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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

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I think the GF sprint is just a joke to be honest we have seen players like Fevola run in these races

I have seen May do extremely well against players body on body but usually gets outpaced with leading fowards with pace but in saying that Tom Lynch is also pretty slow
You're kidding aren't you? May has elite closing speed. It's one of his best assets. Commentators who watch him play frequently bring it up. Can't recall Lever taking the gorillas too often, he often struggles when he actually has an opponent and isn't allowed to roam and take intercept marks as a third tall. May the better player by a considerable margin. The only upside Lever has over May is his age.
 
You're kidding aren't you? May has elite closing speed. It's one of his best assets. Commentators who watch him play frequently bring it up. Can't recall Lever taking the gorillas too often, he often struggles when he actually has an opponent and isn't allowed to roam and take intercept marks as a third tall. May the better player by a considerable margin. The only upside Lever has over May is his age.
May had reach his Ceilling, lever still got a bit to go .
 

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Lever also has to overcome a serious injury and has played in much better sides than May has. Would be interesting to see how Lever would go in our backline.
I thought Ballard is the experimental prototype , since GC can't really get Lever to actually know how he would go in Sun backline .
 
I thought Ballard is the experimental prototype , since GC can't really get Lever to actually know how he would go in Sun backline .
I can see Ballard developing nicely into that role. Has already shown great courage and a decent mark. Hoping he continues to develop and put on some muscle, get fitter this offseason.
 
I think the GF sprint is just a joke to be honest we have seen players like Fevola run in these races

I have seen May do extremely well against players body on body but usually gets outpaced with leading fowards with pace but in saying that Tom Lynch is also pretty slow
Fev was pretty god damn quick. His first burst of pace was damn elite
 
Agree

Gold Coast v Adelaide

Im taking Gold Coast to live every day of the week
I was listening to an interview with Ballard (SA boy) and he said,
"l hope my parents aren't listening but I don't miss home at all l love it up here."
The interview was on SA Radio as well.
 
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I can see Ballard developing nicely into that role. Has already shown great courage and a decent mark. Hoping he continues to develop and put on some muscle, get fitter this offseason.
Ballard used to shut down Jack Lukosius for shits and giggles in junior footy. Koenen had a go on Lukosius in the National Championships and JL was shifted onto a wing. These kids all know each other and are mates.
I was listening to an interview with Ballard (SA boy) and he said,
"l hope my parents aren't listening but I don't miss home at all l love it up here."
The interview was on SA Radio as well.
Give him the captaincy and all of Uncle Tom's ambassador money.
 
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If Lukosius went #1 I would go Walsh & Smith
If Walsh goes #1 I would go Lukosius & Rankine
I think Smith could still be available at #5 or #6. Freo are prime candidates to move out of #5 because they've had 3 retirements and they only have 2 Draft picks at #5 and #77. Freo's pick is worth 1878 points and the Suns have around 3300 points to trade after picks #2 and #3, which doesn't include a priority pick or picks that might be traded to the Suns.

Walsh is going to Carlton, which is a scary prospect given that he and Cripps will be running around with Murphy (who Walsh will replace eventually), Petrevski-Seton (who a lot of Suns fans wanted), Dow (who some Suns fans wanted instead of Weller and Ballard) and Kennedy, all 1st round Draft picks and shaping into a competitive unit. Carlton do not need another tall forward. They have 6 players over 200cm, a further 6 players in Lukosius's height range and 20 players overall who are over 190cm. They just do not need another tall forward competing with Curnow, McKay, Marchbank, Weitering, Silvagni, Casboult and Kreuzer for 3 tall forward spots. In fact, they are likely to offload some of those guys and try some down back because they just have too much Key forward talent.

So, if Walsh, Lukosius and Rankine go 1, 2, 3, who do the Saints like at pick #4? True, they would love Smith given he's a Sandringham product and fits their needs, but the King twins are also locals and Max has been doing his rehab at the Saints. St Kilda have 3 forwards over 190cm on their entire list and none are over 200cm. I think the only decision they have to make is which twin, the one who is carrying an ACL or the one who has only recently stepped into the forward line?

