List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[bird_man]

Has any club received a PP since the changing of the rules?

 

[Periphery]

If Port didn't get one the year they sacked Primus then nobody is getting one until they go through a season without a win.

2012? They won 5 games that year. That was also right in the middle of the expansion clubs concession and the tanking fiasco. No priority picks were going to be handed out in that environment.

 

[crasha301]

We are hardly in a position where we are guaranteed to win another game this year. Our wins this year have been average at best (barely beat the Dees, and beat two injury ravaged and down teams in GC and Lions) while the Dogs game is a freak occurrence. And we got flogged by Carlton.

As for the priority pick: We'd have a good a claim as anyone in recent years and the AFL has signaled that it isn't dead.

Either way there is more chance of those two things happening than you playing AFL footy.



And you didn't need them after 'will' and 'not'. The one at the end is sufficient.

I guarantee we will snag one more win at a minimum. Besides that the entire AFL can see we have made big improvements this year.

 

[joop]

Of course we will win one more game this year, we still haven't played Freo!

 

[Periphery]

I guarantee we will snag one more win at a minimum. Besides that the entire AFL can see we have made big improvements this year.

It could be argued that a good portion of our improvement has come from our substantially better injury situation.

This would probably work to increase the chances of us getting a PP because it means our W:L is based on a fairly strong 22 every week. If we can only win 5 games for the year with such a strong team then what does that say about how good we are?

 

[crasha301]

It could be argued that a good portion of our improvement has come from our substantially better injury situation.

This would probably work to increase the chances of us getting a PP because it means our W:L is based on a fairly strong 22 every week. If we can only win 5 games for the year with such a strong team then what does that say about how good we are?

It says we are a bottom 5 team on the way up with good management. We wont be getting any gifts.

 

[L_W_P]

It could be argued that a good portion of our improvement has come from our substantially better injury situation.

This would probably work to increase the chances of us getting a PP because it means our W:L is based on a fairly strong 22 every week. If we can only win 5 games for the year with such a strong team then what does that say about how good we are?

If we get one then should every team below us get one?

Melbourne - Need another top player to help change the culture.

Brisbane and GC - Injuries show they have no depth. Need a PP to balance this.

Carlton - Wooden spooners. Judd forced to retire so obviously need a PP to replace him...

 

[Periphery]

It says we are a bottom 5 team on the way up with good management. We wont be getting any gifts.

No really. It more says that even with our best team we are still a bottom 4 team.

If we get one then should every team below us get one?

Melbourne - Need another top player to help change the culture.

Brisbane and GC - Injuries show they have no depth. Need a PP to balance this.

Carlton - Wooden spooners. Judd forced to retire so obviously need a PP to replace him...

If you ignore everything we know about the criteria the AFL assess PP eligibility by then yes you would give all those teams a PP. Too bad that's not how it works.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

The club said we would have 3 years of it... Unless they've changed their minds...

Club never said we'd have three years of 3 x Top 20 picks. What was said is we plan to increase our selections in first three rounds of draft by 50%.

 

[stavro#4]

re priority pick - now this is my opinion but I believe we win 1 more game for the rest of the year. I also think we fall away from here and cop a few beltings in the last 2 months.

IF what I've said comes to fruition,there is only one side worthy of a priority pick since the inception of the expansion clubs and it would be us. We Should be able to argue our wins came against injury deficient sides x2 and a fluke against dogs whilst the Dees had alot of luck. But again strictly IMO. I worry that we might overachiever this year and win a few against depleted sides thus hurting the rebuild in terms of quality of player we can bring in

 

[Persevering Saint]

Just to be clear - when they say a club has to make at least THREE changes to their list: does that include the Rookie list, or does it have to be three from their MAIN list?

 

[DraftGuru_]

We won't be getting a PP. And I don't think we need a PP. Certainly clubs that could argue that if we have one, they should get one. And the AFL aren't going to be handing them out like they're nothing.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Just to be clear - when they say a club has to make at least THREE changes to their list: does that include the Rookie list, or does it have to be three from their MAIN list?

Senior listed players. We will win another two games at least IMO.

 

[Dopey BJ]

Doesn't it mean we have to have to have 3 picks in the national draft?

 

[God Save Max King]

Re us not needing a PP


Teams currently dominating or teams that have dominated:
Freo, built on an elite system, well done to them. But they haven't won a flag.
Hawthorn had priority picks
Sydney have 9.8% more cap space
Geelong got the greatest player I've ever seen basically for free, along with a franchise key forward basically for free, as father/sons.
Collingwood had access to priority picks along with a franchise key forward as a father-son.
West Coast picked up some bloke called Chris Judd as a priority pick and are still reaping the benefits of that (see JJK)
Brisbane had a larger cap.
Port had start-up concessions.

Look into the future

GWS have had the most draft concessions of any team ever and have a larger cap
Collingwood are still benefitting from both Cloke as a Father-Son and priority selection Daisy Thomas (whose compensation selection ultimately though indirectly landed them Scharenburg), will benefit from Darcy Moore (who was a jet in u18s).
The Bulldogs best player was drafted as a Father-Son.

That's every flag team since 2000 that's had considerable concessions that we won't have access to in this rebuild if we don't get a priority pick. I think we need a PP, especially if we want to build a real contender and not be stuck at the bottom for a long time, without pulling some unreal draft picks out of the bag, which is possible but much, much harder.

 

[DraftGuru_]

Re us not needing a PP


Teams currently dominating or teams that have dominated:
Freo, built on an elite system, well done to them. But they haven't won a flag.
Hawthorn had priority picks
Sydney have 9.8% more cap space
Geelong got the greatest player I've ever seen basically for free, along with a franchise key forward basically for free, as father/sons.
Collingwood had access to priority picks along with a franchise key forward as a father-son.
West Coast picked up some bloke called Chris Judd as a priority pick and are still reaping the benefits of that (see JJK)
Brisbane had a larger cap.
Port had start-up concessions.

