List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[NOBBYS]

If Allir move to GC he will play Ballard role .

ALLIR signed with Swans for 3 years

 

[Peel67skin]

ALLIR signed with Swans for 3 years

Yup I am the person who posted that . My argument Graham and Koenan are not ready made back up if May or Thompson go down . So need to draft/trade in a mature body KPD into the system ,because Allir signed 3 years with Sydney .

 

[Ben Drever]

I would think given the logjam for spots that we could delist him and then bring him back on the rookie list and pay him whatever we want to pay him.

Even so cant see him getting a game..
Would he want to play NEAFL all year?
Mwhats he averaging a game this year? 10?
Fallen off a cliff

 

[OB11]

Even so cant see him getting a game..
Would he want to play NEAFL all year?
Mwhats he averaging a game this year? 10?
Fallen off a cliff

Just dealing in the world where people with good sources are saying he is getting a deal to come back next year - make the best of it and at least clear spots on senior list so we can draft players for the future

 

[OB11]

Not for me been in the system 8 years had enough chances , never established a permanent spot in two lowly sides not sure he can improve our side.
Cannot see how he gets a regular spot in our best 22 !
May as well try somebody whose never had the same chances (VFL WAFL SANFL) may find a diamond.

I can't see what he adds that is worthy of a spot in a rebuilding team that due to poor contracting will have limited spots available. Maybe the club can find a role for him in some capacity and he can play NEAFL.

 

[Mini GF]

I would think given the logjam for spots that we could delist him and then bring him back on the rookie list and pay him whatever we want to pay him.

I think he’d be happy to take a minimum wage contract rather than retire. Minimum wage is nothing to be sneezed at and I get the impression he wants to settle and stay here beyond footy.

 

[17er]

I think Lonergan will get another offer from us

He just needs to keep up his current form and stay fit to get extended. Offers depth and gets through the work to allow flashier players to excel.

Graham and Scott will be bid on in the ND so that's something we must factor in. Koenen is unknown at this stage but it's entirely possible he gets bid on as well. If the AFL give us an end of first round priority pick then I doubt we'll have any issues matching bids for our academy players. Perhaps if we're really shrewd, we can package the West Coast pick and the priority pick for another top 10 pick this year. Bringing in another three top 10 picks, as well as our three academy players, would be a good outcome for us.

Koenen played more minutes at CHB for the Allies than Graham and he's been playing well in the NEAFL. I'd say by now every scout in the AFL knows precisely who Koenen is. NEAFL side only playing against AFL reserves for the rest of the NEAFL season with a shortage of tall players at the club, so we will likely see Graham and Koenen getting flogged each week in the ruck as they were on Saturday.

The List Management strategy needs to be focused on getting into the 1st round for at least 3 picks and stockpiling enough picks to be able to match bids on Scott, Graham and Koenen. Foster, Baru and Boakye roughies for the rookie list as they are top-agers and will turn 20 in 2019. It is cynical, but it is to our benefit to leave several of this year's U18s in the system and see if they can mature into AFL worthy players with an extra year in the system. Our top 3 U18s will not slide through the National or Rookie Drafts to give us the luxury of growing them in the NEAFL off the AFL List.

 

[OB11]

He just needs to keep up his current form and stay fit to get extended. Offers depth and gets through the work to allow flashier players to excel.

Koenen played more minutes at CHB for the Allies than Graham and he's been playing well in the NEAFL. I'd say by now every scout in the AFL knows precisely who Koenen is. NEAFL side only playing against AFL reserves for the rest of the NEAFL season with a shortage of tall players at the club, so we will likely see Graham and Koenen getting flogged each week in the ruck as they were on Saturday.

I'll bet you Koenen is not taken in the National Draft

 

[Peel67skin]

I'll bet you Koenen is not taken in the National Draft

I bet you Graham will not go Second Rd .

 

[OB11]

I bet you Graham will not go Second Rd .

You betting me or 17er?