If the Suns went up to get Freo's #5 pick, which will actually be #6 if the Suns take #3 for Lynch, Smith would possibly still be on the board. The question then would be what the Suns need with that pick.

IF 1. Walsh to Blues 2. Lukosius to Suns 3. Rankine to Suns 4. M. King to Saints THEN who do the Lions fancy at #5? Does Smith fall to #6?

IF 1. Lukosius to Blues 2. Walsh to Suns 3. Rankine to Suns 4. M.King to Saints THEN the Suns have to get the remaining King, even if Smith is still on the board.

I realise you are saying that Smith and Walsh is a better choice than Rankine and Walsh, but I don't see it. Rankine could even go #1, although the Blues are super deep at small forward.

The final question - yes, there are a lot of assumptions, but this is just speculation - what if the Lions bid for Nick Blakey? The Swans have 2485 Draft points and to match the Lions bid at #6 they'd only be left with #34 a mid 3rd round pick with the spare change of matching the bid and a 4th rounder. Maybe they improve their draft position through the trade period, but as it stands they will have to give up quite a lot for Blakey and the Lions would be confident that their mark would be ok with being poached given their involvement with the kid.
 
I think Smith could still be available at #5 or #6. Freo are prime candidates to move out of #5 because they've had 3 retirements and they only have 2 Draft picks at #5 and #77. Freo's pick is worth 1878 points and the Suns have around 3300 points to trade after picks #2 and #3, which doesn't include a priority pick or picks that might be traded to the Suns.

Walsh is going to Carlton, which is a scary prospect given that he and Cripps will be running around with Murphy (who Walsh will replace eventually), Petrevski-Seton (who a lot of Suns fans wanted), Dow (who some Suns fans wanted instead of Weller and Ballard) and Kennedy, all 1st round Draft picks and shaping into a competitive unit. Carlton do not need another tall forward. They have 6 players over 200cm, a further 6 players in Lukosius's height range and 20 players overall who are over 190cm. They just do not need another tall forward competing with Curnow, McKay, Marchbank, Weitering, Silvagni, Casboult and Kreuzer for 3 tall forward spots. In fact, they are likely to offload some of those guys and try some down back because they just have too much Key forward talent.

So, if Walsh, Lukosius and Rankine go 1, 2, 3, who do the Saints like at pick #4? True, they would love Smith given he's a Sandringham product and fits their needs, but the King twins are also locals and Max has been doing his rehab at the Saints. St Kilda have 3 forwards over 190cm on their entire list and none are over 200cm. I think the only decision they have to make is which twin, the one who is carrying an ACL or the one who has only recently stepped into the forward line?

If the Suns went up to get Freo's #5 pick, which will actually be #6 if the Suns take #3 for Lynch, Smith would possibly still be on the board. The question then would be what the Suns need with that pick.

IF 1. Walsh to Blues 2. Lukosius to Suns 3. Rankine to Suns 4. M. King to Saints THEN who do the Lions fancy at #5? Does Smith fall to #6?

IF 1. Lukosius to Blues 2. Walsh to Suns 3. Rankine to Suns 4. M.King to Saints THEN the Suns have to get the remaining King, even if Smith is still on the board.

I realise you are saying that Smith and Walsh is a better choice than Rankine and Walsh, but I don't see it. Rankine could even go #1, although the Blues are super deep at small forward.

The final question - yes, there are a lot of assumptions, but this is just speculation - what if the Lions bid for Nick Blakey? The Swans have 2485 Draft points and to match the Lions bid at #6 they'd only be left with #34 a mid 3rd round pick with the spare change of matching the bid and a 4th rounder. Maybe they improve their draft position through the trade period, but as it stands they will have to give up quite a lot for Blakey and the Lions would be confident that their mark would be ok with being poached given their involvement with the kid.
Sydney Currently have pick 12 ,32,34 .
Assumption - GC take pick 3 combo
Brisbane Bid on Blakey at pick 5
Pick 5= 1878
-20 % =1502.4
Pick 12 = 1268
Pick 32 = 584
Pick 12+ 32= 1852
1852-1502=350
Pick 45 = 347
New rule came in 2016 that you need to match with the next pick and not multiple low end pick .

