List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[paul scholes]

Do you think that clubs will be able to satisfy their demands?

Most probably.
Roos is a bit of a lateral thinker( look at the pick 2 trade) Roos is an ego driven coach, and I'm sure he isn't liking it being trashed by an under performing rabble. I think he wants a burst up the table quickly, and two under developed kids ain't going to do that.

 

[fronkalicious]

Stringers injury was way worse. And the last 2 guys to be drafted coming off knee recos were selwood and Menzel (Carlton variety).

Players get injured. As long as it's not going to effect a guys career long term, I'd dismiss the injury when assessing the player.

Lever sounds like a pearler to me.

 

[Mutt]

Stringers injury was way worse. And the last 2 guys to be drafted coming off knee recos were selwood and Menzel (Carlton variety).

Players get injured. As long as it's not going to effect a guys career long term, I'd dismiss the injury when assessing the player.

Lever sounds like a pearler to me.

Lever just sounds like the type of player and person we'd take with our first pick. Fills our needs as well.

 

[Dogsman16]

Stringers injury was way worse. And the last 2 guys to be drafted coming off knee recos were selwood and Menzel (Carlton variety).

Players get injured. As long as it's not going to effect a guys career long term, I'd dismiss the injury when assessing the player.

Lever sounds like a pearler to me.

An ACL is far more likely to reoccur than a Broken Leg and Stringer had 9 months of footy before he was drafted so we could gauge how he had recovered from his injury. Moribito, Clay, Menzel, Johnson are all guys who have had several knee recos and can take 3 to 4 years off a career. I really do hope Lever has a great career and I'm convinced hes a top 5 quality draftee. This risk for a KPP of it reoccuring is massive often which can happen quite simply by turning direction. Guys who have had knee issues such as Patton prior to getting drafted also shows the risk of drafting a player who has done his ACL or has had knee issues. I don't think its worth the risk to take although if he went unscathed with knee injuries through his career I'd happily eat my words, but on that alone is why my prefer is slightly in favour of Laverde to Lever at this stage.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

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Which is why I think they will us say their 2nd rounder + Watts/someone else to grab a KPD from a decent club, Roos is not going to be interested in drafting a KPD that may take 5 years to develop, quite simply Brayshaw is off to the dees and either McCartin/Wright or they trade with a club who wants either of those 2 and this is all considering St Kilda take Petrecca with their first, if they take McCartin we have 0% chance of getting a KPF. These are the only scenarios I see with the Frawley compo in play

Scenario 1
Stk Petrecca
Melb Brayshaw
Melb McCartin
GWS Durdin
BL Wright
WB ?

Scenario 2
Stk Petrecca
Melb Brayshaw
Melb Wright
GWS Durdin
BL McCartin
WB ?

Scenario 3
Stk McCartin
Melb Petrecca
Melb Brayshaw
GWS Durdin
BL Wright
WB ?

The one chance we do have of getting Wright is if the Lions feel Hammelman can be the KPF to be relied upon. Lions already have a quality midfield.

They need taller mids. Most if their quality mids are 6'

 

[BEaston]

If we don't get a pick in the top 3 we don't get McCartin or Wright, best available they are both top 3 or 4. Personally I would have the top 7 or 8 in order at this stage in terms of best available

1. Petrecca
2. McCartin
3. Wright
4. Brayshaw
5. Durdin
6. Lever
7. Laverde
8. Pickett

I'm 99.9% against taking Lever at 5 or 6 think that an ACL before drafted is a risk you don't take on a KPD that can be found in the later stages of the first round such as a Goddard or Marchbank. If we have 5 or 6 then i'd prefer Laverde or Pickett instead but we should trade down or package a huge trade for a big gun unless we can trade into the top 3 or 4. Unfortunately I can see GWS, or Melb going best available on a KPP let alone the lions who will definitely go tall.

So it's generally accepted that Moore is not worth pick 5, so why would we bid on him?? Collingwood's shit end to the season has helped them a lot this way because if they had have finished 8th or so (pick 11) then picks 8-10 would nominate Moore and force Pies to use their first rounder which would be a good pick. Now as it stands the teams before the Pies first rounder will not nominate because it's overs for Moore. So Pies use their 2nd rounder on him and they make out like bandits from the draft again with Moore + Pickett for example.

Edit: Dogsman16, I'm not directing that question at you. Just generally.

 

[Wizard17]

Nah Moore is one of the best talls in this draft no way us or Carlton don't bid he looks like a very good player.

 

[Mutt]

So it's generally accepted that Moore is not worth pick 5, so why would we bid on him?? Collingwood's shit end to the season has helped them a lot this way because if they had have finished 8th or so (pick 11) then picks 8-10 would nominate Moore and force Pies to use their first rounder which would be a good pick. Now as it stands the teams before the Pies first rounder will not nominate because it's overs for Moore. So Pies use their 2nd rounder on him and they make out like bandits from the draft again with Moore + Pickett for example.

Edit: Dogsman16, I'm not directing that question at you. Just generally.

Carlton are a big chance to bid on Moore and if Melbourne gets pick 3 compo for Frawley we might even bid for Moore. He is certainly not a spud and may be top 5 on talent (depending on whose opinion you value.)

