List Mgmt. 2016 AFL Draft

[wraglesweb]

I'm a hard campaigner. That's why I love McGinnity and can't stand that flog Jetta.
I make no excuses for it.

Sure you are ...

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Sure you are ...

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I have that same outfit

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Absolute trash, on a day when we remember men and women (many 18 years or younger) who went to the other side of the planet to fight wars for their countries freedom.
Puts it into perspective for me.

The current players get paid well, housed well and have access to all kinds of social media.
Many clubs allow them extra time in their home state after away games too.
They have it pretty good IMO.

Comparing military to football is stupid and moronic Here2tellyouwhy. How the 11th of the 11th has anything to do with this is pathetic on your behalf.

These kids that don't want to move is quite pathetic and I'v been a big proponent of players being traded against their will until they sign somewhere as a free agent. I also believe that raising the draft age to be universally 19 so that these potential draftees spend a year out of school and see that its annoying living with family after you're an adult. At 19, whether you're ready or not you are definitely more willing to move for an adventure and are much more secure with who you are and where you need to be.

 

[kerr87]

Great video on SPP!!!

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/v...pper-used-yoga-running-to-get-in-shape/#page1

 

[kerr87]

Cockatoo v SPP - who's the more talented player?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Comparing military to football is stupid and moronic Here2tellyouwhy. How the 11th of the 11th has anything to do with this is pathetic on your behalf.

These kids that don't want to move is quite pathetic and I'v been a big proponent of players being traded against their will until they sign somewhere as a free agent. I also believe that raising the draft age to be universally 19 so that these potential draftees spend a year out of school and see that its annoying living with family after you're an adult. At 19, whether you're ready or not you are definitely more willing to move for an adventure and are much more secure with who you are and where you need to be.

I'm not comparing football to war. One is a game the other certainly is not.
I'm comparing 18 year olds from today with the 18 year olds from 100 years ago.

But I agree that these kids that dont want to move are pathetic.
For every McCarthy there's 100 or more kids who play his position that are desperate for a chance.
If McCarthy was at a club other than GWS that club would suffer greatly from how he has gone about honouring his contract and seeking a trade.

 

[FatPizza]

Cockatoo v SPP - who's the more talented player?

SPP is probably harder at it?

 

[mattyc75]

Just checked AFL site 191cm and 82kgs

Got him pegged as a big bodied mid...

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[wraglesweb]

Cockatoo v SPP - who's the more talented player?

Cockatoo more talented.

SPP more hard campaigner

 

[getgaff]

Pretty keen on Berry. Quick, tall, quality character (no flight risk according to Twomey). Spoken about as potential top pick before start of year but injuries impacted him this year.

Hard to tell about the flight risk on Berry. What I do know is that he is very close with his father who has been a solo parent the last few years, Jarryd mother died of cancer if I read correctly a couple of years back.

I've really warming to him as a player over the past few weeks, those attributes you mentioned plus his leadership is also rated highlyl and wouldn't be at all upset if we went that way instead of a local talent.

 

[JohnW]

Yeah it's a tricky one.

I guess the general feeling is that, yes, most kids would like to stay where they grew up and be surrounded by friends and family, but 99% of them grit their teeth, embrace change and end up enjoying their new lives once they spend a bit of time there.

People get annoyed when kids make up their minds beforehand that they will want to come home, don't even give themselves that chance to adapt, and by doing so undermine equalisation.

My thoughts are if you are that insecure or have family issues that need resolving maybe stick to the WAFL/SANFL/VFL until you grow up a bit and then push for the national comp when you feel comfortable.

And not one club is forced to take a player who would prefer to be in a different state. We all have a say in our work place, why cant footy players?

If you were skilled and dedicated enough to have multiple teams wanting to draft you, there is no issue with being honest and telling them how you feel.

If a draftee was silly enough to put enough conditions on himself leading into the draft that he went undrafted than that's his/her stupid fault. If you don't care about draft position and you feel putting conditions on your self will see a better result for yourself then thumbs up from me for playing your cards right. You need to look out for yourself because after the system has got what it wanted from you (and also paid you extremely well) you will be spat out and generally long forgotten.

