List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Peel67skin]

josh corbett (ND combine ) 1.90m ( Forward ) 22 years old
https://www.standard.net.au/story/5487830/draft-him-coach-calls-for-afl-clubs-to-pick-forward/

Shane McAdam ( ND Combine ) 1.81/1.85 m ( Medium Forward ) 23 years old
https://thewest.com.au/sport/wafl/e...-shane-mcadam-starring-in-sanfl-ng-b88871341z

 

[Camsta]

Respect your opinion but I don't think it's so bad at all.

There is a lot of talent on our list. E.g. Brodie, Bowes, Fiorini, Ballard, Wright, Ainsworth showed enough to make me looking forward for next year. Our best 22 is actually pretty good.

Nobody in the press mentioned our injury list. Again arguably the worst in the competition. The question should be asked, why? Most teams would be crap with the same list and travel schedule. How did WB, Crows, Carlton go or even GWS midseason when injures bit them? The only exception was Pies with exceptional depth in midfield.

Hopefully this off season changes at performance dept, new assistant coaches, boosting welfare/development will finish the reset of the club. Normal schedule with no stupid China trip will help too. Young players will have another preseason. We had the youngest list and we do need mature players to protect young ones. You don't want them physically damaged or get belted 100+ points every week.

May has a right to take next year to decide. He will just not be the captain. It's silly in my opinion to ask players with one year left on their contract - extend now or piss off.

I actually agree - I think there’s a heap of talent in our 22 that gets drained every week under the press speculation of ablett, then lynch, now may.

It just about killed our team that after 3 wins in 5 games that lynch didn’t put pen to paper. The kids we’re expected to run out with a captain that was basically saying “you lot aren’t worth sticking around for”

I agree that players in any other club with a year on their contract wouldn’t have this kind of pressure or speculation about their future, but if he doesn’t commit before next year it’ll be another year of distraction concerning the commitment of our list.

Let’s use this chance to reshape our team under the core group of young players that want to be here and see it be a success. I’d happily watch a bunch of kids and 2nd Chance blokes lose but put in a crossley/Holman performance full of heart.

The rot won’t stop til we cut it out.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Players I hope GC can get in this trade period .

1) Jarred Roughead - as utility he can play Forward , Ruck and halfback . (2 years contract )
2) Hugh goddard - good friend with Lachie, back up KPD . (1 years contract )

I suggested him the other day as I feel he would be a really good option for you guys. Consummate professional that can set a really high standard at the club. Imagine what he could teach your young forwards for 2 -3 years, especially if Lukosius or King are the guys you want to take with your picks. Think it would be a great move for the Suns.

 

[Deleted member 2402071]

Just a very random thought, possibly too random, but I would deny May a trade (if he requests) and then play him as a key fwd next season. The guy looked so frustrated this season, you can really see the toll of trying to hold up our backline has taken on him, especially as Captain.

Play Day at CHB or trade in another reliable key defender and let May have a season up forward. Even give him a run through midfield during the game like Roughy & co occasionally do. Give him a different role to play.

It might help get his passion back for playing for the Suns.unless it’s too late of course?

Anyways, go Dees. So wanna see the Cats get smashed

 

[Morning_Fog]

I put this on the Adelaide board. What do you think?

Pick 1, 7 and 12 for pick 2 and 3?

Gold Coast receive: pick 1, pick 7 and pick 12
Gold Coast lose: Pick 2 and 3

Carlton gain: McGovern and pick 2
Carlton lose: Pick 1 and pick 12

Adelaide gain: Pick 3
Adelaide lose: McGovern and pick 7

 

[Peel67skin]

I put this on the Adelaide board. What do you think?

Pick 1, 7 and 12 for pick 2 and 3?

Gold Coast receive: pick 1, pick 7 and pick 12
Gold Coast lose: Pick 2 and 3

Carlton gain: McGovern and pick 2
Carlton lose: Pick 1 and pick 12

Adelaide gain: Pick 3
Adelaide lose: McGovern and pick 7

I don't see the benefits of trading down ?

 

[benjamin88]

I put this on the Adelaide board. What do you think?

Pick 1, 7 and 12 for pick 2 and 3?

Gold Coast receive: pick 1, pick 7 and pick 12
Gold Coast lose: Pick 2 and 3

Carlton gain: McGovern and pick 2
Carlton lose: Pick 1 and pick 12

Adelaide gain: Pick 3
Adelaide lose: McGovern and pick 7

Sounds reasonable in theory... But no way carlton will give up that much for McGovern...