 

[Dogsman16]

So it's generally accepted that Moore is not worth pick 5, so why would we bid on him?? Collingwood's shit end to the season has helped them a lot this way because if they had have finished 8th or so (pick 11) then picks 8-10 would nominate Moore and force Pies to use their first rounder which would be a good pick. Now as it stands the teams before the Pies first rounder will not nominate because it's overs for Moore. So Pies use their 2nd rounder on him and they make out like bandits from the draft again with Moore + Pickett for example.

Edit: Dogsman16, I'm not directing that question at you. Just generally.

I would be bidding on Moore but surely Collingwood take him at their first. I think hes worthy of a top 5 and exactly what we need. I'm kinda presuming they will take him so thats why i have left him out.

If we have pick 6 instead of 5 then I am most definitely bidding on him for my mind. Pick 5 then I'd probably go Durdin if Wright/McCartin aren't there.

 

[BEaston]

Alright then. If he's top 5 then we should go for it and make Pies accountable. They will take him at the pick that other teams allow them to take him at.

I don't know much about the draftees, just go on what others say and have heard he would go around pick 8-10.

 

[Godogs247]

Lever is now the boy everyone wants 6 club doctors have put him through the test and he is sound now 196cm and GWS want him so do Melb and us!

So what does that do.

St Kilda -Petracca have been solid on this now
Melb-McCardin
Melb-Brayshaw
GWS-Lever
Bris-Wright
Bull-Durbin

 

[fronkalicious]

Lever is now the boy everyone wants 6 club doctors have put him through the test and he is sound now 196cm and GWS want him so do Melb and us!

So what does that do.

St Kilda -Petracca have been solid on this now
Melb-McCardin
Melb-Brayshaw
GWS-Lever
Bris-Wright
Bull-Durbin

The dogs are off to South Africa!

 

[TempleKelvington]

So it's generally accepted that Moore is not worth pick 5, so why would we bid on him?? Collingwood's shit end to the season has helped them a lot this way because if they had have finished 8th or so (pick 11) then picks 8-10 would nominate Moore and force Pies to use their first rounder which would be a good pick. Now as it stands the teams before the Pies first rounder will not nominate because it's overs for Moore. So Pies use their 2nd rounder on him and they make out like bandits from the draft again with Moore + Pickett for example.

Edit: Dogsman16, I'm not directing that question at you. Just generally.

Nah, Moore is exactly what we need, possible Carlton also, indeed anyone would take him. If he was not a f/s he would Be top 3 pick if not number 1. Pies will pay full price.

 

[TempleKelvington]

We already have Johanisanberg

 

[Mutt]

Lever is now the boy everyone wants 6 club doctors have put him through the test and he is sound now 196cm and GWS want him so do Melb and us!

So what does that do.

St Kilda -Petracca have been solid on this now
Melb-McCardin
Melb-Brayshaw
GWS-Lever
Bris-Wright
Bull-Durbin

Source?

 

[fronkalicious]

If we draft lever, does roughie go forward?

 

[Godogs247]

cant believe we are going to miss our player in the draft we want -because of 1 club Melbourne

Ok Lets go -they made a deal to tank got fined carlton lost 1st round pic???

Them next draft GWS didnt bid for Viney ??? he went 22?? to get Hogan then chose before us?

Over bided on Clarke by $2000 thousand thats why Ross Lyon is shitty....

then paid $700k a for Dawes my god.....

Now a guy who has been there for 7 years and a gun wants to move ....come on AFL make him stay.... want tolevel this field bottom 6 clubs have no movement.

42 years of being r*ped by richer clubss over it!

 

[100action]

I will cry if we end up with Durdin, he is just so unimpressive.

 

[King Harold]

I will cry if we end up with Durdin, he is just so unimpressive.

Strange action, but I am impressed with him. would prefer Lever though.
Have you seen him play live ?

 

[Gghippo]

Prediction... We'll be screwed over in 2014 in a similar vein to the GWS, GC and Melbourne draft tampering 'Jack Viney' debacle of 2012. This time by GWS, Saints and Melbourne.

Basically if GWS want Petrecca they'll get him.

Saints will end up with Jaksch through psd. Pelchin will cut a deal with GWS they won't take Petrecca with pick #1 if they send Jaksch to psd.

Melbourne will get pick #3 (Frawley) because the AFL is ****ed!! GWS will give Melbourne O'Rourke or Buntine, for their second rounder on the provision they don't take Petrecca.

We'll end up with best available at pick #6, who won't be a KPP.

I don't think these sides intentionally go out to screw us, it is just we are in a no-man ladder position where our negotiation power is limited. If they were planning to screw us, they would bid for Cordy with one of their 2nd rounders. Imagine the discussion on this page if that was to happen...

 

[VitalDread]

If all the tall forwards were taken etc
Would Petrecca be a good selection with our pick (if he drops)
Who does he play like?

 

[Dale4captain]

If all the tall forwards were taken etc
Would Petrecca be a good selection with our pick (if he drops)
Who does he play like?

He's not going to drop.

 

[Some Idiot]

If all the tall forwards were taken etc
Would Petrecca be a good selection with our pick (if he drops)
Who does he play like?

He's a freak, would take in a heartbeat. Can't see him not being top 3 though.

 

[VitalDread]

He's not going to drop.

ok...

 

[yebiga]

Even if Frawley gets $700k a season, Melbourne is only likely to get an end of first round compensation.
Whilst, it is possible they might get pick 3 it would attract a bit of criticism of the AFL and Melbourne. It is not like Frawley has been in great form winning AA selection lately.

So, given the talk we are very likely to have a choice between Wright or Lever.