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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

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Supersuns said:
I like rozee but I’m worried he isn’t enough of a contested ball winner to be a star at the next level. Projects as a flanker who may or may not become a mid.We need sure things not maybes
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IYO who will be sure thing ?
 

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Sunraysia said:
Like your thinking - would be good to get 3 from SA - the best U18's performers this year.
Evans stated that the Suns are aiming for 5 draftees inside 30. Not sure that will be the case. You have a good mix here - and if 5 draftees are the go then the 5 you named are good . ( Scott will go higher, Koenen is about right - Graham now less likely to go in the draft - IMO.)
These selections give options aplenty :
4 Forwards (Lukosius, Rankine, Scott, Rozee).
3 Mids - Rozee, Scott, Lukosius
1 Key back - Konenen
2 Talls
2 Locals
A versatile group - that meets with Dews aim for players that can play several positions while also advancing Academy talent and number of Queenlanders on the list.
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The thing with Graham is that he might get a late bid from an opponent and I think we owe it to the kid to match it. If he goes undrafted, we take him the next day. To make space we delist a player with the intention of getting them again in the Rookie Draft.
As you know, Scheer, Joyce, Dawson, Spencer, Bowes, Scott, Koenen, Graham and Heron have played a lot of footy together. I think even Spencer would be a chance of being re-rookied if nothing else more promising is around at the end of the Rookie Draft, but basically you have the potential for the whole backline defence to come from that group with Thompson, Harbrow and Hanley anchoring the group while the transition takes place, including Ballard and Scrimshaw.
 
TheBrownDog said:
Hammo reporting that May wants out.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...s/news-story/0acb56ab659392d628686268ef4ca9f8
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What a click bait headline there is no news at all in that article.

It's just a stupid hypothetical trade that's already been shut down by the afl.

A proposal to make May a free agent this year, following a precedent used by Brisbane and Gold Coast with Jared Brennan in 2010, has been ruled illegal by the AFL.

Under AFL rules, a contract can be torn up by mutual agreement.

Under the left field proposal, May and the Suns would mutually agree to part ways which would make him uncontracted and automatically a restricted free agent.

It was suggested that the Suns should then qualify for a compensation pick directly tied to their existing first-round selection.

It is understood a radical plan to exploit an AFL rule and deliver free agency compensation to the Suns has been shut down by the league.

The Suns are anticipating May will ask to be traded in the coming weeks and will not stay beyond next year if he cannot secure a release this off-season.

However, they are prepared to hold out given they expect to finish in the bottom four again next year and would receive a top-five draft pick as compensation.
 
Reportably already met with Collingwood and Hawks.

Hawks have nothing they can really offer us.
 
TheBrownDog said:
Hammo reporting that May wants out.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...s/news-story/0acb56ab659392d628686268ef4ca9f8
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Because the News Corporation newspapers are generally full of lies and horseshit, many Suns Forum members do not have access past the paywall. Can you summarise? Or shall I just make it all up like Hammo does?

Hammo: I'm a foundation member of the Gold Coast Suns and I get paid to write lies about my own club in a Brisbane newspaper. Because every single Suns player, coach, administrator and fan wants to punch me in the face on sight, I have to get all my info from Rocket an he's bloody useless so I just have to make most stuff up unless I can rework a post from Big Footy. How's this for a scoop? Rocket used to play for Hawthorn and he spent 5 minutes at Collingwood 5 years ago, so Steven May is going to either Hawks and Pies according to "sources". Ha, this journalism caper is so easy! People will believe all kinds of rubbish. In the off-season I'm gonna break the news that Brayden Crossley is switching codes to join the Titans, except then the deal will "fall through" like every big Titans signing. Lol. Or, or, what about "Karmichael plans Suns comeback"? I was gonna run with that this week, but my editor reckoned the Suns Salary Cap Crisis was a better headline.
 

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The may thing is confusing.
It genuinely seems 50/50 with the interview dew did on sportsday basically saying he has recommitted and now this surfacing that he will seek a trade.

For what its worth id be happy to see him go if it is a really good deal like top 7 pick deal. Or some decent players in return.
 
if there are any financial issues i reckon they're only minor. we've got expiring contracts coming up, a restructuring of rischa's contract into a rookie, and potentially some big earners leaving the club in lynch and may. sure, we may have been a bit trigger happy with some re-signings like schoenfeld and lemmens, but i can't see how we could be in that much trouble. regardless, i doubt the club is going to come out and state that we're in the shit. there's no benefit in doing so even if we were, as it would likely scare off other players from joining. players aren't going to come here to play for a successful team, so if we can't offer a decent salary then we aren't going to attract the talent we need. all this media gossip floating around is just that, gossip. until you hear it plain and directly from the club, i wouldn't buy into it.

