List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Half Back Pocket]

In all seriousness if we get Petracca with our first would McKenzie be worth a punt with our third?

You'd need to take McKenzie with our second (i don't think he'd last to pick 40).

a compo pick after our second would be ideal!!

 

[Baker_for_PM]

I have no idea but has anyone made it that wasn't invited to the National combine who wasn't a mature age pick up?

 

[Barrels]

You'd need to take McKenzie with our second (i don't think he'd last to pick 40).

a compo pick after our second would be ideal!!

For me, if we want McKenzie, it's:

Rnd 1: Petracca or deal for Cameron
Rnd 2: take the punt on McKenzie
Rnd 3: Webb, Urban, Daniel
Rnd 4 onwards: Rookie upgrades or best available.

 

[35Saints35]

I'm not sure the recruiters are looking to take punts with our early picks. I think its more calculated than that

 

[Barrels]

'Take the punt' is more a comment on relative draft order, not ability.

McKenzie is probably a 20-40 pick depending on who's keen, but certainly more a 20 than a 40...

Bear in mind Fremantle took the punt on Apeness with #17 last year, who's probably not a bad comparison.

 

[35Saints35]

True...

 

[saint sational]

I reckon a fair chunk of players taken between 20-60 will go on to play have good AFL careers.
Given our limited top end trade bait, I think this is a great year to try ship off a few fringe players to take advantage of the way this year's draft shapes up.

If McKenzie's stocks are rising, is Keitel's falling? Or it is a case of out of sight, out mind for the average punters at the minute. I would be hoping that one would fall to our 3rd round pick and we jump on it.

 

[dewah07]

weller can kick

 

[Barrels]

More a case of different types of KPP and relative rarities IMO.

Keitel's got ability, no question, but he's the proportionately more usual athletic tall.

McKenzie is more of the rarer 'beast' KPP, but with pretty decent athletic capabilities it seems.

Poor examples probably, but it seems a sort of Daniher v Boyd type issue; there are more Waite/Carlisle types around than Patton/Hawkins. Accordingly, where there isn't a great deal of distance between their talent levels, it depends on what type you need more and how many are out there... IMO we need a big 'power forward' more than we need an athletic type; we already have Stanley, White and Lee thereabouts.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Correct Barrels....McCartin/McKenzie/Boyd/Patton types

Petracca, Weller, McKenzie & Daniel would be a fantastic result

 

[Big Mart]

I would love us to nab Toby McLean from Oakliegh. Small fwd/mid with x-factor talent.

179cm
Evasive, silky, courageous and can take a hanger... Kicks goals.

I know the boy and the background of him getting into the TAC cup after Dandy stupidly shunned him because of size.

He leads the comp in goal assists, averages 1-2 a game and has been in the best players almost every game.

A bolter IMO with AFL talent

 

[gringo2011]

More a case of different types of KPP and relative rarities IMO.

Keitel's got ability, no question, but he's the proportionately more usual athletic tall.

McKenzie is more of the rarer 'beast' KPP, but with pretty decent athletic capabilities it seems.

Poor examples probably, but it seems a sort of Daniher v Boyd type issue; there are more Waite/Carlisle types around than Patton/Hawkins. Accordingly, where there isn't a great deal of distance between their talent levels, it depends on what type you need more and how many are out there... IMO we need a big 'power forward' more than we need an athletic type; we already have Stanley, White and Lee thereabouts.

I'm not sold on the lump forwards. Cloke and Hawkins are not really any more of an asset than Riewoldt or Buddy. We tend to jump on the latest "type" ...tall mids are in so now everyone is picking up tall guys and smaller types with more talent are being left out. One will come good and recruiters will scramble for short guys.

 

[Barrels]

I didn't say they were more of an asset, I said it's a matter of needs. We have some athletic forwards, the appeal of the 'lump' forward - as you put it - is that they make the top-of-the-square, get out kick a more palatable and effective option, as they'll take the pack with them if they get a jump at it, and they bring crumbers into the game.

Cloke, Hawkins, Tippett, Patton etc. (not that they're not athletic) also all scare the bejesus out of opposition defenders in a way the more athletic blokes don't tend to, which also tends to generate shots at goal through free kicks.

Look, the recruiters know a lot better than I do; if they pick him, or pass, I'll be trusting them.

EDIT: Apparently last week's 7.5 against NT included being sent to the midfield in the second half after he'd kicked 6!

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I didn't say they were more of an asset, I said it's a matter of needs. We have some athletic forwards, the appeal of the 'lump' forward - as you put it - is that they make the top-of-the-square, get out kick a more palatable and effective option, as they'll take the pack with them if they get a jump at it, and they bring crumbers into the game.

Cloke, Hawkins, Tippett, Patton etc. (not that they're not athletic) also all scare the bejesus out of opposition defenders in a way the more athletic blokes don't tend to, which also tends to generate shots at goal through free kicks.

Look, the recruiters know a lot better than I do; if they pick him, or pass, I'll be trusting them.

Learn to quote.

 

[Barrels]

Right on cue... Thanks Paige....

Reece McKenzie (Northern Knights)
Height: 196 cm
Weight: 100 kg
Position: Key forward/ruckman
Player comparison: Travis Cloke
Strengths: Contested marking, running patterns, dominates games
Areas needing improvement: Goal kicking consistency, temperament

Reece McKenzie will take the AFL by storm. He’s been kicking bags of goals since 16 years of age, when he kicked 10 for Marcellin in the A-Team.

His marking is unbelievable: no defender can beat him for strength in the TAC Cup, he has enough acceleration on the lead to constantly turn a one-metre advantage into two on the lead and his running patterns are unpredictable, but intelligent.

