2018 Draft thread

[Sunny_]

Article writing up what the assistance for Gold Coast and Carlton might look like: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ayers-from-state-leagues-20180822-p4zz47.html

It also suggests St Kilda will apply - I'd be pretty frustrated if they got assistance given they have won 27 games the last 3 years whereas we have only won 13.

There's an article up today that Brisbane are also going to apply for one, bringing the total up to four clubs applying.

 

[a mayes ing]

There's an article up today that Brisbane are also going to apply for one, bringing the total up to four clubs applying.

Can you post the article or link it?

 

[Sunny_]

 

[Tom14]

Can you post the article or link it?

Full article in the quote below:

AFL expects possibly four priority pick requests from struggling clubs

AUGUST 22, 2018THE AFL Commission will decide upon as many as four priority pick requests on Brownlow Medal day as it prepares for clubs to make submissions next week.

Carlton and Gold Coast are certain to submit requests after underperforming seasons, with Suns chief executive Mark Evans in the unique position of handing out the last priority pick to the Lions in 2016 in his role at the AFL.

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Brisbane chief executive Greg Swann on Wednesday said the Lions would likely lodge a request after winning only 18 games in the past four years, the least in the AFL.

"We would consider it," he said.

It comes as the Herald Sun can reveal the AFL trialled two models at the recent chief executives meeting that handed clubs an extra selection if they had not played finals for five years.

The AFL workshopped two models that won strong club support - one that saw clubs handed an extra selection after that year's non-finalists (pick 11 onwards) and another after the first round of the draft.

The AFL made clear that rule for perennial underperformers was unlikely to come in this year, but hypothetically Carlton, Brisbane, Gold Coast and St Kilda would have qualified for an extra pick given five years out of September action.

Under the current priority pick rule the Saints could also consider an application after four wins and a draw but their 23 wins in the previous two years would count against them.

Former Carlton chief executive Ian Collins, who introduced priority picks as the AFL's football boss, said on Wednesday the Blues deserved an extra pick.

He believes clubs should not have to make submissions, arguing concrete guidelines should reward clubs with pre-draft picks.

Despite Steve Hocking's open-ended answer to questioning over the weekend, the league has emphatically ruled out pre-draft priority picks to clubs like Carlton and the Suns.

But mid first-round picks are on the table or the usual selections after the first round of the draft that saw Brisbane secure young star Jarrod Berry with pick 19 in the 2016 national draft.

"I introduced the rules on priority picks. I told (Blues CEO) Cain Liddle he should have had a priority pick request into the AFL as far back as January," Collins told the Herald Sun.

"If you want a bit of light at the end of the tunnel for supporters you need to start making things happen. If they get assistance, so be it.

"It is a bit silly the AFL having to approve it instead of setting down hard and fast rules.

"In the old system you had to perform poorly for three years and if you were a basketcase you get a pick."

AFL spokesman Patrick Keane confirmed on Wednesday the timeline for those requests involved submissions only after Round 23 of the AFL season.

The AFL's executive would then scrutinise those requests before the AFL approves or rejects them at their absolute discretion.

The AFL's own rules on priority picks do not refer to submissions, saying the commission "in its absolute discretion that a club is entitled to one or more priority selections at the next occurring national draft selection meetings".

Under the current priority pick rule the Saints can consider an application but their form in the previous two years is likely to count against them.
But the league has told clubs it must submit requests, which will force the Blues under Liddle and new football boss Brad Lloyd to cautiously backtrack from their position not to apply for one.

If Brisbane beats West Coast it would have six victories for the season - above the old threshold for a pick - but after being rejected last year might argue less than victories in four seasons makes them eligible.

The Lions' healthy percentage of 89.9 and five losses of seven points or under will count against them.

St Kilda could argue it has won only four and a half games this year but having won 23 games in the previous two seasons would be unlikely to receive an extra selection.

Saints coach Alan Richardson argued on Fox Footy's AFL360 on Monday night the priority pick should be retained by the AFL but did not indicate St Kilda's intentions.

Coach Chris Fagan has just signed on for an extra two years with the Brisbane Lions and a priority pick would do his tenure no harm.
CLUBS WHO COULD APPLY FOR A PRIORITY PICK

CARLTON

Has won five wooden spoons this century, more than any other club. Hasn't legitimately qualified for finals since 2011 (played at Essendon's expense in 2013), hasn't finished above 13th in the past five seasons. Will apply.