Look into the future

GWS have had the most draft concessions of any team ever and have a larger cap
Collingwood are still benefitting from both Cloke as a Father-Son and priority selection Daisy Thomas (whose selection ultimately though indirectly landed them Scharenburg), will benefit from Darcy Moore (who was a jet in u18s).
The Bulldogs best player was drafted as a Father-Son.

That's every flag team since 2000 that's had considerable concessions that we won't have access to in this rebuild if we don't get a priority pick. I think we need a PP. Especially we want to build a real contender and not be stuck at the bottom for a long time, without pulling some unreal draft picks out of the bag, which is possible but much, much harder.

We're not going to get a priority pick though. We have shown everyone that we're not a shithole and we're doing the rebuild well. There is no chance they'll give us one.

And I genuinely feel we can win a premiership. We have shown we can pull unreal draft picks out of the bag (see Lonie, Sinclair etc.). I have complete faith in the recruiting team that they can draft us to a premiership without a PP.

 

[Periphery]

We're not going to get a priority pick though. We have shown everyone that we're not a shithole and we're doing the rebuild well. There is no chance they'll give us one.

Not begin a shit club (even if we are still one of the worst financially and on field performers) and being able to orchestrate a rebuild are not exactly a major part of the criteria for a PP though.

Our Win:Loss and % over the last 3 years plus our relative lack of high draft picks are much larger factors in deciding if we get one.

 

[DraftGuru_]

Not begin a shit club (even if we are still one of the worst financially and on field performers) and being able to orchestrate a rebuild are not exactly a major part of the criteria for a PP though.

Our Win:Loss and % over the last 3 years plus our relative lack of high draft picks are much larger factors in deciding if we get one.

We have shown them that there is plenty of hope, we're not playing like Carlton and Melbourne. We have a plan, and its being put into practice. And yes, that is a major part of the criteria for a PP. Playing poorly on field, relates to our win-loss percentage, so not sure what you're trying to say there. And also, we have had a fair few high draft picks recently (6 top 21 picks in last 2 years is a fair few)

 

[Barrels]

Re us not needing a PP


Teams currently dominating or teams that have dominated:
Freo, built on an elite system, well done to them. But they haven't won a flag.
Hawthorn had priority picks
Sydney have 9.8% more cap space
Geelong got the greatest player I've ever seen basically for free, along with a franchise key forward basically for free, as father/sons.
Collingwood had access to priority picks along with a franchise key forward as a father-son.
West Coast picked up some bloke called Chris Judd as a priority pick and are still reaping the benefits of that (see JJK)
Brisbane had a larger cap.
Port had start-up concessions.

Look into the future

GWS have had the most draft concessions of any team ever and have a larger cap
Collingwood are still benefitting from both Cloke as a Father-Son and priority selection Daisy Thomas (whose compensation selection ultimately though indirectly landed them Scharenburg), will benefit from Darcy Moore (who was a jet in u18s).
The Bulldogs best player was drafted as a Father-Son.

That's every flag team since 2000 that's had considerable concessions that we won't have access to in this rebuild if we don't get a priority pick. I think we need a PP, especially if we want to build a real contender and not be stuck at the bottom for a long time, without pulling some unreal draft picks out of the bag, which is possible but much, much harder.

More than happy to be wrong, but IMO we will not get a PP.

Frankly I'm done talking about it.

 

[Periphery]

We have shown them that there is plenty of hope, we're not playing like Carlton and Melbourne. We have a plan, and its being put into practice. And yes, that is a major part of the criteria for a PP. Playing poorly on field, relates to our win-loss percentage, so not sure what you're trying to say there. And also, we have had a fair few high draft picks recently (6 top 21 picks in last 2 years is a fair few)

Not being like another team is not part of the criteria. Neither of those teams are eligible for a PP - the Dees got turned down last year and Carlton has only been bad for 1 year (yet they were still 40 points better than us).

We have this amazing plan in place and we have still finished bottom 3 the last 2 years and look likely to do something very similar this year. Off field plans or performance has no effect on PP access. On field performance does and in that area we are clearly doing poorly.

Those 6 picks inside 21 still leave us below the AFL averages. Hence the word 'relative'. This difference gets even bigger when you consider that Roo and Ray are both top 10 picks and we have to compete with teams like GWS and GC.

 

[Sir Skid]

I'm done talking about it too but...
We will apply and get and end 1st round PP.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

More than happy to be wrong, but IMO we will not get a PP.

Frankly I'm done talking about it.

In my opinion I don't think we'll even ask for a PP. We would have to have a horror finish to season to even be a slight chance of getting one.
Everybody wasting their breath talking about it.

 

[dewah07]

lol the PP talk, we have broken almost every aspect on how to get it as they have frame worked

improved on wins(I'm just assuming we own 1 more game for the rest of the year)
improved %
one of the aspects is a bright future with kids which we have


good luck asking for one

 

[Stewart66]

Maybe i have this wrong but isn't O'meara seriously injured, like maybe never the same again injured?

Will be running doing preseason October .

The guy who has the talent and could be anything is Sam Day, but as said earlier talent can only get you
so far , the demand of training , meetings .
Martin great talent but might struggle with media in Melbourne
Matera would go back to WA if he left GC.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

No ones wasting their breath, this is what this board is for, discussions and possible permutations.
I would suggest if we don't win another game we will definitely get one, however highly unlikely that is.
We basically have a full list and just beat Melbourne on the weekend, the week before we looked out of our depth vs Hawthorn, some perspective is definitely needed.