List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Loyal Sainter]

Bontempelli has re-signed with WB until 2019. Hopefully they have no $$ left for Carlisle

 

[holllywood]

Two 1st rounders... for a one season kid

Massive overs imo.

Around pick 5 and 13 for a 20 year old KPF who kicked 35 goals in a team who missed finals.

Around the mark, especially considering he is contracted until 2017.

 

[gringo2011]

Around pick 5 and 13 for a 20 year old KPF who kicked 35 goals in a team who missed finals.

Around the mark, especially considering he is contracted until 2017.

I reckon 5 and a pick in the third round lets them save face or if they gave up pick 5 and a player even better. They do need to orchestrate something to get pick 5 now, we would look at Weller and their first I reckon. Its a win for us, a win for Freo and a win for GWS.

 

[goodie23]

It's amazing how many people don't understand how contract status impacts a player's value at the trade table. Player tied up by a contract is worth so much more than a player out of contract.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Two 1st rounders... for a one season kid

Massive overs imo.

Late first rounders. More than likely. We're not talking two top 10 picks here (well at least I'm not).

2015's pick 16 & you'd think another pick around that mark from 2016. Those picks equate to about pick 3 or 4 (going off draft points) for a key forward that's shown a lot in the short space of time he's been around.

Alternatively, take the draft lotto with two late first rounders.

My guess, they'll be on the table, & rightfully so.

 

[holllywood]

I reckon 5 and a pick in the third round lets them save face or if they gave up pick 5 and a player even better. They do need to orchestrate something to get pick 5 now, we would look at Weller and their first I reckon. Its a win for us, a win for Freo and a win for GWS.

Don't agree that GWS would accept that for him (so let's leave it at that) but I do like the idea of trading Weller and their first for pick 5 though.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Bontempelli has re-signed with WB until 2019. Hopefully they have no $$ left for Carlisle

Adding to this. Tom Boyd is on rookie salary this year & will get paid close to 2 mill next season to catchup to his 1 mill a season contract. Apparently the Dogs are paying 105% cap next year. I can't see them getting Carlisle.

 

[Periphery]

Not two top 10 picks however a pick 16 & likely another pick in the teens is a solid return for all parties concerned. Freo could get the deal done without help from other clubs with future draft picks.

IMO GWS would probably prefer pick 5 to both of those picks. I think they value quality over quantity at the moment as they'll have plenty of other high picks coming in with Treloar leaving so pick 16 isn't worth much to them. They wont need the points for their academy players. However, from a points perspective two picks in that 16 area are worth a few hundred points more than pick 5 so they might want a 3rd rounder back from someone. It'll be a hard trade to work out even if we don't get involved.

If Weller had Freo real concerned about his likely departure next year then I think it'd put us in a real good position to make something happen this year. I do feel that we'd need to give up more than just pick 5 in the deal. Something like 5 and the equivalent of a 3rd.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

IMO GWS would probably prefer pick 5 to both of those picks. I think they value quality over quantity at the moment as they'll have plenty of other high picks coming in with Treloar leaving so pick 16 isn't worth much to them. They wont need the points for their academy players. However, from a points perspective two picks in that 16 area are worth a few hundred points more than pick 5 so they might want a 3rd rounder back from someone. It'll be a hard trade to work out even if we don't get involved.

If Weller had Freo real concerned about his likely departure next year then I think it'd put us in a real good position to make something happen this year. I do feel that we'd need to give up more than just pick 5 in the deal. Something like 5 and the equivalent of a 3rd.

GWS have some quality in their academy next year as well so my opinion is they'd prefer to split a couple of picks over two years instead of one high pick this year.

In regards to Weller, I thinks it's highly unlikely 5 gets him & 15. I'd assume Freo would demand 5 & 24 for Weller & 15. We are an extremely biased group on here so no doubt that ruffles a few feathers [emoji41]

 

[Loyal Sainter]

Adding to this. Tom Boyd is on rookie salary this year & will get paid close to 2 mill next season to catchup to his 1 mill a season contract. Apparently the Dogs are paying 105% cap next year. I can't see them getting Carlisle.

Aren't they paying Griffin's wage also? Does that stop next year?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Aren't they paying Griffin's wage also? Does that stop next year?