GOLD COAST

Ravaged by a player drain, hasn't finished above 12th in its eight-year history, the league didn't give it enough concessions or support in initial set-up. Will apply

BRISBANE

Has won only 18 games in the past four years, less than Carlton (19) and the Suns (20 and a draw), and didn't receive a priority pick last year despite finishing last. Will definitely make a submission.

ST KILDA

A long shot but have won only four games this year (plus a draw), beating only Brisbane, Gold Coast, Carlton and Melbourne. Haven't played finals since 2011.

 

[Viceregal]

Not sure that I remember anyone suggesting that the Gold Coast were not given enough start up concessions ...

 

[CarterS]

The league didn’t give GC enough support or concessions on startup? WTF?

 

[lionshine]

I'd like us to be given access to a state league player as well as opposed to a priority pick.

 

[Jivlain]

The league didn’t give GC enough support or concessions on startup? WTF?

GWS' concessions are generally considered to have been better.

 

[Choppers]

The league didn’t give GC enough support or concessions on startup? WTF?

Just check out the difference between us and GWS, then you decide.

file:///C:/Users/Acer/Desktop/gwsgcconcessionsfinal.pdf

 

[Requiem]

Just check out the difference between us and GWS, then you decide.

file:///C:/Users/Acer/Desktop/gwsgcconcessionsfinal.pdf

Umm I don't think that link is going to work dude.

 

[chopperduck]

Like the idea of access to a mature recruit. Can help make a difference quicker, but also gives a mature age guy a chance.

Reckon PP need to be end of first round at best. Think you could give these more often as well.

 

[Choppers]

Umm I don't think that link is going to work dude.

Ok maybe you're right so I'll do the best I can....

Introduction
In the early 2010's, the AFL underwent expan-
sion, adding two clubs based in two of Australia's
largest growth areas. The rst of the clubs, the
Gold Coast Suns, were added into the national
competition in 2011, while the GWS Giants en-
tered the AFL in 2012. Both clubs were given
numerous draft, salary cap, list size and zone
recruitment concessions.
Many claim that the GWS Giants and the Gold
Coast Suns received the same concessions upon
entry into the AFL. This report compares the con-
cessions granted to the two clubs, and attempts
to determine the validity of this popular claim.
Draft Concessions
The two clubs were given access to draft picks
in both the National and Rookie Drafts. As an
additional concession to the GWS Giants, a Mini-
Draft was established, allowing access to 17 year
old players from across the nation. The mini-
draft was ran in 2011 and 2012. The Giants were
provided with the rst two picks in both of these,
which they were forced to trade to other clubs
in the competition. In the Rookie draft of their
foundation year, the Suns were granted the rst
ve selections. The GWS Giants were granted
the rst eight picks in their rst rookie draft.
In the 2010 National Draft, the Suns were granted
picks 1,2,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,26 and 48. In the 2012
National Draft, the Giants were granted picks
1,2,3,5,7,9,11,13,15 and 26.
Quantifying the National draft picks given to
both clubs is an easy task - the AFL assigns Na-
tional draft picks point values. This is designed
for the Academy and Father/Son bidding system,
although it provides a simple way to compare
draft concessions. The Gold Coast Suns received
17,426 draft points in their inaugural year, while
the GWS Giants received 16,395 draft points in
the National Draft.
To quantify the value of the Mini-draft picks, we
examine what each of these picks was traded for.
In the 2011 draft, the rst mini-draft pick was
traded alongside draft pick no. 31, for the fourth
pick in the National draft, and a rst round com-
pensation pick. This gives this mini-draft pick a
points value of at least 1428 points.
The second mini-draft pick was traded alongside
Luke Brown for Pick 10 in the national draft,
and a rst round compensation pick. Brown has
played 86 games for his destination club, and was
likely worth the rst round compensation pick
involved in the trade. Thus, the points value of
the second mini-draft pick is approximately 1395
points.
The rst 2012 mini-draft pick was traded for a
points value of 2586 points, while the second pick

 

