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Review 2018 Trade Period

Score our trade period

  • A+

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • A

    Votes: 18 14.2%

  • B+

    Votes: 67 52.8%

  • B

    Votes: 33 26.0%

  • C+

    Votes: 6 4.7%

  • C

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    127

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reg_lower91

reg_lower91

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Melbourne
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Carlton
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Watsonia F.C.
In: Mitch McGovern, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Nic Newman

Out: Picks 26, 28, 2019 fourth-round pick, 2019 fifth-round pick

2018 draft picks: 1, 69, 71, 77
2019 draft picks: 1, 37, 43, 91 (based on this year's ladder positions)

We picked up some really handy player, but a lack of pick depth across the next two drafts is slightly concerning.

Unless anything changes next trade period, we'll have 2 drafts in a row without a second round DP.

Nonetheless, I'm very happy with this trade period. Some very handy acquisitions and we've kept pick 1.

Score: B+

How do you score it?
 
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reg_lower91 said:
In: Mitch McGovern, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Nic Newman

Out: Picks 26, 28, 2019 fourth-round pick, 2019 fifth-round pick

2018 draft picks: 1, 69, 71, 77
2019 draft picks: 1, 37, 48, 91 (based on this year's ladder positions)

We picked up some really handy player, but a lack of pick depth across the next two drafts is slightly concerning.

Unless anything changes next trade period, we'll have 2 drafts in a row without a second round DP.

Nonetheless, I'm very happy with this trade period. Some very handy acquisitions and we've kept pick 1.

Score: B+

How do you score it?
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Need to add a future 3rd coming back in.

Difficult to score the period, considering we may add some handy DFA

Assessment for me, will be when the list is finalised as a whole, with both ins & outs
 
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reg_lower91 said:
In: Mitch McGovern, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Nic Newman

Out: Picks 26, 28, 2019 fourth-round pick, 2019 fifth-round pick

2018 draft picks: 1, 69, 71, 77
2019 draft picks: 1, 37, 48, 91 (based on this year's ladder positions)

We picked up some really handy player, but a lack of pick depth across the next two drafts is slightly concerning.

Unless anything changes next trade period, we'll have 2 drafts in a row without a second round DP.

Nonetheless, I'm very happy with this trade period. Some very handy acquisitions and we've kept pick 1.

Score: B+

How do you score it?
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Solid A- for me.

Gave up 3x second rounders, 1x fifth rounder, and the half-arsed, token, bullshit "assistance package" from the AFL.

Brought in 4 players who are every chance of being entrenched in the best 22 by the middle of 2019 (allowing for rehab of Setters).

Upgraded next years fourth to a third.

Kept Pick 1 and next year's first rounder, pending further offers.

Missed Shiel - but was always a risk given our 2018 performance.

No second rounders in this or the next draft, but that's a better than fair price to pay for what we've added to our list.
 
From a target acquisition POV it was very successful however it's left us with very few mid range picks. And for that reason I graded it a B+

Getting our hands on Gov and Setterfield is huge IMO
 
Pro's:
1. We've brought in 2 players who should slot straight into the forward line (McGovern, Fasolo), a player who should slot straight into the midfield when fit (Setterfield), and a player who most likely will slot straight into the backline (Newman).
2. We've kept 2018 #1 in a superdraft, and 2019 round 1
3. The only target we missed was Shiel, and at the cost of 2 first rounders, I'm not distraught

Con's:
1. I would have liked one more midfielder, but options were limited. Extremely difficult to get excited about recruiting Tyson, Miles, GHS types.

Verdict: Overall I give it an A. We've strengthened the list, didn't lose our most important draft assets, and did not have any promising kids or stars leave.

And there's a chance we pick up a DFA to help Cripps for a season, i.e. Barlow, Grigg
 
Gotta say it again....how on earth do people think we were supposed to secure Best 22 players while keeping a presence in the first and second rounds?

Guaranteed, if we'd turned Pick 1 into McGovern and Setterfield, allowing us to keep our second round picks, people would be crying foul about how we gave up Pick 1.

We got 4x best 22 players for some second rounders and chump change. Only points docked are for missing Shiel, but that's less on the LM team and more on the team performance for the season just gone. By all reports, if we'd won an extra 4-5 games, Shiel probably would have been much more open to nominating us.
 
