich club, nor Port. It seems if you're in a contending phase you're a chance with a f/a.

 

[Dogsman16]

Don't think we are any chance in hell of getting Wright or McCartin with our first, it just quite simply won't happen, we might even miss out on Durdin with this melbourne compo pick and with our bad luck and melbourne will probably trade one of those picks for a club looking for a KPF.
We might as well establish a Hall of Fame quality midfield add laverde or Pickett for outside run, trade a KPD in and hope that in the 2017 and 2018 Grand Finals Stringer kicks ten a game. Switch Roughy forward for someone who can push up the ground and take contested marks and hope that our midfield is better than the expansion clubs and our defenders can neutralise their KPF's.
If we get knocked down to 6 or (god help us) 7, take laverde draft in some KPP's later and pray that our kids get the job done!!

 

[Dale4captain]

Dee's will pick a key back and a mid if they hold those two picks. If Frawley leaves, they should definitely look at Durdin or Lever, while also taking Petrecca or Brayshaw with the other. They'd be stupid to trade them away for a mediocre senior player, which is all that will be on offer this trade period.

 

[Dogsman16]

Dee's will pick a key back and a mid if they hold those two picks. If Frawley leaves, they should definitely look at Durdin or Lever, while also taking Petrecca or Brayshaw with the other. They'd be stupid to trade them away for a mediocre senior player, which is all that will be on offer this trade period.

They are more than certain that Frost will be traded to them and they still have McDonald and Garland, they won't be using a top 3 pick on a KPD, they will go tall forward again and Have a Hogan McCartin/Wright partnership, probably McCartin at this stage, their forward line will be formidable and the lions will take Wright. Durdin goes to GWS and we have a massive problem!

 

[House_of_Dahl]

They are more than certain that Frost will be traded to them and they still have McDonald and Garland, they won't be using a top 3 pick on a KPD, they will go tall forward again and Have a Hogan McCartin/Wright partnership, probably McCartin at this stage, their forward line will be formidable and the lions will take Wright. Durdin goes to GWS and we have a massive problem!

 

[Dale4captain]

They are more than certain that Frost will be traded to them and they still have McDonald and Garland, they won't be using a top 3 pick on a KPD, they will go tall forward again and Have a Hogan McCartin/Wright partnership, probably McCartin at this stage, their forward line will be formidable and the lions will take Wright. Durdin goes to GWS and we have a massive problem!

None of frost, Mcdonald or Garland are elite key defenders to build a back six around. They need key backs.

 

[Dogsman16]

None of frost, Mcdonald or Garland are elite key defenders to build a back six around. They need key backs.

Yes they aren't high quality key backs but I don't think you use a top 3 draft pick on a KPD particularly one such as lever who has been injured all year and hasn't played as a forward also. I find their will be absolutely no chance that McCartin and Wright get to picks 5 and 6 knowing that the lions will 100% take one of them and also a team looking for a KPF might trade a decent KPD with Melbourne because as you said their KPD stocks arent elite. Would take a couple of very very brave teams to overlook Wright in the top 5. The more and more frawleys contract goes up the less chance we have of getting one of them. I say we nominate Moore and hope the pies are dumb enough to look elsewhere otherwise its Laverde and off to the 2015 FA and draft period we go, stocked with piles of cash and a couple of players we could look at trading out to package up with our first to get a gun.

 

[TBOW]

Nothing more certain than the Dees trading one if not both those picks.

Do you think that clubs will be able to satisfy their demands?

 

[Doggies7]

They are more than certain that Frost will be traded to them and they still have McDonald and Garland, they won't be using a top 3 pick on a KPD, they will go tall forward again and Have a Hogan McCartin/Wright partnership, probably McCartin at this stage, their forward line will be formidable and the lions will take Wright. Durdin goes to GWS and we have a massive problem!

Frost is still only a depth guy at this point and while McDonald looks promising, his disposal isn't great and is still a developing defender. Garland is solid but at 191cms is a good 3rd tall defender who you can't exactly build around. If the Demons are happy with that being their KPD stocks for the future we won't have to worry about them being a threat any time soon, that would be the last ranked KPD in the AFL.

