List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Peel67skin]

^ that doesn't quite work
1. Willis is currently rookie listed, so jettisoning him frees a rookie spot not a senior list spot
2. Jaska is currently rookie listed, so jettisoning him frees a rookie spot not a senior list spot
3. you haven't allocated a senior list spot for Macpherson who has to move from the rookie list to the senior list.

you have 8 senior list ins, and 5 senior list outs.

If I am not mistaken Currently GC operate with 38 Senior list , 5 Rookie A and 2 Rookie B ..
With Darcy Mac upgrade GC will have 39 Senior list and 4 Rookie A .

 

[Cochblocked]

This season we had only 38 senior players plus 7 rookies with Holman and Macpherson up graded this fills in those two senior spots.
With Lynch Hall Rosa Barlow all gone we need to delist at least a couple of more senior players OR the AFL allow us to extend our list.
We currently to my knowledge have 5 players out of contract.
Thompson
Harbrow
Lonergan
KK
Leslie
Unless the league allows us extra list spots I would say 2 of these players will be moved on.
Would expect Thompson and Harbrow to be retained .
Any deals for Hall I reckon would involve future draft pick.

Thompson re-signed til 2019. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ns-until-the-end-of-2019-20161111-gsn1kq.html

 

[NOBBYS]

Thompson re-signed til 2019. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ns-until-the-end-of-2019-20161111-gsn1kq.html

Thanks for that , wasn't sure

 

[DrAshy]

CARLTON AND GOLD COAST SET TO BE GIVEN PRIORITY ACCESS TO STATE LEVEL TALENT: MCCLURE
BY SEN AN HOUR AGO

SEN Time On host Sam McClure has revealed that Carlton and Gold Coast look set to be given priority access to two state players each at this year’s draft.

On top of that, both clubs will also receive an extra pick that could potentially carry the condition that they have to trade it to another club.



With the AFL working hard to grant this proposal, McClure says the Blues and the Suns are now both unlikely to be given an early first round priority pick.

START OF FIRST ROUND PRIORITY PICKS NOT OFF THE TABLE YET SAYS HOCKING

“The priority pick as we know it, in the AFL, is dying. In fact it’s nearly dead,” McClure told SEN’s Time On.

“In anticipation of Carlton, Gold Coast and potentially St Kilda applying for a priority pick, I can tell you tonight it is looking increasingly unlikely that a start of the first round pick will be handed out to struggling clubs - i.e., a pick in the top five.

“But instead, the AFL is furiously working on a multi-prong proposal whereby special assistance will be granted with more than simply a priority pick.

“As we sit here tonight, the AFL, in my eyes, looks set to hand Carlton and Gold Coast a deal that would see them have priority access to two state league players each at the end of this year and on top of that, an extra pick that may carry the condition of that club having to trade it.

“These conversations are being had inside AFL House at the moment and the momentum builds for the AFL to come to the rescue of the white flags waving at Carlton and the Gold Coast Suns.”

 

[kreglze]

I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[Cochblocked]

CARLTON AND GOLD COAST SET TO BE GIVEN PRIORITY ACCESS TO STATE LEVEL TALENT: MCCLURE
BY SEN AN HOUR AGO

SEN Time On host Sam McClure has revealed that Carlton and Gold Coast look set to be given priority access to two state players each at this year’s draft.

On top of that, both clubs will also receive an extra pick that could potentially carry the condition that they have to trade it to another club.



With the AFL working hard to grant this proposal, McClure says the Blues and the Suns are now both unlikely to be given an early first round priority pick.

START OF FIRST ROUND PRIORITY PICKS NOT OFF THE TABLE YET SAYS HOCKING

“The priority pick as we know it, in the AFL, is dying. In fact it’s nearly dead,” McClure told SEN’s Time On.

“In anticipation of Carlton, Gold Coast and potentially St Kilda applying for a priority pick, I can tell you tonight it is looking increasingly unlikely that a start of the first round pick will be handed out to struggling clubs - i.e., a pick in the top five.

“But instead, the AFL is furiously working on a multi-prong proposal whereby special assistance will be granted with more than simply a priority pick.

“As we sit here tonight, the AFL, in my eyes, looks set to hand Carlton and Gold Coast a deal that would see them have priority access to two state league players each at the end of this year and on top of that, an extra pick that may carry the condition of that club having to trade it.

“These conversations are being had inside AFL House at the moment and the momentum builds for the AFL to come to the rescue of the white flags waving at Carlton and the Gold Coast Suns.”

