2015 SC / Player Watch..

[MightyMark]

Thoughts on Chad Wingard? Played almost predominantly as a forward last season, any chance of more midfield time?

Wingard will certainly get more midfield time this year.

What are you basing that on. Boak, Hartlett, Wines, Polc, Ebert all ahead of him in the mids, and with Gray emerging last year where is going to get anymore time.

I cant see his role changing much from last year, as he is just as useful to Port playing off the half forward line. He will get some midfield time, but i can;t see a substantial rise from last year as long as Gray stays fit.

 

[SureBuddy]

What are you basing that on. Boak, Hartlett, Wines, Polc, Ebert all ahead of him in the mids, and with Gray emerging last year where is going to get anymore time.

I cant see his role changing much from last year, as he is just as useful to Port playing off the half forward line. He will get some midfield time, but i can;t see a substantial rise from last year as long as Gray stays fit.

I believe he will play more midfield time as he is maturing and had another huge pre-season. He will not be predominately midfield, however he will get more minutes. Will this 100% happen? No bloody idea.

 

[Feerits Elf]

I believe he will play more midfield time as he had another huge pre-season.

What is this based on? Still another three months of pre-season to go.

 

[SureBuddy]

What is this based on? Still another three months of pre-season to go.

Dubai, endless videos posted by pafc, not getting injured, another year older etc.. It is only natural a player of Wingard's type will move into the midfield more when his body is ready.

 

[MightyMark]

Dubai, endless videos posted by pafc, not getting injured, another year older etc.. It is only natural a player of Wingard's type will move into the midfield more when his body is ready.

If your right, he will be a great pick up. However, I see him in a similar role to Motlop at Geelong, so I can still see him spending a lot of time forward, he should be able to bring up his average from 79, but not convinced yet he can get it above 100. I hope im wrong, he is one of my favourite players to watch.

 

[fantasyunit]

This is the year of the Power.
Players to watch which people don't appear to be considering:

- Ollie Wines (one of the first picked in my team, he is going to be a top 10 mid by the end of the year. Mark my words)
- Boak ( the first picked in my team, will win the Charlie this year)
- Hartlett (second picked in my team, looks to finally have his injury woes behind him)
- Ryder (Could be anything in the Power lineup, watch his role closely early on)
- Gray (Speaks for itself, everyone should have him)
- Polec (One to most definitely watch, he was huge for everyone early on last year with some big scores. Now he has had another huge preseason he could truly explode. Wait and see)

That's my biased view, however I think picking a 3-4 Port players this year is almost a must.

Eh, Gray and Wines are the only ones that currently interest me, and right now I can't find room for either of them.

 

[Jiska]

This is the year of the Power.
Players to watch which people don't appear to be considering:

- Ollie Wines (one of the first picked in my team, he is going to be a top 10 mid by the end of the year. Mark my words)
- Boak ( the first picked in my team, will win the Charlie this year)
- Hartlett (second picked in my team, looks to finally have his injury woes behind him)
- Ryder (Could be anything in the Power lineup, watch his role closely early on)
- Gray (Speaks for itself, everyone should have him)
- Polec (One to most definitely watch, he was huge for everyone early on last year with some big scores. Now he has had another huge preseason he could truly explode. Wait and see)

That's my biased view, however I think picking a 3-4 Port players this year is almost a must.

Hartlett, no. Ryder, no. Polec, risky.

No Wingard on that list, but no to him too. Refer my posts saying stay clear from twelve months ago that Judd_Magic tore me a new arseh*le on before trading him out by Round 8

Yes to Gray, Boak and Wines.

Given that, can't agree picking three is a MUST. Gray a lock for mine up forward but I see better options in the midfield than Boak and Wines personally.

 

[SureBuddy]

Hartlett, no. Ryder, no. Polec, risky.

No Wingard on that list, but no to him too. Refer my posts saying stay clear from twelve months ago that Judd_Magic tore me a new arseh*le on before trading him out by Round 8

Yes to Gray, Boak and Wines.

Given that, can't agree picking three is a MUST. Gray a lock for mine up forward but I see better options in the midfield than Boak and Wines personally.

I did say it was a very biased opinion
I personally will be starting with Boak, Ryder, Gray and maybe one of Wines/Hartlett/Wingard. Probably just the 3 to start with though.