[Choppers]

was traded for approximately 2483 points. (This
trade also included Dom Barry, who played only
5 games for his destination club.)
Across the national and mini-drafts, the Gold
Coast Suns received draft concessions totalling ap-
proximately 17,500 points, while the GWS Giants
received picks worth 24,000. This approximate
dierence of 6,500 is equivalent to two number-
one selections in a National Draft, or picks 1, 3
and 5. Thus, along with their additional rookie
selections, the draft concessions provided to the
GWS Giants were considerably more generous.
Salary Cap Concessions
Upon entry into the national competitions, both
clubs were granted increased salary cap space
for a number of years. A comparison of these
concessions have been provided in Table 1 .
Years After
Inaugural Season
Salary Concession (AUD) Dierence
GCS GWS (AUD)
0 1,000,000 1,000,000 0
1 800,000 1,000,000 200,000
2 600,000 1,000,000 400,000
3 400,000 880000 480,000
4 0 760000 760,000
5 0 640000 640,000
6 0 520000 520,000
7 0 0 0
Table 1: Comparison of Salary Cap Concessions
Table 1 shows that the Salary cap concessions
given to the GWS giants were more generous and
lasted for a signicantly longer period of time.
The salary cap concessions given to the Suns
ended with the 2014 AFL season, their fourth in
competition. The Giants, however, will receive
salary cap concessions up to and including the
2018 AFL Season, their 7th season in the national
competition.
The cap concessions given to the Giants are signif-
icantly more generous. The Suns received a total
$2; 800; 000 in cap concessions over the lifetime of
their start-up period, while the GWS Giants will
receive $5; 800; 000, a dierence of three million
dollars.
Years After
Inaugural Season
List Size
Dierence
GCS GWS
0 48 50 2
1 46 50 4
2 42 50 8
3 40 48 8
4 38 46 8
5 38 44 6
6 38 42 4
7 38 38 0
Table 2: Comparison of List Sizes
List Size Concessions
Both clubs were granted access to increased list
sizes. Table 2 gives a comparison of the expanded
list sizes granted to both clubs.
Recruitment and Academy
Zones
The AFL also provided zone selections to both
clubs. These are compared in Table 3
Years After
Inaugural Season
Zone Concessions
GCS GWS
-2 20 QLD 0
-1 5QLD 2NT 4 NSW 2NT
0 5QLD 4 NSW 2NT
1 5QLD 4 NSW 2NT
2 0 0
Table 3: Comparison of Zone Selections
The 20 QLD zone selections were provided to
Gold Coast in order for the club to eld a team
in the 2009 TAC cup. A large portion of these
selections had to be culled, in order to t under
the minimum list size upon entry into the AFL.
Disregarding these 20 TAC Cup selections, the
Giants were provided 18 zone selections to Gold
Coast's seventeen. Comparing these concessions

 

[Choppers]

Sorry mate, doing it this way isn't working.....anyway it boils down to GWS got so much more than us, but because we're a basket case atm, all the attention is on us and GWS flies under the radar...any way I reckon you blokes are on the right track so keep it going....

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Didn't mind the look of McAdam from the video posted in the trade/FA thread a few days ago. Nice little bonus that he has a family connection to the club too. Maybe an option if we can get the rights to a state league player pre-draft like has been suggested above.

 

[dlanod]

Sorry mate, doing it this way isn't working.....anyway it boils down to GWS got so much more than us, but because we're a basket case atm, all the attention is on us and GWS flies under the radar...any way I reckon you blokes are on the right track so keep it going....

GC got a much more productive zone.

GWS got more concessions to try to cancel that out.

GWS used very few of the additional concessions. The main bonus was the minidraft picks, which ended up netting GWS about the same amount of extra draft capital as GC has gotten by trading away guys from the Qld zone.

 

[Nuggo]

Should checkout what the Brisbane Bears got when they first entered. The generosity was over whelming.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

GC got a much more productive zone.

Did they? I thought GWS had the Riverina until a year or two ago

 

[jackess]

A YEAR after landing on the scrap heap, Werribee key defender Sam Collins is almost certain to land back in the AFL following a dominant season where he has become the Jeremy McGovern of the VFL.
It is a stunning response from the 24-year-old, who was starved of opportunity across two years at Fremantle before being cut last October after just 14 games.

Foxsports.com.au understands Brisbane and Gold Coast are two of several clubs keen on Collins, with the 194cm, 98kg defender expected to go somewhere in the second or third round, potentially as high as the early 20s.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/7d1f2f6e9ae346fc6be56e0f676daded

 

[Nunez]

A YEAR after landing on the scrap heap, Werribee key defender Sam Collins is almost certain to land back in the AFL following a dominant season where he has become the Jeremy McGovern of the VFL.
It is a stunning response from the 24-year-old, who was starved of opportunity across two years at Fremantle before being cut last October after just 14 games.