The sum of all the parts means he could easily be one of the best key forwards this year, but he struggles to put it all together.

McKenzie is stronger than anyone in this draft class. He is a man mountain, yet he seems to be able to move well and find the ball up the field. His disposal average of 11 is strongly affected by his down games.

When he is playing poorly, he barely finds the footy. McKenzie averages a tick under six marks per game, which shows how hard he works to get himself into the game. What is even scarier is his contested marking: he has three per game.

When on song, McKenzie looks as though he has as much talent and dominance as Patrick McCartin. However, what separates the two is goal kicking.

Against the Eastern Ranges earlier this year, McKenzie kicked 1.4 with one out on the full. He had nine marks – three of those contested – and he added 18 hitouts. He was unstoppable that day, but he just kept missing.

His mental demons really got the better of him. I interviewed him early in the year, and he said that because he has such a high expectation of himself, he can get frustrated when he isn’t playing well, which can really throw him off his game. That will get better with maturity.

Fast forward a few months, and McKenzie took on the Ranges again. This time, he kicked 10.4 from his 19 disposals and 13 marks (eight of those contested). Clearly, his best is unstoppable. His goal tally of 26 in eight games is okay, but he must learn how to kick straight.

His father, Warren McKenzie, played in Carlton’s 1987 premiership. However, Warren didn’t play 100 games, and thus McKenzie is on the open market. The Blues have had their eyes on him since he was 16. At that stage, he was an elite basketballer.

This year marks his first season at TAC Cup level, although he had been part of the Northern Knights since the under 16s. The Blues have a strong interest in McKenzie, but his 10 goal game may take him from being a late second rounder into a possible top 25 selection.

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-reece-mckenzie/

 

[Barrels]

Learn to quote.

Learn to shaddup...

 

[L_W_P]

I'm not sold on the lump forwards. Cloke and Hawkins are not really any more of an asset than Riewoldt or Buddy. We tend to jump on the latest "type" ...tall mids are in so now everyone is picking up tall guys and smaller types with more talent are being left out. One will come good and recruiters will scramble for short guys.

You mean like Lewis Taylor?

The thing with Hawkins and Cloke is that they are mostly the lone had up forward. Hawkins hasn't found a partner this season after Pods left and Cloke hasn't been as good since Dawes went to Melbourne.

Play McKenzie out of the square with Stanley and White/Cameron/Lee as the lead up options and he will be much mroe effective.

On a side note - If we grab another KPF in this draft does anyone think Lee has the ability to play as an athletic, floating CHB? I just wonder with his ability to read the flight could he be that Sam Fisher replacement we all talk about? He picks the ball off the deck better than most talls and his kicking his well above average for a KPP. Could he handle it?

FB - Delaney
HB - Bruce - Lee (3rd tall)
R - Hickey
HF - Stanley - White/Cameron (3rd tall)
FF - McKenzie

Would be seriously talented and also gives us the ability to throw either Bruce or Lee forward while Stanley rucks to create mismatches.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Learn to shaddup...

 

[NarklesHelmet]

I'm not sold on the lump forwards. Cloke and Hawkins are not really any more of an asset than Riewoldt or Buddy. We tend to jump on the latest "type" ...tall mids are in so now everyone is picking up tall guys and smaller types with more talent are being left out. One will come good and recruiters will scramble for short guys.

I tend to agree. I reckon draft the best forward/player so that, if/when they turn out to be a gun (and they will be more likely to if you always draft for best avaliable rather than basing things on physical assets), we can base our game plan around them and their assets meaning we get a step ahead of the comp and have our own unique gameplan. There is so much following that goes on in AFL coaching/tactic circles but you tend to find the best coaches (Clarko, Bomber when he was at Geelong, Lyon etc.) tend to start their own trends.

 

[gringo2011]

I tend to agree. I reckon draft the best forward/player so that, if/when they turn out to be a gun (and they will be more likely to if you always draft for best avaliable rather than basing things on physical assets), we can base our game plan around them and their assets meaning we get a step ahead of the comp and have our own unique gameplan. There is so much following that goes on in AFL coaching/tactic circles but you tend to find the best coaches (Clarko, Bomber when he was at Geelong, Lyon etc.) tend to start their own trends.

I like Kennedy and Darling as a combo and JPod and a not yet 100% Tex go okay. A multiple of good forwards is my preference over one go to man. Mc Kenzie is certainly doing his draft chances no harm.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

No surprises as we would be speaking to many draft prospects but for anyone interested;

3AW Sports Today ‏@3AWSportsToday 1m
Next year's likely No 1 draft pick, @paddymccartin11 has joined us.. Says the Dockers have been to chat with him

3AW Sports Today ‏@3AWSportsToday 14s
Saints met with McCartin last week and Dogs will see him tomorrow night

 

[Sainttony]

The Dockers what have they got in mind. Who would they be prepared to trade for no1or 2.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Right on cue... Thanks Paige....

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-reece-mckenzie/

See, now it means he's not a smokey any more. Now we have to fight to get him. I liked it when he was a likely rookie pick, and we'd all look like geniuses if we took him and he took off.

 

[krusden]

The Dockers what have they got in mind. Who would they be prepared to trade for no1or 2.

I guess they have to look at a Pavlich replacement, maybe they could be aggressive.

What would we want from them to trade pick 1 or 2 is an interesting question?

Would they be hoping that GWS get the pick more than us?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I guess they have to look at a Pavlich replacement, maybe they could be aggressive.

What would we want from them to trade pick 1 or 2 is an interesting question?

Would they be hoping that GWS get the pick more than us?

Nathan Fyfe or **** off.