I don't think he will go 2nd rd either - Crossley was Allies MVP last year and went in the 50s, Graham's work in the Champs was not of that standard.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

I bet you Graham will not go Second Rd .

But he's worth it. We are hiding him. He's a talent.

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[Peel67skin]

But he's worth it. We are hiding him. He's a talent.

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GC don't even Hide Crossley an MVP U18 and yet nobody dare to bid on him until GC drafted him at 50 . Other team need to look at their overall list and Rate accordingly , you might rate him top 30 , but other club might rate him at rookie list or pick 60+, other club will still interview Graham , just look at 2016 ND draft that go deep .

Pick 53 Jack Graham
Pick 58 Matt Deboer
Pick 60 Narkle
Pick 66 luke Ryan
Pick 67 Brad sheer
Pick 74 Harry Morrison
Last pick pick 77 father and son Jake Waterman .

Internally Supporter will always rated their players higher . Opposition club will not bid on GC academy players (koenan and graham ) if eg at second Rd or third round their need is a midfield players /mature body plug and play and not a KPP or ruckmen . Every club have their own order of top 30-50 list .

 

[Sunraysia]

Even so cant see him getting a game..
Would he want to play NEAFL all year?
Mwhats he averaging a game this year? 10?
Fallen off a cliff

With respect - surely that is up to him.
I'd imagine that Risca's well aware that his next contract (if granted) is likely to be as a NEAFL player/ mentoring role. If he's prepared to do that - then great.
He's worked his butt off for the club since he came from the Lions - he is loyal , respected and provides great leadership (remember the 2015 season when Gaz was missing..)
This year he has taken on an unfamiliar role - one that others interested in protecting their reputation wouldn't take - he has tackled it in the interests of the team with the same thorough professionalism he has shown throughout his career.
IMO Lions were total twats when they shopped him back in 2009 - had they not done so - he might still be there today - such is his club loyalty.
Our gain I say.....

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

GC don't even Hide Crossley an MVP U18 and yet nobody dare to bid on him until GC drafted him at 50 . Other team need to look at their overall list and Rate accordingly , you might rate him top 30 , but other club might rate him at rookie list or pick 60+, other club will still interview Graham , just look at 2016 ND draft that go deep .

Pick 53 Jack Graham
Pick 58 Matt Deboer
Pick 60 Narkle
Pick 66 luke Ryan
Pick 67 Brad sheer
Pick 74 Harry Morrison
Last pick pick 77 father and son Jake Waterman .

Internally Supporter will always rated their players higher . Opposition club will not bid on GC academy players (koenan and graham ) if eg at second Rd or third round their need is a midfield players /mature body plug and play and not a KPP or ruckmen . Every club have their own order of top 30-50 list .

I'm highly confident we have a player in Graham. Quote me in 3-4 years if I'm wrong.

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[17er]

I'll bet you Koenen is not taken in the National Draft

I will take that bet. Koenen has gone past Graham in many respects and both are the ideal Bont/Fyfe/Cripps height that recruiters crave. Koenen is also the oldest possible Draft age, being born on New Year's Day, so he's got over 9 months on Graham. The Allies coach preferred Koenen to Graham, while both are automatic starters in the NEAFL because they are the tallest players available apart from Leslie.

I can't see what he adds that is worthy of a spot in a rebuilding team that due to poor contracting will have limited spots available. Maybe the club can find a role for him in some capacity and he can play NEAFL.

This kind of thing should be a priority for the Suns and the AFL. Get a player who is looking to move into coaching who still has talent to offer on the field in the NEAFL. We could have had Andrew Swallow, who is one of the highest vote winners in the NEAFL. If guys like Rischitelli and Barlow ran around for a season of NEAFL and progress through their coaching qualifications they'd have an ideal pathway to post-footy careers and they are high character clubmen who's leadership and example will continue to rub off on younger players at the club. If Eddie Sansbury can play NEAFL, surely there is a role or two that can be created in order to give us effectively more list spots.

 

[Peel67skin]

I'm highly confident we have a player in Graham. Quote me in 3-4 years if I'm wrong.