GcSunsfan said:
Ralphy quoted Dew on the interview posted above.
Dews been in Melbourne all week doing interview and has mentioned it in a few so has Evans.

I believe what the club say over a guy baiting online and trying to discredit everything I post online (not talking about you).

GOLD Coast plans to fix a surprise salary cap crunch by 2019 but will be limited in the upcoming trade period by an extremely tight cap.

The battling Suns are the last club many would expect to have a full salary cap given their lack of on-field success but have a significant wage bill in comparison to the talent on their list.

Chief executive Mark Evans has tasked new list manager Craig Cameron with fixing the problem by the 2019 season so the Suns can again be aggressive in trade discussions.

The departure of Tom Lynch to Richmond will ease some of those concerns but the Suns simply have too many players on too much money for their output.
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don't see any direct quotes from the club in there?
 
Corkie said:
If a club comes to us with a great deal, I think we will take it and just get it over and done with.
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Agree with this. Rip the bandaid off all at once. Avoiding the circus next year is also a bonus.

May wasn't too good this year. Rory was easily the better performer of the two.
 

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exile said:
if there are any financial issues i reckon they're only minor. we've got expiring contracts coming up, a restructuring of rischa's contract into a rookie, and potentially some big earners leaving the club in lynch and may. sure, we may have been a bit trigger happy with some re-signings like schoenfeld and lemmens, but i can't see how we could be in that much trouble. regardless, i doubt the club is going to come out and state that we're in the shit. there's no benefit in doing so even if we were, as it would likely scare off other players from joining. players aren't going to come here to play for a successful team, so if we can't offer a decent salary then we aren't going to attract the talent we need. all this media gossip floating around is just that, gossip. until you hear it plain and directly from the club, i wouldn't buy into it.


don't see any direct quotes from the club in there?
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Given the complexities of player contracts and the size of AFL lists, clubs basically have to keep player payments as close to $12.45 million as they can hoping things work out as planned. When they go over as long as it isn't more than $600K, the club just gets docked the same amount the following year. As Greg Denham said in a brilliant article, the Suns seem to have the most spurious articles written about them based on Chinese whispers. If there is a kernel of truth, it has been blown out of proportion by Jon Ralph. Notice how many non-News Corp media outlets have run with this story? Zero. None. Zilch. Nada.
 
JRyan23 said:
May is also 27, I’d rather get pick 4 along with pick 2, 3 like it is being talked about it


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It doesn't work that way. May would need to find a club willing to trade a lot. People say he had a down year, but when he was good he was very bloody good. Rory had a solid year, which is vital to the one/two combo, but without a third defender capable of playing tall/medium it is May who ends up looking a step behind. A backline of Harbrow, May, Joyce, Hanley, Thompson and Ballard would be nicely balanced, perhaps with Scrimshaw coming in would be better than any lineup from this year (sorry Rischa).

In fact, I'd throw May forward, which is its own kind of "tearing off the bandaid" and has been discussed by Dew in various interviews. A backline without May would mean putting Day back there and bringing in some talls. Sam Collins has been mentioned and we know that we have some talented talls coming in the Draft. Jack Lukosius played a game down back in the U18 National Championships and was still the best on the field, so you wonder if he might even get his start the same way Maysie did.
 
barberbarbarian said:
Yes it could, but as I showed, since 2010, that has not happened in ANY of the drafts. And by this logic carlton should trade pick 1 for 3 picks in the 20's because they 'could' set themselves up with the best players. I guarantee you it wont happen and if it did, it would be a failed trade.
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Here is an intersting trade from 2016
Sydney claim picks 9, 19 and 49, Port gets 14, 17 and 31.

That is Port giving up 1469 + 948 + 287 = 2704
The Swans giving up 1161 + 1025 + 606 = 2792

For interest's sake, Sydney used #9 to bid on Jack Bowes, which if they didn't then the Suns could potentially have picked anyone they liked at #10 and picked up Bowes with points from their 2017 1st rounder, but that would mean no Scheer, Weller or Ballard, so probably just as well. Swans got Oliver Florent instead, plus Will Hayward and Darcy Cameron, while Port got Todd Marshall, Sam Powell-Pepper and Willem Drew.

Sydney have the better of the deal so far, despite giving up slightly more points. The deal was done at the very last minute just after the Jaeger deal.
 
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