List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Mofra]

Apparently according to Bishop the Dogs have shown some interest in Callum Porter.

Interest in Porter and Fogarty - I guess we can put a line through anyone who isn't an elite tackler with our selection.

FWIW on Porter: http://websites.sportstg.com/team_i...97864300&client=1-3020-111700-437836-25836205

Has a 14, a 13 and a 12 tackle game if I'm reading that correctly.

 

[Wizard17]

Interest in Porter and Fogarty - I guess we can put a line through anyone who isn't an elite tackler with our selection.

FWIW on Porter: http://websites.sportstg.com/team_i...97864300&client=1-3020-111700-437836-25836205

Has a 14, a 13 and a 12 tackle game if I'm reading that correctly.

Porter would be at the late pick or rookie but yeah we seem to be linked to players lately who are willing to tackle like maniacs.

 

[Wizard17]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-official-big-footy-phantom-draft.1181789/

So....

9 - Charlie Constable
16 - Nathan Murphy

Now the long wait until 82....

 

[VitalDread]

Apparently according to Bishop the Dogs have shown some interest in Callum Porter.

I know his brother and worked with him while he was training with Casey this year.
Already got a contract with Frankston, Sandy, Gippsland if he doesn't get drafted.

Lightly framed midfielder that can be used at the half forward. runs for days

 

[VitalDread]

I don't know much about him but why is Nathan Murphy so highly touted?
who does he compare too?

 

[Gollo]

Elite as in work rate or elite as in always second to the ball. For
memory Lachlan Fogarty's brother played for Footscray and was
not ever going to compete in the Stawell gift unless it was in the
mile.

Tackling should never, ever be attributed to a player being second to the ball. Fogarty is good enough that he doesn't deserve to have that used as a speculative weakness of his. It is 100% a case of him having exceptional work rate and the mindset to be always looking to disrupt the ball in the oppositions hands.

 

[Gollo]

Apparently according to Bishop the Dogs have shown some interest in Callum Porter.

That makes me very, very happy. Big time potential to make the grade as a late/rookie pick.

 

[Yojimbo]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-official-big-footy-phantom-draft.1181789/

So....

9 - Charlie Constable
16 - Nathan Murphy

Now the long wait until 82....

Got off to a great start with Stephenson at pick 2, but the
Adelaide and Sydney picks stunk it up a little. I would not
be surprised if we did the exact same as you in fact i have
resigned myself to a choice of three.

 

[Yojimbo]

Tackling should never, ever be attributed to a player being second to the ball. Fogarty is good enough that he doesn't deserve to have that used as a speculative weakness of his. It is 100% a case of him having exceptional work rate and the mindset to be always looking to disrupt the ball in the oppositions hands.

Never seen him play Gollo, but i have watched his brother play for
Footscray and he was a slow trier, how does he compare to his
brother ?

 

[Wizard17]

I don't know much about him but why is Nathan Murphy so highly touted?
who does he compare too?

Looks a bit like Elliot Yeo to me from very brief watching of him. Tall flanker with long arms and very good overhead, long penetrating kick.

 

[VitalDread]

Looks a bit like Elliot Yeo to me from very brief watching of him. Tall flanker with long arms and very good overhead, long penetrating kick.

Brisbane Yeo or West Coast Yeo?

 

[Gollo]

Never seen him play Gollo, but i have watched his brother play for
Footscray and he was a slow trier, how does he compare to his
brother ?

Fogarty's movement is a strength of his, very good laterally and has strong straight line speed and acceleration. Assists his ability to apply pressure on the ball and helps him move easily around the contest to win hard ball. I wouldn't consider him to be a slow trier at all. Very clean ball use, goal sense is another big tick.

 

[dogwatch]

Thanks for all the updates folks. Here's the updated table (saves you having to page back).
I'd put it in its own thread but we've already got a squillion draft threads.

 

[Dav1d]

Connor Ballenden also scored a perfect score in his kicking test at the combine

 

[Gollo]

Interest in Porter and Fogarty - I guess we can put a line through anyone who isn't an elite tackler with our selection.

FWIW on Porter: http://websites.sportstg.com/team_i...97864300&client=1-3020-111700-437836-25836205

Has a 14, a 13 and a 12 tackle game if I'm reading that correctly.

He had one game where his stat line read:
23 kicks (16 effective), 13 handballs (8 effective), 10 marks (4 contested), 12 tackles, 6 free kicks and 4.1. It was massive and really put him on the map as a bloke with really good all-round capacity and an impressive ceiling. While the rest of his form during the season hasn't quite been to this standard, it has been strong and consistent and he looms as a bloke with the capacity to move into a role at an AFL club in any position with his range of skills and defensive presence.

 

[giblj]

Out of interest, who are some other players in the class who are notable for their tackle pressure?

 

[Gollo]

Inconsistent production is another weakness of Rayner's. Doesn't cope at all well with targeted defensive pressure. Another reason for his underwhelming school footy form.

 

[Gollo]

On an unrelated note, the work AFL Draft Central have been doing in creating a draft encyclopedia of sorts is thoroughly impressive. It must be seriously hard trying to generate content around these draftees with inconsistent television air-time, a limited range of statistics and the lack of exposure they get due to most being in a year 12 environment. They've really upped their game this year with the draft pool feature and I can imagine it being really useful to club supporters who don't have a strong idea of the actual draftees their club has taken. If they keep improving and adding useful features at this rate they are going to become a really worthwhile franchise.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Looks a bit like Elliot Yeo to me from very brief watching of him. Tall flanker with long arms and very good overhead, long penetrating kick.

I don't like that comparison myself. Someone mentioned Mundy, I think that's a better comparison.