 

[SpaceClef]

And not one club is forced to take a player who would prefer to be in a different state. We all have a say in our work place, why cant footy players?

Because the integrity of the competition relies on the draft.

Think about this hypothetical - WCE and Fremantle both play off in a grand final (we win of course), and so we have picks 17 and 18 in the draft. A WA kid is head and shoulders above the rest of the draftees that year but tells recruiters he will only play if he stays in Perth. All clubs pass on him, meaning the best player in the draft pool now slides through to pick 17.

The team who finished last is no longer able to get what they deserve - one of the key tenets of equalisation

It's the same as the indignation we all feel when Sydney manages to get future Brownlow medallists like Heeney for pick 17, when equalisation otherwise dictates that he should have gone to a team who 'deserved' him more.

Likewise if the Gold Coast-compromised 2010 draft pool was more like 2007 and our wooden spoon was 'rewarded' with Cale Morton instead of Andrew Gaff. We'd be pissed off, because when you finish last you expect equalisation to give you something in return.

Granted it is more of an issue when the player is highly rated - see Wingard.

Like I said to Keyser, i'm looking at it from a broader competition perspective, not a personal one. I don't blame players for wanting to stay where they grew up, but I don't think it's good for the competition if teams and prospective draftees are in cahoots and deliberately influence recruiters in order to shape where they end up.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Cockatoo v SPP - who's the more talented player?

The question is "Who had the better highlights package?"

Dustin Martin for mine.

 

[JohnW]

Because the integrity of the competition relies on the draft.

Think about this hypothetical - WCE and Fremantle both play off in a grand final (we win of course), and so we have picks 17 and 18 in the draft. A WA kid is head and shoulders above the rest of the draftees that year but tells recruiters he will only play if he stays in Perth. All clubs pass on him, meaning the best player in the draft pool now slides through to pick 17.

The team who finished last is no longer able to get what they deserve - one of the key tenets of equalisation

It's the same as the indignation we all feel when Sydney manages to get future Brownlow medallists like Heeney for pick 17, when equalisation otherwise dictates that he should have gone to a team who 'deserved' him more.

Likewise if the Gold Coast-compromised 2010 draft pool was more like 2007 and our wooden spoon was 'rewarded' with Cale Morton instead of Andrew Gaff. We'd be pissed off, because when you finish last you expect equalisation to give you something in return.

Granted it is more of an issue when the player is highly rated - see Wingard.

Like I said to Keyser, i'm looking at it from a broader competition perspective, not a personal one. I don't blame players for wanting to stay where they grew up, but I don't think it's good for the competition if teams and prospective draftees are in cahoots and deliberately influence recruiters in order to shape where they end up.

Think about Cyril.

We are not talking about saying the will not play, just that the will leave once they can. Similar but not the same.

In your scenario would the other clubs be better drafting the best player no matter what and have him for 2,3,4 years, or draft the second best player and have them for 8,9,10 years? If the kids go to the higher ranked club, then leave anyway the equalisation has failed anyway.

If the player is that much better than the field, pick him, play him, and try and convince him to stay. The equalisation is still available in your scenario, it is the clubs that are choosing not to act on it.

Your can't regulate poor drafts, it may suck for the club who has the low pick at that time, buts that's part a parcel of it. It happened the year we won the spoon. From memory instead of Swallow we got Gaff. At the time equalisation or fairness we thought we were robbed, turned out pretty good.

 

[Seadog]

It's those kids that fought in stupid wars that allowed the current kids to even play footy let alone be privileged enough to play at the highest level, see the country and get paid well for it.

Maybe it isn't I that has a weird perspective of things.

Everone could have stayed home from the first world war and the country would have been better off. Kids were bullshitted too and and told it would be a great adventure and be wrapped up in a few months. We'd still be playing footy if those kids had not been needlessy slaughtered .
War isn't some schoolboy fantasy and goverments glorify it so the next group of kids they want to sacrifice will toddle off like lemmings.
Right, I've gone over the top but seriously you are saying kids shouldn't have a preference of where they play footy cos because 60 - 100 years ago other kids had to fight in a war.
Is that the perspective you take when you make decisions in your own life?
" i don't want to work in Marble Bar but I will cos people had to fight in wars "

 

[Biggie]

Comparing kids who would rather stay in their home state to play footy to other kids who went off to fight in stupid wars is pretty strange.