We’ll probably trade that pick for a future pick or something

 

[Iva Bigun]

CARLTON AND GOLD COAST SET TO BE GIVEN PRIORITY ACCESS TO STATE LEVEL TALENT: MCCLURE
BY SEN AN HOUR AGO

SEN Time On host Sam McClure has revealed that Carlton and Gold Coast look set to be given priority access to two state players each at this year’s draft.

On top of that, both clubs will also receive an extra pick that could potentially carry the condition that they have to trade it to another club.



With the AFL working hard to grant this proposal, McClure says the Blues and the Suns are now both unlikely to be given an early first round priority pick.

START OF FIRST ROUND PRIORITY PICKS NOT OFF THE TABLE YET SAYS HOCKING

“The priority pick as we know it, in the AFL, is dying. In fact it’s nearly dead,” McClure told SEN’s Time On.

“In anticipation of Carlton, Gold Coast and potentially St Kilda applying for a priority pick, I can tell you tonight it is looking increasingly unlikely that a start of the first round pick will be handed out to struggling clubs - i.e., a pick in the top five.

“But instead, the AFL is furiously working on a multi-prong proposal whereby special assistance will be granted with more than simply a priority pick.

“As we sit here tonight, the AFL, in my eyes, looks set to hand Carlton and Gold Coast a deal that would see them have priority access to two state league players each at the end of this year and on top of that, an extra pick that may carry the condition of that club having to trade it.

“These conversations are being had inside AFL House at the moment and the momentum builds for the AFL to come to the rescue of the white flags waving at Carlton and the Gold Coast Suns.”

Perhaps we can give another Saad type a go........nah

 

[GcSunsfan]

Jon Ralph said on AFL Today that Brisbane and St Kilda will also be applying for assistance.

 

[GcSunsfan]

Struggling AFL clubs may get access to players from state leagues
22 August 2018 — 6:01pm


By Sam McClure & Jake Niall


First access to mature-aged recruits from state leagues, or a conditional priority pick that must be traded, are scenarios being discussed at AFL House to help Gold Coast, Carlton and potentially even St Kilda.

Carlton, Gold Coast and St Kilda are likely to apply for “special assistance” under rule 19 early next month, but a priority pick in its purest form might not be given by the AFL Commission.

Struggling AFL clubs are in need of help.

Photo: AAP
The AFL executive is expected to recommend that the struggling clubs - which may or may not include St Kilda - be granted first access to state league players, so that the likes of Geelong sensation Tim Kelly end up at bottom clubs rather than premiership contenders. Under this proposal, which is considered likely, the bottom teams would be able to sign two players each from the state leagues.

In what would probably be a separate hand-out, the AFL executive is considering recommending priority picks to Carlton and the Suns, with consideration given to mid-first-round choices - likely to be picks 12 and 13 - after each non-finalist has had a selection. AFL football chief Steve Hocking said on the weekend the AFL had not ruled out the contentious early priority picks, which would potentially give the Blues and Suns the first five picks in the national draft (including a pick for Tom Lynch), though this appears less likely than later choices.

But the AFL also is contemplating whether these priority picks must be traded for mature players - a move that would require that the clubs have room in their salary cap.

A number of state league players will be considered if the AFL approves special access to the state league talent. Former Fremantle defender and Werribee star Sam Collins is one player who would immediately be considered in these circumstances, as would his teammate Josh Corbett, Williamstown’s 2016 Liston Trophy winner Michael Gibbons, Essendon VFL’s Nick Hind, Collingwood VFL defender Marty Hore and Sturt forward Shane McAdam.

Rule 19 of the AFL handbook states that at the end of each home-and-away season, “the commission may determine in its absolute discretion that a club is entitled to one or more priority selections at the next occurring national draft selection meeting.”

There is a belief inside AFL House that Carlton and Gold Coast have had significant access to elite young talent, without improving quickly enough.

Indeed, the Blues have 20 first-round draft picks on their list, and boast quality youngsters such as Charlie Curnow, Paddy Dow, Harry McKay and Caleb Marchbank.

It was also only two years ago that Gold Coast had four selections inside the top 10 of the 2016 draft, while young guns like Jaeger O’Meara, Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy have left for stronger Victorian teams.

The reason for the AFL’s rethink on priority picks - and for the state league access option - is multi-faceted.

First, it assists struggling young teams in the short term, rather than simply handing them another elite teenager.