Yeo is more of a natural athlete, he has a much bigger leap and is very quick. Featured heavily in combine testing. Where as Murphy is more of a natural footballer, reads it quicker then most and is quick to make a decision while generally taking the right option. He's not really one to run the ball or take a high leaping intercept mark like Yeo. I think Yeo makes some poor decisions as well and isn't overly smart around congestion (part of the reason why he struggled as a midfielder).

The thing that really stands out with Murphy is he doesn't really need much time to be damaging with it and I think he is quite a smart player in tight spaces. Hard to see it on the highlights video, but that's what I've seen from watching him live. That's why I think there's definite potential for him to move into the midfield, he has good vision, agility and endurance as well. The only question mark for me is, will he be able to stand up to the physical side of things in the midfield?

 

[goodcop badcop]

dogwatch

Zac Bailey

Weaknesses

Kicking can be a bit inconsistent
Not a huge ball winner for a mid

Measurement is a bit out there he's 181cm, 81kg

Jarrad Bander

Strengths

Good all round athleticism
Good field kick

Weaknesses

Inconsistent
Can drop some easy marks

Jordan Houlahan

186cm, 76kg
Medium Forward
Sturt
19/Feb/99

Strengths

Big leap (top 10 in all leap testing)
Goal kicking (30/30 at combine)
Kicking (28/30 at comine)

Weaknesses

Versatility
Commitment level (questioned by coach)

Noah Balta

Strengths

Good all round athleticism
Very clean at ground level
Strong Contested mark

Weaknesses

Decision making
Smarts

Lachlan Fogarty

Strengths

Agility (8.06 - from earlier testing)
Tackling

Tim Kelly

182cm, 81kg
Midfielder
South Fremantle
26/Jul/94

Strengths

Clearances
Explosive
Goal sense
Strong tackler

Other Comments

2nd in WAFL medal count
Knee injury ended his season
Didn't test at combine

Ryley Stoddart

185cm, 74kg
Half back
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
15/Oct/99

Strengths

Good athlete
Evasive
Good user

Weaknesses

Ball winning
Tackling

Matthew Ling

Strengths

Decision making
Endurance (21.8 yoyo test)

Weaknesses

Inconsistent
Ball winning
Poor opposite foot

Patrick Naish

Strengths

Evasive

Weaknesses

Size
Contested ball (av 4 CP at U18 carnival)

Sam Hayes

Strengths

Tapwork
Mobility
Marking

Weaknesses

Commitment level (questioned by coach)

Other Comments

Twice All Australian (this year & last year)

Connor Ballenden

Strengths

Goal kicking (25/30 at combine)
Kicking (30/30 at combine)
Versatile (Fwd, ruck, back)
Decision making
Marking

Weaknesses

Work rate/Endurance
Skinfolds (bottom 10 at combine)
Physically not imposing himself enough (Needs to crash more packs)

 

[Gollo]

Sam Hayes has a big weakness with his endurance, came second last in the 2km time trial at 8m 22s. Had a poor yoyo test result too, apparently.

I also wouldn't consider Brander's kicking a strength of his. He has very good kicking penetration but his All-Stars game was massively underwhelming to me - seemed to be completely inconsistent with his short kicking, missed some really rudimentary targets.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Sam Hayes has a big weakness with his endurance, came second last in the 2km time trial at 8m 22s. Had a poor yoyo test result too, apparently.

I also wouldn't consider Brander's kicking a strength of his. He has very good kicking penetration but his All-Stars game was massively underwhelming to me - seemed to be completely inconsistent with his short kicking, missed some really rudimentary targets.

Yeah Hayes' endurance is already on the table. Just adding a few things to it.

On Brander, I don't mind if dogwatch leaves his kicking off the list. It's not what I'd call elite or anything. I think generally he's a pretty good kick for a big guy though.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I see his floor as playing a Lin Jong type role where he doesn't develop real consistency and his skills don't take off but at the same stage his skills don't look as bad. Either way I wouldn't mind another player like that on our list, so long as we take a player with good skills at 16.

Just reading inside footy profiles. Bonar's talent manager describes him as an elite kick and decision maker. I think that might be going a little too far, but on what I've seen his kicking looked more then reasonable and he got plenty of penetration on it. I don't see it as a weakness at all.

 

[Wizard17]

I don't like that comparison myself. Someone mentioned Mundy, I think that's a better comparison.

Yeo is more of a natural athlete, he has a much bigger leap and is very quick. Featured heavily in combine testing. Where as Murphy is more of a natural footballer, reads it quicker then most and is quick to make a decision while generally taking the right option. He's not really one to run the ball or take a high leaping intercept mark like Yeo. I think Yeo makes some poor decisions as well and isn't overly smart around congestion (part of the reason why he struggled as a midfielder).

The thing that really stands out with Murphy is he doesn't really need much time to be damaging with it and I think he is quite a smart player in tight spaces. Hard to see it on the highlights video, but that's what I've seen from watching him live. That's why I think there's definite potential for him to move into the midfield, he has good vision, agility and endurance as well. The only question mark for me is, will he be able to stand up to the physical side of things in the midfield?

I meant in the way in which he marks the ball. He actually has a good leap and a really long wingspan so he is very strong overhead for his size.

I haven't seen the same midfield game as Mundy with him.

I don't really like player comparisons anyway. Each player is unique.

 

[Royal Doulton]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-official-big-footy-phantom-draft.1181789/

So....

9 - Charlie Constable
16 - Nathan Murphy

Now the long wait until 82....

Good get at 16 but no way Constable at 9 imo...

Time will tell but given the way the picks played out in that phantom.. no way Fal overlooks Brander at 9 & 16... or Bonar at 9 for that matter..

I think we would have Brander, Bonar & Higgins ahead of Constable in that Phantom..