 

[MightyMark]

I did say it was a very biased opinion
I personally will be starting with Boak, Ryder, Gray and maybe one of Wines/Hartlett/Wingard. Probably just the 3 to start with though.

I worry that Ryder's scores may take a hit as he wont be used as much in the ruck. TBC only played 7 games last year, and in the only consecutive games he could string together between round 11 and 14, where Ryder played as a second ruck/forward he scored 81,73,93,100.

When TBC played 18 games in 2013 Ryder took a hit.

I think Ryder's best scores are going to come when he spends more time in the ruck, but considering Lobbe is a much better ruck than TBC I cant see him spending as much time there, more just to give Lobbe a rest.

I could be wrong, but im staying away from Ryder until I see a bit more on the role he will be playing.

The other thing is when was the last time 2 rucks topped the ton in the same team. NicNat and Cox did it, but those two are a special breed.

 

[SureBuddy]

I worry that Ryder's scores may take a hit as he wont be used as much in the ruck. TBC only played 7 games last year, and in the only consecutive games he could string together between round 11 and 14, where Ryder played as a second ruck/forward he scored 81,73,93,100.

When TBC played 18 games in 2013 Ryder took a hit.

I think Ryder's best scores are going to come when he spends more time in the ruck, but considering Lobbe is a much better ruck than TBC I cant see him spending as much time there, more just to give Lobbe a rest.

I could be wrong, but im staying away from Ryder until I see a bit more on the role he will be playing.

The other thing is when was the last time 2 rucks topped the ton in the same team. NicNat and Cox did it, but those two are a special breed.

Ryder will play a lot as the link up man heading into the 50. With Port's sling shot style, he will be the target running up towards the 50. He will also slot a couple of games a game, plus pinch hit in the ruck. He is also great with the hit outs to advantage which helps this year. I think you will find Lobbe and him will play 50/50 ruck and forward. Maybe 60/40 towards Lobbe's, however I would not be put off by this, he will score more than enough points up forward.
Can see Port winning a lot of games, which will help his cause.

 

[MightyMark]

Ryder will play a lot as the link up man heading into the 50. With Port's sling shot style, he will be the target running up towards the 50. He will also slot a couple of games a game, plus pinch hit in the ruck. He is also great with the hit outs to advantage which helps this year. I think you will find Lobbe and him will play 50/50 ruck and forward. Maybe 60/40 towards Lobbe's, however I would not be put off by this, he will score more than enough points up forward.
Can see Port winning a lot of games, which will help his cause.

If that's his role then its good for Ryder, but surely someone is going to suffer. By every ones account Wingard will spend more time in the midfield, so he may not suffer, but Gray and Westoff might as they acted as the link up alot of the time.

That being said I'm sure you watched more Port games than me last year, but he is one i'll be watching closely in the pre season.

 

[SureBuddy]

If that's his role then its good for Ryder, but surely someone is going to suffer. By every ones account Wingard will spend more time in the midfield, so he may not suffer, but Gray and Westoff might as they acted as the link up alot of the time.

That being said I'm sure you watched more Port games than me last year, but he is one i'll be watching closely in the pre season.

Of course I am only speculating on his role, I could be completely wrong. Kenny knows best.

 

[Krujan]

Of course I am only speculating on his role, I could be completely wrong. Kenny knows best.

I see Ryder as more value to Port as a Power Fwd to give Schulz a hand and to free up Westhoff to play further up the ground or Def. Reckon Port will only use Ryder 25-30% of the time in the ruck and that's being generous. Basically relief ruck with Lobbe still to do the brunt of the ruck work around the ground. Ryder to ruck when the ball is in Ports FWD 50 & Lobbe drops back behind the ball.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

Ryder will play a lot as the link up man heading into the 50. With Port's sling shot style, he will be the target running up towards the 50. He will also slot a couple of games a game, plus pinch hit in the ruck. He is also great with the hit outs to advantage which helps this year. I think you will find Lobbe and him will play 50/50 ruck and forward. Maybe 60/40 towards Lobbe's, however I would not be put off by this, he will score more than enough points up forward.
Can see Port winning a lot of games, which will help his cause.

Time to trade in the rose coloured glasses buddy. Port will have a good season no doubt but I can't see half of what your speculating with all of these players happening. Sorry.