 

[F3000]

They are more than certain that Frost will be traded to them and they still have McDonald and Garland, they won't be using a top 3 pick on a KPD, they will go tall forward again and Have a Hogan McCartin/Wright partnership, probably McCartin at this stage, their forward line will be formidable and the lions will take Wright. Durdin goes to GWS and we have a massive problem!

I'm a bit of a pessimist.. but I'm sorry to say this is what I think we'll be looking at.
Look at last years draft.. I'm not sure Scharenberg or Aish were any club's first choice.

 

[Doggies7]

It's still just too early to say 100% Brisbane are taking a key forward or this team is going to draft this guy. We just don't know yet. They could still land Ryder and maybe be happy with their Ruck / KPF stocks and look at a runner like Pickett or defender in Durdin / Lever.

This time last year, someone would have been laughed off the board if they said Aish would slip past the top 5 and we would pass on him for a guy ranked outside the top 10. Same with Brodie Grundy the year before if someone said he will fall all the way to Collingwood in the late teens. There will be a few bolters and sliders still, and there are enough quality players like Brayshaw, Petracca, Laverde etc who can definitely push McCartin or Wright to our pick.

 

[Dogsman16]

Frost is still only a depth guy at this point and while McDonald looks promising, his disposal isn't great and is still a developing defender. Garland is solid but at 191cms is a good 3rd tall defender who you can't exactly build around. If the Demons are happy with that being their KPD stocks for the future we won't have to worry about them being a threat any time soon, that would be the last ranked KPD in the AFL.

Which is why I think they will us say their 2nd rounder + Watts/someone else to grab a KPD from a decent club, Roos is not going to be interested in drafting a KPD that may take 5 years to develop, quite simply Brayshaw is off to the dees and either McCartin/Wright or they trade with a club who wants either of those 2 and this is all considering St Kilda take Petrecca with their first, if they take McCartin we have 0% chance of getting a KPF. These are the only scenarios I see with the Frawley compo in play

Scenario 1
Stk Petrecca
Melb Brayshaw
Melb McCartin
GWS Durdin
BL Wright
WB ?

Scenario 2
Stk Petrecca
Melb Brayshaw
Melb Wright
GWS Durdin
BL McCartin
WB ?

Scenario 3
Stk McCartin
Melb Petrecca
Melb Brayshaw
GWS Durdin
BL Wright
WB ?

The one chance we do have of getting Wright is if the Lions feel Hammelman can be the KPF to be relied upon. Lions already have a quality midfield.

 

[Mofra]

In each of those scenarios.... we may well just take Lever.
Meets the "quality person" brief perfectly by all accounts, plays key back and knows what it takes to overcome a serious injury so his professionalism should be quite high

 

[Dogsman16]

In each of those scenarios.... we may well just take Lever.
Meets the "quality person" brief perfectly by all accounts, plays key back and knows what it takes to overcome a serious injury so his professionalism should be quite high

Huge risk on a knee injury particularly a serious one and has only played one game in 12 months of footy. Not sure its the type of risk we should be taking particularly as we can get cordy who is only a cm shorter than lever as a 3rd rounder. Still leaning towards Laverde at 6 if those top 5 (Petrecca, McCartin, Brayshaw, Durdin, Wright) are locked in. Goddard could be a handy KPD but a big stretch at 6.

 

[King Harold]

In each of those scenarios.... we may well just take Lever.
Meets the "quality person" brief perfectly by all accounts, plays key back and knows what it takes to overcome a serious injury so his professionalism should be quite high

And wouldn't surprise if he ended the best tall of this draft. Looks a very capable footballer to me.
Also a fan of Durdin.

 

[doggies ftw]

Not ruling Wright/McCartin out yet. Honestly still expecting Melb to get band 2 and if that happens I think it's more likely than not we get one of them, with GWS the main risk

 

[Mofra]

Huge risk on a knee injury particularly a serious one and has only played one game in 12 months of footy. Not sure its the type of risk we should be taking particularly as we can get cordy who is only a cm shorter than lever as a 3rd rounder. Still leaning towards Laverde at 6 if those top 5 (Petrecca, McCartin, Brayshaw, Durdin, Wright) are locked in. Goddard could be a handy KPD but a big stretch at 6.

It is a risk but we do have medicos assess the kids pre-draft; just as they assessed Jake Stringer before taking him at pick #5