Sydney
Will end up with Blakey , pick 34 and pick 45 .
Not that bad at all .
 
I think Smith could still be available at #5 or #6. Freo are prime candidates to move out of #5 because they've had 3 retirements and they only have 2 Draft picks at #5 and #77. Freo's pick is worth 1878 points and the Suns have around 3300 points to trade after picks #2 and #3, which doesn't include a priority pick or picks that might be traded to the Suns.
Think Fremantle probably prioritise a FWD so long as Neale stays at the club. Could see Rankine or one of the King's ending up there.
If they lose Neale they probably go for Smith at 4 with Brisbane's pick.
 

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Think Fremantle probably prioritise a FWD so long as Neale stays at the club. Could see Rankine or one of the King's ending up there.
If they lose Neale they probably go for Smith at 4 with Brisbane's pick.
St Kilda could pick up Rankine also .
 
Sydney Currently have pick 12 ,32,34 .
Assumption - GC take pick 3 combo
Brisbane Bid on Blakey at pick 5
Pick 5= 1878
-20 % =1502.4
Pick 12 = 1268
Pick 32 = 584
Pick 12+ 32= 1852
1852-1502=350
Pick 45 = 347
New rule came in 2016 that you need to match with the next pick and not multiple low end pick .

Sydney
Will end up with Blakey , pick 34 and pick 45 .
Not that bad at all .
Sydney lost last night, so they have picks #12 and #30.

Also, there is a chance that the AFL awards priority picks at the top of the Draft or after 10th spot mid-round.

Imagine if the Swans pick blew out to #14 and their 2nd round picks dropped 4 or 5 places due to compensation and priority picks!

Probably a waste of time as Swans now likely to hit the trade period with some fringe players so they can load up at the draft where they only have one high Academy prospect, which of course is Blakey. The Swans and Giants do like to pinch each other's Academy players and the Giants have 2 awesome prospects in Briggs (ruckman, this year's Crossley for the Allies) and J.Koschitzke 2.0, who was the Allies best defender ahead of Koenen and Graham. Would love for either to get picked up by the Suns, but the Giants probably have both covered as neither will go Top 10 and they both probably go 2nd round where GWS will snap them up easily even if they get bids (GWS is so good at getting their own Academy players cheaply).
 
I don't see SA recruits as a flight risk
In fact quite the opposite
How may players request trades to SA?
There's rarely been good SA players in the last few years.

The Crows have grabbed a few - Thompson, Jacobs, Gibbs, and a few who ultimately ended up being spuds, like Menzel. Port have also grabbed a few, like Ebert and Polec.
 

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Think Fremantle probably prioritise a FWD so long as Neale stays at the club. Could see Rankine or one of the King's ending up there.
If they lose Neale they probably go for Smith at 4 with Brisbane's pick.
At this stage, the draft order is:
#1 Blues
#2 Suns
#3 Suns (Lynch compo - I oppose folding on Lynch, but can't see better offers than this compensation)
#4 Saints
#5 Lions
#6 Dockers
#7 Bulldogs
#8 Crows
#9 Bombers
#10 Power
#11 Kangaroos
#12 Cats
#13 Swans
#14 Lowest ranked semi-final loser
#15 Highest ranked semi-final loser
#16 Lowest ranked prelim loser
#17 Highest ranked prelim loser*
#18 Runners-up*
#19 Premiers*

* Suns pick depending where West Coast finish up.

Will there be top of 1st Round Priority picks? Mid-round? End of round? Or just the priority access to Mature Agers?
Personally, I believe that based on the publicly available criteria for priority picks, the Suns have a very, very strong case for a priority pick to be awarded at the top of the Draft, whereas Carlton trails the Suns in every criteria except for wins in 2018 and the Saints finished 9th two years in a row before this year's low finish, while the Lions have received priority picks too recently.