Second, it placates the other clubs in the competition by limiting any compromise to the draft. There is more acceptance from rival clubs of the Suns' structural issues as a northern club in a small market than of Carlton's position, which is seen as more self-inflicted.

St Kilda remain the intriguing club when it comes to “special assistance”. Although the Saints won 11 games in 2017 and missed out on finals football by just one game, senior figures at the AFL believe St Kilda’s list is worse than Carlton's.

And given the disastrous year that Alan Richardson’s side has had, it would be remiss of the Saints to not at least inquire.

Clubs also believe the process of seeking special assistance from the AFL needs clarifying.

While nothing in the rules state that a club must put out their hand, it’s widely accepted at both AFL and club level that clubs must apply, rather than be given, extra help.

Decisions will be made in commission meeting of grand final week.

 

[THE_GUN]

It was always going to be after 1st round PP imo but with the 2 players from state league's i think that has not gone far enough

* Should be extra list spots for the state players
* Should be outside the cap
* Shouldn't be just state league player but also delisted players

 

[eppo67]

Agreed, i much more excited about seeing our kids next year then any player that we could pick up during trade period.
Bowes, Ainsworth, brodie and scrim all coming into their 3rd year (breakout year) and another season with Ballard and crossley.
Will be an interesting forward line and if no injuries it should be a 2 tall structure with day and wright.

I think Crossley might overtake Day fairly quickly

 

[gcsunsfc]

Knightmare the 'draft guru' reckons we will take Max King with one of our picks

 

[Stroppy]

Unless we are given extra list spots for the 2 State League players, I don't see the massive value atm.

A young list like ours will have a bunch of young blokes, some of whom we love and some that we are not sure about, and very few older players to move on from. List spots are at a premium until we work out which under 23 players can play and who can't (and also while we give out contracts to unskilled good blokes).

We needed this 2 years ago not now, seeing how we have gone through the growing pains already.

For example, we should have 11 players next year who we picked up 2 and 3 years ago. All will be turning 21 to 23 next year.

TheScrim
Scheer
Brodie
Benny
Bowes
Darcy Mac
Ah Chee
Spencer
Fiorini
Joyce
Schoenfeld

If we get 2 extra list spots then all good. Otherwise, a bit late.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Unless we are given extra list spots for the 2 State League players, I don't see the massive value atm.

A young list like ours will have a bunch of young blokes, some of whom we love and some that we are not sure about, and very few older players to move on from. List spots are at a premium until we work out which under 23 players can play and who can't (and also while we give out contracts to unskilled good blokes).

We needed this 2 years ago not now, seeing how we have gone through the growing pains already.

For example, we should have 11 players next year who we picked up 2 and 3 years ago. All will be turning 21 to 23 next year.

TheScrim
Scheer
Brodie
Benny
Bowes
Darcy Mac
Ah Chee
Spencer
Fiorini
Joyce
Schoenfeld

If we get 2 extra list spots then all good. Otherwise, a bit late.

Totaling agree, I just hope a few more from your list come on because at the moment to me the only players looking like A graders are Bowes and maybe Fiorini, let’s hope for a big uplift next year from Benny, Brodie, Sheer and Spencer. I have big doubts currently about Scho, AhChee and Scrim.

 

[SnusCG]

Totaling agree, I just hope a few more from your list come on because at the moment to me the only players looking like A graders are Bowes and maybe Fiorini, let’s hope for a big uplift next year from Benny, Brodie, Sheer and Spencer. I have big doubts currently about Scho, AhChee and Scrim.

Think Brodie and Ainsworth look like they'll be A graders. Won't be judging scrim until he gets a genuine crack at a senior spot. Would love to see him get a gig at half forward rather than half back.

 

[Stroppy]

Think Brodie and Ainsworth look like they'll be A graders. Won't be judging scrim until he gets a genuine crack at a senior spot. Would love to see him get a gig at half forward rather than half back.

That is the point about the extra list spots.
Most young players come with question marks that take some time to answer. If the talent is there, need to wait for a few years to sort it out. The Scrim is a classic example.

For a young team like us that already has extra draft picks, there is actually a lot of pressure on list spots. Don't want to let a 20 or 21 year old go when you are not really sure if they will be good.

Would hope the club is lobbying hard for an extra category of mature rookie outside the senior list that is for players who have been overlooked in at least 2 drafts.