Actually think that the delay involving big trades, (Wingard, Neale, Hogan et al); hampered our efforts.

If they had gone through earlier, say Tuesday rather than Wednesday arvo; pick swaps involving #1 and 2019 1st may have eventuated.

May have given us the capital to offer sufficient to land Shiel at the end while keeping good 1st rounders in both drafts.
 
I rate the period as a success. Why?. Because after the worst season since Fitzroy's last, we didn't lose any required players(of which there are about 20 odd). An enormous effort in itself.

To add to that we actually attracted 2 quality talents and 2 speculative 26yo's that are better than Mullet and O'Shea.

We also had a smooth, impressive transition into our future leadership and we nabbed the league's most elite holistic conditioner.

All in all a mighty impressive effort albeit we missed our prime target by a whisker. The fact that we only missed him by a whisker is also impressive in itself.

So yeah, an impressive fortnight all in all.
 

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TerryWallet said:
I rate the period as a success. Why?. Because after the worst season since Fitzroy's last, we didn't lose any required players(of which there are about 20 odd). An enormous effort in itself.

To add to that we actually attracted 2 quality talents and 2 speculative 26yo's that are better than Mullet and O'Shea.

We also had a smooth, impressive transition into our future leadership and we nabbed the league's most elite holistic conditioner.

All in all a mighty impressive effort albeit we missed our prime target by a whisker. The fact that we only missed him by a whisker is also impressive in itself.

So yeah, an impressive fortnight all in all.
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Bluey24 said:
Well, the ABC has rated Carlton as one of, if not the, worst performers in this trade period

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-18/who-won-and-lost-the-afl-trade-period/10389904

I really don't know what to make of their analysis............. :huh:
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Hugely flawed analysis model.

Completely ignores any consideration for what a team already has and therefore what they need.

We "lost" the most long-term value, because we traded out some second rounders and some state league players (who they've randomly valued as second rounders). But we also have the largest list of young talent already on our list, having stockpiled draft picks over the past 3 years. As such, our goal was not to bring in a bunch of high-value kids or more picks, it was to use tradeable assets to bring in 23-26yo best 22 players.

This is the issue with boffins trying to attach numbers to everything and letting that dictate a grading. Numbers are pointless without context.
 
I wouldn't worry about what the ABC say about us. We can still pick up some handy players as DFA's for 1-2 years while our kids get more seasoning as AFL players. And I would trust SOS to crush the later picks we have!
 

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Blue__Balls said:
Hugely flawed analysis model.

Completely ignores any consideration for what a team already has and therefore what they need.

We "lost" the most long-term value, because we traded out some second rounders and some state league players (who they've randomly valued as second rounders). But we also have the largest list of young talent already on our list, having stockpiled draft picks over the past 3 years. As such, our goal was not to bring in a bunch of high-value kids or more picks, it was to use tradeable assets to bring in 23-26yo best 22 players.

This is the issue with boffins trying to attach numbers to everything and letting that dictate a grading. Numbers are pointless without context.
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Was basically going to type this exactly.
 
I’d have said A if we landed a big fist but we don’t lose because we didn’t. Didn’t realise ABC were hunting for mainstream, sensational headlines like their commercial brethren.
I’m going with B+ because we landed the players we wanted early, got a nice addition late and kept first round picks this year and next. We added players in the required age profile and built scoring potential. We achieved many of the stated goals at the outset of the period.
I am of a mind that we won’t wheel and deal on Draft night unless we get major overs. Take Walsh and pay for the F/S prospects: Silvagni and one Hickmott. Pre-season and Rookie drafts will allow us to have a bit more fun accessing the likes of Goddard.
Really good outcomes given the potential for movement with the resources we have in our possession, without hitting a home run.
Looking forward to some preseason updates in the weeks and months to come.
 
Just on the ABC article

Never mind the size of data set used - if the weighting and measures used (inputs) are subjective then so are the outputs.

Assigning Krueger and McAdam a 2nd round value is not only subjective it’s frankly close to hysterical.

Hogwash dressed up as science simply coz it generates some relativity and correlation graphs
 

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