2019 Draft thread

[spotthedog1]

Hinge will be onto seniors. Replace him with Skinner on the rookie list.

Right you are. Something didn't look right about that list. Doesn't change the overall though.

Having listened to Conole on the podcast, we are expecting to put Lachie Johnson on the rookie list (short of him disappearing in the ND), and we are expecting Keidean Coleman to get bid on in the ND.

Primary list - 4 spots:
21, 29, 34, 71
Expected that 71 is for Keidean Coleman

Rookie list A - 3 spots:
Skinner
Lyons
Johnson

Rookie list B - 1 spot:
Matt Eagles

This leaves no room for Archie Smith or Noah Cumberland. Based on this, if Smith doesn't get picked up by another club, I expect that we've already got pick swaps somewhat organised, or don't expect difficulty in organising them at the time, around pushing picks. Something like 29 moves up 5 or 6 spots, and 34 moves back 15 spots (or one of them pushed to a future pick, with a loose change pick 100 coming back). This would let us take pick 21, ~24, and then get Coleman and Smith.

Even with that, we STILL don't have enough room for Smith, Cumberland and Coleman. Could always do the same thing again - trade up and down, to end up with a pick in the teens and 3 picks at the end. Really depends how the list management sees it. Wouldn't be surprised if we just let one of Coleman or Cumberland go.

 

[T Rick]

Is there a full draft list that can be accessed somewhere, i.e. a list of every player who has nominated for the draft?

 

[seanthelion]

Is there a full draft list that can be accessed somewhere, i.e. a list of every player who has nominated for the draft?

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[harvester]

And it would probably cost us picks 21, 29 and both future first round picks, with us getting back pick 4, pick 59 and a future third round pick back.

Sydney might be tempted a pick 5, but again it would require a similar overpay to move up. Our two future firsts and pick 21 to start with.
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That would be madness. Goodness I hope Noble doesn't lose his cool

 

[mpal6]

And it would probably cost us picks 21, 29 and both future first round picks, with us getting back pick 4, pick 59 and a future third round pick back.

Sydney might be tempted a pick 5, but again it would require a similar overpay to move up. Our two future firsts and pick 21 to start with.


That would be madness. Goodness I hope Noble doesn't lose his cool

We've worked our way out of first 20 picks and stocked up for next year. Doubt they'll sell the farm to get back in at this stage. Pick 16 + future first was the closest to us going for a top 10 and getting it somehow, I reckon we made our decision there.

We might still try 29+34 for a early 20s plus late 50s pick possibly. I think Briztoon mentioned it earlier.

 

[jjami15]

We think any notion of moving up the draft or trading into the top 10 is fantasy. We should look at those two picks in the 20’s and aim for those around those around those picks.

 

[briztoon]

We think any notion of moving up the draft or trading into the top 10 is fantasy. We should look at those two picks in the 20’s and aim for those around those around those picks.

Sorry jjami15 you lost me there a bit.

 

[Berrygood]

Sorry jjami15 you lost me there a bit.

I think what jjami15 was saying we take the best two we can get with 21 and 29 that have been rated within that range.
I think we will then take cumberland and coleman with 34 and 71. 34 can be shuffled back to advantage if it suits. Possibly trade back for a later pick and another future pick.
I also think that if archie smith does get snapped up by someone else, its then that we will pick up johnson in the rookie draft.
We seem to be stocking up heavily with future picks, ive lost track a bit, but i still think we may be banking ammo to have a crack at trading in a gun. 2 first rounders will get us a good one, then with the extra 2nd n 3rd or whatever we have we try then to edge into the first rnd again maybe. I think we will be perfectly placed to take advantage of next years compromised draft. While others are scratching around for picks n upgrades to get their nga n f/s, we will get our gun in trade and still be viable in the draft. All good.

 

[briztoon]

The AFL Draft Central crew did their annual phantom draft podcast yesterday.