Would be a lot of value to us to grab a 22-25 year old big body from the VFL, SANFL or WAFL who can play the NEAFL with our kids and get a run if they are good enough. Holman would have been a perfect candidate for a mature rookie list. Had 2 years in the SANFL after getting delisted, passed over by all clubs. Must fit under the salary cap as a rookie, give them a year on the mature rookie list then have to decide whether they are rookie listed or senior listed or let go. Once you play finals or the salary cap is full, you lose the mature rookie list.

 

[SnusCG]

That is the point about the extra list spots.
Most young players come with question marks that take some time to answer. If the talent is there, need to wait for a few years to sort it out. The Scrim is a classic example.

For a young team like us that already has extra draft picks, there is actually a lot of pressure on list spots. Don't want to let a 20 or 21 year old go when you are not really sure if they will be good.

Would hope the club is lobbying hard for an extra category of mature rookie outside the senior list that is for players who have been overlooked in at least 2 drafts.

Would be a lot of value to us to grab a 22-25 year old big body from the VFL, SANFL or WAFL who can play the NEAFL with our kids and get a run if they are good enough. Holman would have been a perfect candidate for a mature rookie list. Had 2 years in the SANFL after getting delisted, passed over by all clubs. Must fit under the salary cap as a rookie, give them a year on the mature rookie list then have to decide whether they are rookie listed or senior listed or let go. Once you play finals or the salary cap is full, you lose the mature rookie list.

I agree that getting a few 22 - 26 year old lower league players would be perfect. Marlon Pickett and Hayden Schloithe spring to mind as AFL potential players that could be good stopgaps for a few years.

IMO one of the best things that the AFL could do would be to make a national 2nds competition. Players would get the chance to develop much quicker playing against other AFL level players, something you don't get nearly us much in the NEAFL, SANFL or WAFL. Providing clubs with the opportunity of 'Category C rookies' and open up 8 or so spots for those players. - I.e players who are on the clubs list for the second tier competition but are not eligible to play AFL at all would also give some of those elite players in the NEAFL, WAFL, SANFL and VFL the chance to get some exposure, as well as giving some continuity to our developing guys which again, the NEAFL just does not provide.

Having the young developing guys be able to travel every second week like the AFL guys also get's them used to the system and would make players less likely to get homesick if they were able to travel home every now and then for games, rather than being anchored up on the Coast all year in a team that changes rapidly from week to week.

 

[peters17]

FYI:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...r/news-story/34a3a08abf3bad985794dee897783790

 

[SnusCG]

FYI:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...r/news-story/34a3a08abf3bad985794dee897783790

Thanks

"With both Carlton and the struggling Suns" is a bit of a dick quote. Carlton is worse than us.

Still think they should make it mid first round priority pick. Setting back the top 8 sides by 2 picks isn't going to make or break them but I agree early first round picks - especially for 2 teams is very unfair on the other teams down the bottom of the ladder

 

[peters17]

Thanks

"With both Carlton and the struggling Suns" is a bit of a dick quote. Carlton is worse than us.

Still think they should make it mid first round priority pick. Setting back the top 8 sides by 2 picks isn't going to make or break them but I agree early first round picks - especially for 2 teams is very unfair on the other teams down the bottom of the ladder

Can’t put Carlton and the suns in the same boat. Carlton failed themselves. The suns have been failed by the Player movement system.

 

[SnusCG]

Can’t put Carlton and the suns in the same boat. Carlton failed themselves. The suns have been failed by the Player movement system.

It's true and the article makes a good point. How can Carlton, after publicly stating so many times that they are turning over their list and rebuilding request a high end priority pick when they've literally stated that they will be bottoming out in the name of the rebuild. they don't need more picks, they just need to develop what's already there

 

[GcSunsfan]

Knightmare the 'draft guru' reckons we will take Max King with one of our picks

Why would we waste a pick 2 or 3 on a young kid coming of an ACL that's just crazy.

The kid would probably do it again in his first game back in the slippery dewy conditions at metricon

 

[Scotty_222]

Just take Lukosius and Smith and move on I think.

 

[Bazz_27]

Out of interest guys, what do you think you will do with Lynch? Take the free agency pick or force a trade? Being a crows supporter i can empathize with the feeling of losing gun players and just having enough of letting them walk

 

[Scotty_222]

Out of interest guys, what do you think you will do with Lynch? Take the free agency pick or force a trade? Being a crows supporter i can empathize with the feeling of losing gun players and just having enough of letting them walk

We’ve tried to play hard ball, never seems to work for us.
I guess we can take the pick 3 and move on. Seems the easiest option.