This year definitely, unsure about next season.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

We recently interviewed Eric Hipwood according to a local Qld paper. It was posted on SS.

 

[Determinant]

GWS have some quality in their academy next year as well so my opinion is they'd prefer to split a couple of picks over two years instead of one high pick this year.

In regards to Weller, I thinks it's highly unlikely 5 gets him & 15. I'd assume Freo would demand 5 & 24 for Weller & 15. We are an extremely biased group on here so no doubt that ruffles a few feathers [emoji41]

At a point next year picks will be more valuable to gws than this years, as you say we have a few in the works.
The last I heard from Gubby was 2 to 3 this year, 2 early one late and then likely 4 next year, 2 early one 2nd and one late.
So once this years guys are paid for it's only what might be wanted with a pick this year, and I'd suggest not much.
Next year there is a not unreasonable expectation that gws will finish higher up the ladder, and so teams wanting some youth might be best to offer tham next years picks.

 

[Determinant]

This year definitely, unsure about next season.

This year only.

 

[VDS66]

Player value is subjective IMO, regardless of where they were originally selected.

True value is relative to what a club is willing to pay... be it overs or unders.

Was Stanley worth pick 21? According to Geelong, yes he was, therefore he was.

was Ben Mac worth what Hawks gave us? Apparently so.

If Fremantle want McCarthy desperately enough they will pay overs, because they see the long term ROI.

Freeman may have been pick 10, but hasn't played a game and is OOC. If we want him badly enough and see him as vital for the long term future, then we will pay a 2nd round to get him. If not, we won't. Same with JC.

 

[gringo2011]

It's amazing how many people don't understand how contract status impacts a player's value at the trade table. Player tied up by a contract is worth so much more than a player out of contract.

It should but players have lost the plot - Boyd for instance. He would have probably got a bidding war going but instead the Dogs just approached him, he chose them and they orchestrated it anyway. GWS should have stared them down. The contracts are worth SFA any more, once clubs had the power now players just do what they want thanks to ***** like Ball in the AFLPA and greedy player managers happy to run with out integrity.

 

[VDS66]

GWS have some quality in their academy next year as well so my opinion is they'd prefer to split a couple of picks over two years instead of one high pick this year.

In regards to Weller, I thinks it's highly unlikely 5 gets him & 15. I'd assume Freo would demand 5 & 24 for Weller & 15. We are an extremely biased group on here so no doubt that ruffles a few feathers [emoji41]

I'd do that and pass 15 on for Carlisle and their 2nd if we could.

 

[Periphery]

GWS have some quality in their academy next year as well so my opinion is they'd prefer to split a couple of picks over two years instead of one high pick this year.

In regards to Weller, I thinks it's highly unlikely 5 gets him & 15. I'd assume Freo would demand 5 & 24 for Weller & 15. We are an extremely biased group on here so no doubt that ruffles a few feathers [emoji41]

I think they could get the points needed for next year from the lower level picks involved in the Treloar trade and any other lower level player moves. Unless they have more than 2 top 10 picks coming through they will probably be fine.

As such, I think they'll be after more top 10 picks to keep spreading the age and quality of their list. Either way it appears they will be getting more picks than they need so they may as well get the highest ones possible imo.

5 and 24 would be fair if we were paying full value for Weller. But if they think he's a chance to leave they may be willing to take slight unders on him if it secures then a key forward for the next 10 years.

I do think that we'd need to give more than just 5, but it's hard to figure out how that works as it would appear to have to be split between GWS and Freo.

Something like this:

Saints
In: 15, Weller
Out: 5, Lee (or equiv), 2016 3rd

Freo
In: McCarthy, Lee (or equiv)
Out: 15, Weller

GWS
In: 5, Saints 2016 3rd
Out: McCarthy

 

[gringo2011]

IMO GWS would probably prefer pick 5 to both of those picks. I think they value quality over quantity at the moment as they'll have plenty of other high picks coming in with Treloar leaving so pick 16 isn't worth much to them. They wont need the points for their academy players. However, from a points perspective two picks in that 16 area are worth a few hundred points more than pick 5 so they might want a 3rd rounder back from someone. It'll be a hard trade to work out even if we don't get involved.