Foxsports.com.au understands Brisbane and Gold Coast are two of several clubs keen on Collins, with the 194cm, 98kg defender expected to go somewhere in the second or third round, potentially as high as the early 20s.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/7d1f2f6e9ae346fc6be56e0f676daded

Would be funny if he gets drafted back to Freo.

 

[TheHairyGamer]

I'd like us to be given access to a state league player as well as opposed to a priority pick.

Couldn't agree more. I am ok with Carlton and GC getting end of first round pick and a state player and we get a state player as well. We got a PP a couple of years ago, giving Carlton and GC that now with a player makes the 3 clubs having received equal assistance from the AFL.

Would love access to a state player before Draft night.

 

[M Malice]

A YEAR after landing on the scrap heap, Werribee key defender Sam Collins is almost certain to land back in the AFL following a dominant season where he has become the Jeremy McGovern of the VFL.
It is a stunning response from the 24-year-old, who was starved of opportunity across two years at Fremantle before being cut last October after just 14 games.

Foxsports.com.au understands Brisbane and Gold Coast are two of several clubs keen on Collins, with the 194cm, 98kg defender expected to go somewhere in the second or third round, potentially as high as the early 20s.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/7d1f2f6e9ae346fc6be56e0f676daded

Interesting that we are one of the clubs linked to him, at first glance we have multiple KPD options ie. Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner, Matt Eagles, Jack Payne, Sam Skinner, Jack Frost, + Connor Ballenden and Daniel McStay who can swing back and forward.

Although looking at those players only 2 of them have proven themselves over an extended time as good AFL level players. Collins is getting rave reviews and he would be a handy pickup for us IMO, I wouldn't want to be using a selection in the first 2 rounds on him though.

 

[Choppers]

GC got a much more productive zone.

GWS got more concessions to try to cancel that out.

GWS used very few of the additional concessions. The main bonus was the minidraft picks, which ended up netting GWS about the same amount of extra draft capital as GC has gotten by trading away guys from the Qld zone.

The 20 QLD zone selections were provided to
Gold Coast in order for the club to eld a team
in the 2009 TAC cup. A large portion of these
selections had to be culled, in order to t under
the minimum list size upon entry into the AFL.
Disregarding these 20 TAC Cup selections, the
Giants were provided 18 zone selections to Gold
Coast's seventeen. Comparing these concessions
is dicult, as the AFL provided both teams with
two dierent zones. The Giants' zone includes
the Riverina region, an area of NSW located
below the Barassi line. As of the end of the 2016
AFL Season, it continues to be within the clubs
academy zone.

Conclusion
Despite claims across both traditional and social
media, the GWS Giants and Gold Coast Suns
did not receive the same concessions. The Giants
received signicantly more generous concessions
in all areas, for longer periods of time.
The Giants received larger salary cap concessions
over a longer period of time. The cap concessions
granted to the Suns were three million dollars
less than their expansion counterparts, with the
Suns concessions ending three years earlier.
The Giants received signicantly extra draft as-
sistance. Access to the mini-draft increased their
draft stock by approximately 6000 points, the
equivalent of two number-one draft picks.
The Gold Coast Suns were given more zone se-
lections. However, the quality of these zones are
dicult to quantify and compare. The GWS zone
included areas of NSW below the Barassi line.
These areas are still included in their academy
zone.
The GWS Giants and the Gold Coast Suns did
not receive the same start up concessions. Al-
though this may not account for the discrepancy
in the on-eld success of the two teams, it is still
a factually incorrect claim made far too often by
those who should know better.

 

[CarterS]

Re the GC and GWS concessions if anyone came through those years with the short end of the stick it was us!

 

[jackess]

Interesting that we are one of the clubs linked to him, at first glance we have multiple KPD options ie. Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner, Matt Eagles, Jack Payne, Sam Skinner, Jack Frost, + Connor Ballenden and Daniel McStay who can swing back and forward.

Although looking at those players only 2 of them have proven themselves over an extended time as good AFL level players. Collins is getting rave reviews and he would be a handy pickup for us IMO, I wouldn't want to be using a selection in the first 2 rounds on him though.

I think there's still a spot for a key back. Frost is clearly not rated. I don't rate Walker or Eagles at all. I am putting my hope into Payne or Skinner.

If Collins can play a McGovern type role then there's definitely a spot for him i think but he has to be able to play small because we can't have a second key back who can only play tall.