I read as the kids these days have too many decisions and hare soft, whereas kids those days lead a hard life and were sent off regardless.

Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Everone could have stayed home from the first world war and the country would have been better off. Kids were bullshitted too and and told it would be a great adventure and be wrapped up in a few months. We'd still be playing footy if those kids had not been needlessy slaughtered .
War isn't some schoolboy fantasy and goverments glorify it so the next group of kids they want to sacrifice will toddle off like lemmings.
Right, I've gone over the top but seriously you are saying kids shouldn't have a preference of where they play footy cos because 60 - 100 years ago other kids had to fight in a war.
Is that the perspective you take when you make decisions in your own life?
" i don't want to work in Marble Bar but I will cos people had to fight in wars "

WTF is a marble bar?

War is ****ed up ****ing shit.
Playing footy isn't.
The kids these days can manage playing it a fews hours away. It wont kill them.

 

[WCE_phil]

Everone could have stayed home from the first world war and the country would have been better off. Kids were bullshitted too and and told it would be a great adventure and be wrapped up in a few months. We'd still be playing footy if those kids had not been needlessy slaughtered .
War isn't some schoolboy fantasy and goverments glorify it so the next group of kids they want to sacrifice will toddle off like lemmings.
Right, I've gone over the top but seriously you are saying kids shouldn't have a preference of where they play footy cos because 60 - 100 years ago other kids had to fight in a war.
Is that the perspective you take when you make decisions in your own life?
" i don't want to work in Marble Bar but I will cos people had to fight in wars "

Jesus don't bring up a shit hole like Marble Bar. I would rather go to war than marble bar (i've done both)

 

[Truckosaurus]

So it's agreed then: we won't be drafting Marble Bar but we might rookie a few WW1 vets.

 

[kranky al]

So it's agreed then: we won't be drafting Marble Bar but we might rookie a few WW1 vets.

Is ozzie sick

 

[swooshacummings]

Absolute trash, on a day when we remember men and women (many 18 years or younger) who went to the other side of the planet to fight wars for their countries freedom.
Puts it into perspective for me.

The current players get paid well, housed well and have access to all kinds of social media.
Many clubs allow them extra time in their home state after away games too.
They have it pretty good IMO.

The wars never for freedom, but wealth creation for the already rich.

Agree that the people were an amazingly gritty folk though..

 

[swooshacummings]

Everone could have stayed home from the first world war and the country would have been better off. Kids were bullshitted too and and told it would be a great adventure and be wrapped up in a few months. We'd still be playing footy if those kids had not been needlessy slaughtered .
War isn't some schoolboy fantasy and goverments glorify it so the next group of kids they want to sacrifice will toddle off like lemmings.
Right, I've gone over the top but seriously you are saying kids shouldn't have a preference of where they play footy cos because 60 - 100 years ago other kids had to fight in a war.
Is that the perspective you take when you make decisions in your own life?
" i don't want to work in Marble Bar but I will cos people had to fight in wars "

Well said. WW1 and 2 were bankers wars.

 

[Mickey Rae]

WTF is a marble bar?

War is stuffed up ******* shit.
Playing footy isn't.
The kids these days can manage playing it a fews hours away. It wont kill them.

It used to be downstairs at the Sydney Hilton....... Great jazz music.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

It used to be downstairs at the Sydney Hilton....... Great jazz music.

It wasn't downstairs at the Paris Hilton?

 

[Obeanie1]

Looking at Venables he reminds me of a slightly taller / bigger Luke Shuey.

Maybe not quite as quick but stronger over head and on the lead.

I'd still rather reach a little with SPP, he's the closest thing to Dustin Martin we've seen for quite a while and we really need more aggression and goal kicking from our mids resting / playing forward.