Which other clubs will get compo picks? Luke Dahlhaus looks like he's going to the Cats, so do the Bulldogs get an end of 1st round compo pick?

If the Dockers land Brisbane's pick #5 do they keep pick #6 or trade out of there anyway? Are the Dockers shopping any other players?
 
Watching sanfl now.. I'd take Rozee a little later in the piece. Especially if there's a conscious effort to keep the sa boys together.
Cal Twomey has Rozee going at pick #8 which is incidentally where the Crows pick. Twomey's phantom draft was a month ago and the Crows could have finished anywhere given they were still in contention at the time. Do you agree with that estimation? Port pick at #10 while the Crows are suffering as badly as the Suns with their own version of the future first round pick trade nightmare because the Demons (and Eagles) are still alive in the Finals. If Rozee goes to the Crows, will Port take Hately at #10? Do you see either player going earlier than 8th? Would either trade up just to get an SA kid? What about McLennan and Valente?
 
Watching sanfl now.. I'd take Rozee a little later in the piece. Especially if there's a conscious effort to keep the sa boys together.
Bulldog very Keen on Rozee , if Bailey Smith and Rankine not available .
 
Cal Twomey has Rozee going at pick #8 which is incidentally where the Crows pick. Twomey's phantom draft was a month ago and the Crows could have finished anywhere given they were still in contention at the time. Do you agree with that estimation? Port pick at #10 while the Crows are suffering as badly as the Suns with their own version of the future first round pick trade nightmare because the Demons (and Eagles) are still alive in the Finals. If Rozee goes to the Crows, will Port take Hately at #10? Do you see either player going earlier than 8th? Would either trade up just to get an SA kid? What about McLennan and Valente?
Crows in particular will try trade up to get the local boys. They a froffing for Lukosius and Rankine. I think it's safe to say Lukosius won't happen for them. But they haven't given up hope of trading up for Rankine. Word here is there may be a few more following McGovern out the door so that may be their way of trading up and still potentially getting Rozee with their current pick.
 
If the Dockers land Brisbane's pick #5 do they keep pick #6 or trade out of there anyway? Are the Dockers shopping any other players?
Makes sense for Fremantle to push for pick 1 from Carlton if Brisbane do sign Neale due to KPF still being their biggest issue.

Fremanle
IN: Pick 1
OUT: Lachie Neale, Future second

Brisbane
IN: Lachie Neale
OUT: Pick 4, Pick 22

Carlton
IN: Pick 4, Mitch McGovern
OUT: Pick 1

Adelaide
IN: Pick 22, Future Second (Fre)
OUT: Mitch McGovern

Adelaide if they were desperate for rankine could then offer

7, 12, 22 for pick 3 and 21 from the saints.
 
Sydney lost last night, so they have picks #12 and #30.

Also, there is a chance that the AFL awards priority picks at the top of the Draft or after 10th spot mid-round.

Imagine if the Swans pick blew out to #14 and their 2nd round picks dropped 4 or 5 places due to compensation and priority picks!

Probably a waste of time as Swans now likely to hit the trade period with some fringe players so they can load up at the draft where they only have one high Academy prospect, which of course is Blakey. The Swans and Giants do like to pinch each other's Academy players and the Giants have 2 awesome prospects in Briggs (ruckman, this year's Crossley for the Allies) and J.Koschitzke 2.0, who was the Allies best defender ahead of Koenen and Graham. Would love for either to get picked up by the Suns, but the Giants probably have both covered as neither will go Top 10 and they both probably go 2nd round where GWS will snap them up easily even if they get bids (GWS is so good at getting their own Academy players cheaply).
If you look at Canberra demon team majority of them are make up of former Sydney or GWS academy players , Sydney and GWS only pick up academy players that suite their need and willing to let them go undrafted if they think they can't fit into their list .
 
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