 

[Morning_Fog]

I don't see the benefits of trading down ?
Carlton will need to choose between Sam Walsh Or lukosius and GC will get to choose whoever suns want at pick 2 and 3 after that .

I will be honest with you. It suits the crows needs and helps increase our chances to draft Rankine or Lukosius.

However, if you are going after any senior players to help your younger playewrs you could always bundle 7 and 12. Or you can get 3 very nice players for the price of 2.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Sounds reasonable in theory... But no way carlton will give up that much for McGovern...

They are going to have to do something very creative to get a deal done because they are not going to get him on the cheap. They won’t get him for something like pick 20, like they hope.

 

[SnusCG]

I put this on the Adelaide board. What do you think?

Pick 1, 7 and 12 for pick 2 and 3?

Gold Coast receive: pick 1, pick 7 and pick 12
Gold Coast lose: Pick 2 and 3

Carlton gain: McGovern and pick 2
Carlton lose: Pick 1 and pick 12

Adelaide gain: Pick 3
Adelaide lose: McGovern and pick 7

There is absolutely no need for us to be involved in that trade. Would rather just take picks 2 + 3 to the draft tbh.

 

[Morning_Fog]

There is absolutely no need for us to be involved in that trade. Would rather just take picks 2 + 3 to the draft tbh.

Keep in mind, you have recruited one of our assistants coaches. This might just be about keeping both clubs happy.

But you are correct, the Gold Coast don’t have to get involved with this at all.

 

[GcSunsfan]

Keep in mind, you have recruited one of our assistants coaches. This might just be about keeping both clubs happy.

But you are correct, the Gold Coast don’t have to get involved with this at all.

are you saying the crows are trying to manipulate the draft ?

 

[Peel67skin]

I will be honest with you. It suits the crows needs and helps increase our chances to draft Rankine or Lukosius.

However, if you are going after any senior players to help your younger playewrs you could always bundle 7 and 12. Or you can get 3 very nice players for the price of 2.

If GC want senior players GC can Use Eagles first round pick , and Essendon Second Rd pick . There is just no connection at all in getting senior players in your scenario given .

 

[gcsunsfc]

I put this on the Adelaide board. What do you think?

Pick 1, 7 and 12 for pick 2 and 3?

Gold Coast receive: pick 1, pick 7 and pick 12
Gold Coast lose: Pick 2 and 3

Carlton gain: McGovern and pick 2
Carlton lose: Pick 1 and pick 12

Adelaide gain: Pick 3
Adelaide lose: McGovern and pick 7

Wonder if gc would take Walsh if we had number 1.
Not sure whether we might take lukosius anyway

 

[nutstar]

Keep in mind, you have recruited one of our assistants coaches. This might just be about keeping both clubs happy.

But you are correct, the Gold Coast don’t have to get involved with this at all.

Two of your assistants if the crows would sign off on Francou's release.

 

[Morning_Fog]

are you saying the crows are trying to manipulate the draft ?

No, not at all. Unlike some clubs who enjoy an injection or three they work with each other to make sure deals can happen.

 

[17er]

No, not at all. Unlike some clubs who enjoy an injection or three they work with each other to make sure deals can happen.

There are some very talented players from SA in this Draft. Forget about Rankine and Lukosius because they will more than likely be Suns in a couple of months, but those are just the sexy picks. Why wouldn't you use you player capital and draft picks to try to beat Port to pick up at least 2 of Valente, Rozee, Hately and McLennan? The scenarios you're putting up to get Lukosius all mean missing on getting those others. Do you rate the SA 6 as highly as Cal Twomey does in his Mock Draft?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I will be honest with you. It suits the crows needs and helps increase our chances to draft Rankine or Lukosius.

However, if you are going after any senior players to help your younger playewrs you could always bundle 7 and 12. Or you can get 3 very nice players for the price of 2.

You guys don't need to do anything to draft Lukosius and Rankine. 2 and 3 gets you those guys if that's who you want. The only player off the table to you guys is Sam Walsh who we (Carlton) are almost certain to take.

EFA @Morning-Fog, didn't realise you were an Adelaide poster hahaha. That's was for the GCS people.

 

[THE_GUN]

Good chance the suns end up with
Lukosius , Rankine , Scott + 2 more great kids . Combined with the talent already on the list it wont take long to turn this club around and be playing finals

 

[SnusCG]

Good chance the suns end up with
Lukosius , Rankine , Scott + 2 more great kids . Combined with the talent already on the list it wont take long to turn this club around and be playing finals

Agreed. Really is just about keeping them here though.