 

[Jiska]

I did say it was a very biased opinion
I personally will be starting with Boak, Ryder, Gray and maybe one of Wines/Hartlett/Wingard. Probably just the 3 to start with though.

Bias has no place in SC

I'd stay well away from Ryder. Backup ruck to Lobbe. Hopeless SC scorer at the Bombers, no reason to see that changing at Port.

 

[KardiniaPark]

I'd prefer to have 0 Geelong players. Makes it hard to watch games when you are constantly yelling at them for Clangers and missed goals that otherwise you wouldn't really notice. I've got Selwood and Mitch Clark because they pick themselves, I think I'd throw the TV out the window if I picked Motlop or Johnson haha.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

I'd prefer to have 0 Geelong players. Makes it hard to watch games when you are constantly yelling at them for Clangers and missed goals that otherwise you wouldn't really notice. I've got Selwood and Mitch Clark because they pick themselves, I think I'd throw the TV out the window if I picked Motlop or Johnson haha.

At least now you can pick Varcoe....

 

[Determinant]

Bias has no place in SC

I'd stay well away from Ryder. Backup ruck to Lobbe. Hopeless SC scorer at the Bombers, no reason to see that changing at Port.

Year Gms Avg
2007 21 70.4
2008 22 62.9
2009 21 84.3
2010 21 85.7
2011 22 90.9
2012 15 105.5
2013 17 90.2
2014 20 101.1

By what definition is that hopeless?

 

[karaoke]

Year Gms Avg
2007 21 70.4
2008 22 62.9
2009 21 84.3
2010 21 85.7
2011 22 90.9
2012 15 105.5
2013 17 90.2
2014 20 101.1

By what definition is that hopeless?

Last 3 yr ave of ~99 makes a handy (eventual) F6 with DPP.

Food for thought.

 

[Determinant]

Last 3 yr ave of ~99 makes a handy (eventual) F6 with DPP.

Food for thought.

I have him in my fwd line atm, I think if I stick with a couple of midprice options in the ruck that will lock him onto my fwds for R1 assuming there are no sanction issues.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

Last 3 yr ave of ~99 makes a handy (eventual) F6 with DPP.

Food for thought.

I have him in my fwd line atm, I think if I stick with a couple of midprice options in the ruck that will lock him onto my fwds for R1 assuming there are no sanction issues.

Sorry. Can't see him scoring as many SC points with another dominant Ruck in the team. Either way you cut it, it's less time on the ball and they both become part time KPF's and part time rucks. KPF's only score well when they get bags of goals. Can't see these guys kicking 4, 5 or more goals every week.

 

[Determinant]

Sorry. Can't see him scoring as many SC points with another dominant Ruck in the team. Either way you cut it, it's less time on the ball and they both become part time KPF's and part time rucks. KPF's only score well when they get bags of goals. Can't see these guys kicking 4, 5 or more goals every week.

No need to be sorry mate, if we all picked the same team how would I beat you?

 

[MightyMark]

Year Gms Avg
2007 21 70.4
2008 22 62.9
2009 21 84.3
2010 21 85.7
2011 22 90.9
2012 15 105.5
2013 17 90.2
2014 20 101.1

By what definition is that hopeless?

I think the point they are trying to make is that any consistent scoring from Ryder came when he was playing predominantly in the ruck. When TBC was up and running his scores suffered (he did have a couple of good games up forward, but few and far between). Given that Lobbe is a better ruck than TBC the assumption would be that Ryder will have less time in the ruck.

Ryder will be huge for Port, but I think he will be a role player, which will see his scores suffer.

Purely speculation, and he is on my watch list. But is position in my side is dependent on his role, which we should get a glimpse of come NAB cup.

 

[Goats]

Last 3 yr ave of ~99 makes a handy (eventual) F6 with DPP.

Food for thought.

I'd be pretty disappointed if I spent $544k on a player at the beginning of the season that ended up finishing as my F6.

 

[Jiska]

Year Gms Avg
2007 21 70.4
2008 22 62.9
2009 21 84.3
2010 21 85.7
2011 22 90.9
2012 15 105.5
2013 17 90.2
2014 20 101.1

By what definition is that hopeless?

Please post the averages of Dean Cox over the same period so that we can compare the two, given they were both #1 rucks at their club during the same period.

Ryder won't be #1 at Port, so fair to say he'll drop slightly.