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I think you misunderstand me , what I am saying is Rookie list , low draft pick might still get you good players .Jayden Short ,Llyod , holman,Ronke ,banfield ,grower,papley(Sydney academy ) all rookie pick . Just because I said he is Rookie pick does not mean he is not a good player or cannot make it . Your concept of if Graham is not pick in ND draft he cannot make it is so outdated .

 

[17er]

GC don't even Hide Crossley an MVP U18 and yet nobody dare to bid on him until GC drafted him at 50 . Other team need to look at their overall list and Rate accordingly , you might rate him top 30 , but other club might rate him at rookie list or pick 60+, other club will still interview Graham , just look at 2016 ND draft that go deep .

Pick 53 Jack Graham
Pick 58 Matt Deboer
Pick 60 Narkle
Pick 66 luke Ryan
Pick 67 Brad sheer
Pick 74 Harry Morrison
Last pick pick 77 father and son Jake Waterman .

Internally Supporter will always rated their players higher . Opposition club will not bid on GC academy players (koenan and graham ) if eg at second Rd or third round their need is a midfield players /mature body plug and play and not a KPP or ruckmen . Every club have their own order of top 30-50 list .

Scheer fell to #67 because everybody knew that bidding on him was a waste of time. Who does it serve unless a club really wants that player and bids earlier than the Suns were prepared to pay. The same thing happened with Crossley. Nobody bid because they knew their bid would be matched. This year will be different because the Suns will have picks at both the top and the bottom of the Draft and their number of list spots vacated will determine how aggressive they have to be and show opponents how many players they are going to target. If there are 8 players delisted/traded and 2 free agents brought in, then the Suns are going to want 3 first round picks and then take the Academy players as they come. 10 list spots vacated means the more flexibility for the bottom of the draft and likelihood that the Suns will hope to be able to nab some players in the Rookie Draft.

 

[THE_GUN]

GC don't even Hide Crossley an MVP U18 and yet nobody dare to bid on him until GC drafted him at 50 . Other team need to look at their overall list and Rate accordingly , you might rate him top 30 , but other club might rate him at rookie list or pick 60+, other club will still interview Graham , just look at 2016 ND draft that go deep .

Pick 53 Jack Graham
Pick 58 Matt Deboer
Pick 60 Narkle
Pick 66 luke Ryan
Pick 67 Brad sheer
Pick 74 Harry Morrison
Last pick pick 77 father and son Jake Waterman .

Internally Supporter will always rated their players higher . Opposition club will not bid on GC academy players (koenan and graham ) if eg at second Rd or third round their need is a midfield players /mature body plug and play and not a KPP or ruckmen . Every club have their own order of top 30-50 list .

Any player named Graham at #53 - You cant lose

 

[Iva Bigun]

me too and we have Ballard who will be flying in 2019

Has Ballard become what we hoped Scrimshaw was going to be? I still think Scrimshaw has a lot to offer but Ballard has been tremendous

 

[Jirik13]

Has Ballard become what we hoped Scrimshaw was going to be? I still think Scrimshaw has a lot to offer but Ballard has been tremendous

Ballard was just more ready to play. By the way as much I think giving pick 2 for Weller was stupid we got Ballard because of it!

 

[Iva Bigun]

I think Lonergan will get another offer from us

Maybe, he just hasn’t come on in my opinion. Gets caught with the ball and lacks run

 

[17er]

Any player named Graham at #53 - You cant lose

That would be Larke Medal winning Jack Graham going 3rd round. Goes to show that recruiters undervalue the U18 National Championships.

 

[17er]

Different topic. What is Aaron Hall's trade value in the Draft? Damien Barrett's execrable article today opined that he'd be worth a pick in the late 20s. I'm more inclined to think 3rd Round unless a team really likes him, which none did last year. Thoughts?

 

[kreglze]

I think late 2nd round tbh. 30-36 or so.

 

[Peel67skin]

I think Hall worth future third round pick .