If Weller had Freo real concerned about his likely departure next year then I think it'd put us in a real good position to make something happen this year. I do feel that we'd need to give up more than just pick 5 in the deal. Something like 5 and the equivalent of a 3rd.

I don't think so on the more than pick 5. We hold it, we get a very good midfielder or Francis, we give up more than that and it's not in our interest to get the deal done. It helps us bring in Carlisle potentially but we are in the box seat. We could do something like orchestrating Farren to go to Freo as part of the deal who is possibly not in the long term plans of the Saints but could add real value to the Dockers.

If the Carlisle deal doesn't happen we get Weller who is a fairly light untried mid with potential who was taken late first round. We lose access to a top 5 pick and end up with two meh players potentially that way. If Francis went with that pick and ended up a gun we would look like fools.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I'd do that and pass 15 on for Carlisle and their 2nd if we could.

I'd do that too but I doubt Ess would be happy to part with Carlisle for a 9 pick upgrade [emoji3]

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I think they could get the points needed for next year from the lower level picks involved in the Treloar trade and any other lower level player moves. Unless they have more than 2 top 10 picks coming through they will probably be fine.

As such, I think they'll be after more top 10 picks to keep spreading the age and quality of their list. Either way it appears they will be getting more picks than they need so they may as well get the highest ones possible imo.

5 and 24 would be fair if we were paying full value for Weller. But if they think he's a chance to leave they may be willing to take slight unders on him if it secures then a key forward for the next 10 years.

I do think that we'd need to give more than just 5, but it's hard to figure out how that works as it would appear to have to be split between GWS and Freo.

Something like this:

Saints
In: 15, Weller
Out: 5, Lee (or equiv), 2016 3rd

Freo
In: McCarthy, Lee (or equiv)
Out: 15, Weller

GWS
In: 5, Saints 2016 3rd
Out: McCarthy

Not far off IMO. But as Determinent said, future picks may be of more interest to GWS. Swap pick 5 for a future first rounder & we take Matho this year.

 

[Bleeds_RWB]

I know we think 5 is overs for Carlisle and I agree but what about pick 5 for Carlisle and essendons 2016 first round pick?? As an alternative to what has already been suggested over the past 90 pages.

I'm not suggesting in anyway this is what we should look into but we all talk as 5 is too much and of high value but what if it grabbed us a first rounder in a strong draft.

Then we traded our first round pick 2016 and grabbed aish and second round 2015. Then trading our current year second round pick of 24 for Freeman and 3rd rounder.

So we enter 2015 trade period with Carlisle, aish, Freeman. (Brisbane 2nd round pick, 20) our 3rd rounder and collingwood 3rd rounder for rice.
And we lose our 2016 spot 1st round but we gain essendons first round spot???

 

[gringo2011]

We recently interviewed Eric Hipwood according to a local Qld paper. It was posted on SS.

I don't know why, Brissy would have to be crazy to leave him out. Someone must have wanted a politician style business commitment to write the Queensland school holidays trip off on the Saints.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Expectations are probably that GWS will win a premiership or two in the next few years.
However, I'm seeing them as becoming a youth development team for the other clubs. They're going to be hi draft sponges for a few years yet I think and always ripe for raiding.

 

[gringo2011]

I know we think 5 is overs for Carlisle and I agree but what about pick 5 for Carlisle and essendons 2016 first round pick?? As an alternative to what has already been suggested over the past 90 pages.

I'm not suggesting in anyway this is what we should look into but we all talk as 5 is too much and of high value but what if it grabbed us a first rounder in a strong draft.

Then we traded our first round pick 2016 and grabbed aish and second round 2015. Then trading our current year second round pick of 24 for Freeman and 3rd rounder.

So we enter 2015 trade period with Carlisle, aish, Freeman. (Brisbane 2nd round pick, 20) our 3rd rounder and collingwood 3rd rounder for rice.
And we lose our 2016 spot 1st round but we gain essendons first round spot???

I think that has been suggested a fair bit. I'm pretty sure thats the only way we get that pick taken off us. We would want something back our way. Aish sounds off the cards now too .