As much as we dislike Clayton for the way he handled our list, a full team of

Harbrow - May - Saad
Weller - Thompson - Hanley
Hall - Prestia - Bennell
Wright - Lynch - Caddy
Ainsworth - Dixon - Martin

Witts - Ablett - O'Meara

Swallow, Fiorini, Day, Bowes

Would have been hard to beat. Disappointing it never eventuated but if we can keep our current list together it is looking up

 

[17er]

Good chance the suns end up with
Lukosius , Rankine , Scott + 2 more great kids . Combined with the talent already on the list it wont take long to turn this club around and be playing finals

If the Suns only trade/delist one more player then your prediction is accurate because then there would be 5 senior list spots to fill. Many expect there to be more than that though perhaps 4 or 5 players to be traded or cut from the Senior list. As it stands the Suns nominally have picks #2 Lukosius, #3 Rankine, late 1st Round ?, 1st round Priority pick/s, #26, #29, #38, #41, #74, which is 9 picks and only 4 senior spots currently available. Players who don't fit Dew's game plan, such as Aaron Hall, will be traded for future picks or possibly players. I anticipate the Suns to bundle picks to trade up in order to draft the very best talent available and trade unused picks will be traded for future picks. With Rischitelli already delisted and promised to be re-rookied, the chances of others being delisted and re-rookied must be considered.

There would also be the opportunity to add 4 players to the Rookie List with up to 3 mature agers, or if our 2 current Academy rookies are upgraded to Category A there could be up to 3 players chosen from the Suns Talent Academy as Category B Rookies. Depending on whether they are bid on and matched, Koenen and Graham could fall to the Rookie Draft, but I think that's unlikely.

The AFL may yet award the Suns first choice among mature aged talent, although how that will work and whether Carlton and others will also get the concession is unclear. If such players are able to be put on Rookie lists, then spots would be available, but my preference would be for extra list spots.

 

[THE_GUN]

If the Suns only trade/delist one more player then your prediction is accurate because then there would be 5 senior list spots to fill. Many expect there to be more than that though perhaps 4 or 5 players to be traded or cut from the Senior list. As it stands the Suns nominally have picks #2 Lukosius, #3 Rankine, late 1st Round ?, 1st round Priority pick/s, #26, #29, #38, #41, #74, which is 9 picks and only 4 senior spots currently available. Players who don't fit Dew's game plan, such as Aaron Hall, will be traded for future picks or possibly players. I anticipate the Suns to bundle picks to trade up in order to draft the very best talent available and trade unused picks will be traded for future picks. With Rischitelli already delisted and promised to be re-rookied, the chances of others being delisted and re-rookied must be considered.

There would also be the opportunity to add 4 players to the Rookie List with up to 3 mature agers, or if our 2 current Academy rookies are upgraded to Category A there could be up to 3 players chosen from the Suns Talent Academy as Category B Rookies. Depending on whether they are bid on and matched, Koenen and Graham could fall to the Rookie Draft, but I think that's unlikely.

The AFL may yet award the Suns first choice among mature aged talent, although how that will work and whether Carlton and others will also get the concession is unclear. If such players are able to be put on Rookie lists, then spots would be available, but my preference would be for extra list spots.

Wouldnt surprise me if the suns bundle #26 +#29 for a lower pick like #17-#20 if they only intend to take 5 players

 

[OB11]

Just a very random thought, possibly too random, but I would deny May a trade (if he requests) and then play him as a key fwd next season. The guy looked so frustrated this season, you can really see the toll of trying to hold up our backline has taken on him, especially as Captain.

Play Day at CHB or trade in another reliable key defender and let May have a season up forward. Even give him a run through midfield during the game like Roughy & co occasionally do. Give him a different role to play.

It might help get his passion back for playing for the Suns.unless it’s too late of course?

Anyways, go Dees. So wanna see the Cats get smashed

Totally agree - you can't trade him when you can guarantee a better return as a FA next year and we are in desperate need of senior players in 2019.

Try to keep him engaged by getting him out of the backline and start preparing others for those roles as you say above.

If he doesn't recommit then he can't be captain of the club, and I'm 50/50 on whether you even have him in the leadership group - don't worry about hurting his ego as they need to do what's right by the club

Edit: would it be better if we kept him for 2019 and he said he was leaving at the start of the year as opposed to having constant speculation throughout the year - a bit like the NRL

 

[Jirik13]

I hope Bailey Scott watched Cats yesterday.

 

[Sunny_]

I hope Bailey Scott watched Cats yesterday.

And not when they played us 2 weeks ago.