They recorded the show before the Fremantle, Melbourne and Adelaide pick shuffles, but otherwise I believe all the other trades had been completed.


In regards to the academy and FS kids this year, the four main clubs GWS, Fremantle, Hawthorn and Port have all traded up to get ahead of any possible bids on their kids, and traded their matching picks towards the back half of the draft, after our first three picks.

Now while the draft pool of non academy kids stays the same, what it means for us is the every pick between pick 1 and our third pick is a “live” pick.

Ideally it would have been preferable if at least GWS and Fremantle had kept a pick within that range, as that would have effectively increased the player pool available to us, especially at our later two picks, by two players. Or at the very least, provided us with the potential to trade up for a higher pick if our offer was good enough.

While a fair bit has been written about GWS potentially carrying a 769 points deficit over to the 2020 draft, not much has been said about Fremantle’s manoeuvring, and that they could also be taking a deficit as high as 537 points in to next year. That would be a future first round pick worth trading for.


By the end of Draft Centrals first round, Will Day had gone, so to Trent Bianco, Trent Rivers, Cooper Stephens, Miles Bergman, and Kysaiah Pickett.

The only two left who I really like were Will Gould and Jay Rantall.

They went Rantall to Gold Coast and Gould to Brisbane.

As Pete Williams, the AFL Draft Central editor said, when he selected Gould for Brisbane, Gould for him, was the last player on board in that tier of good players.

After Gould, you’re looking at players with question marks, perceived deficiencies or who might be projects.

If it was me, and it came down to a pick between those two players, I would pick Gould. But I expect so would Gold Coast, and as the Draft Central reporter picking for Gold Coast said, he had no idea what Gold Coast would do at that pick.


I’ve been a fan of Rantall since before the U18 Championships. But expected him to be around the mark at our second pick.

That he has climbed up to the top of the second round speaks volumes for the kid. Twomey reported yesterday that he had interviewed very well with clubs, and they were very m impressed with his high character.

The big part of his game that he has to work on is his kicking.

That Rantall is being spoken about ahead of players such as Jeremy Sharp, Elijah Taylor and Dylan Williams, among others, also highlights for me that at that point in the draft, recruiters (as far as its being reported and speculated on) are putting character ahead football talent, because those 3 kids specifically have both the physical size, athletic tools and football skills to be first round talents.

I would take those three ahead of Kysaiah Pickett, because I would have no concerns about them competing against similarly sized opponents. Pickett is a full 5cm shorter than Dayne Zorko, and really can only play one position on the field, small forward.

It might look great tackling an unsuspecting, light weight kid at SANFL U18 level, but at 170cm in the AFL, Pickett won’t be bumping too many players over. Even if they don’t see it coming.


I would be ecstatic if one of Taylor, Sharp or Williams somehow fell to our second pick. When I look at draft watchers phantom drafts, and see who is left on board, at second pick, and especially by our third pick, I think I would prefer Keidean Coleman than most of the kids available at those picks.

Otherwise I’m looking for value in kids who missed the year due to injury, particularly kpf Mitch Georgiades from WA and hbf Flynn Perez from Bendigo, or a ruck option such as Nick Bryan.


Think that’s all I’ve got at the moment.

 

[briztoon]

I think what jjami15 was saying we take the best two we can get with 21 and 29 that have been rated within that range.
I think we will then take cumberland and coleman with 34 and 71. 34 can be shuffled back to advantage if it suits. Possibly trade back for a later pick and another future pick.
I also think that if archie smith does get snapped up by someone else, its then that we will pick up johnson in the rookie draft.
We seem to be stocking up heavily with future picks, ive lost track a bit, but i still think we may be banking ammo to have a crack at trading in a gun. 2 first rounders will get us a good one, then with the extra 2nd n 3rd or whatever we have we try then to edge into the first rnd again maybe. I think we will be perfectly placed to take advantage of next years compromised draft. While others are scratching around for picks n upgrades to get their nga n f/s, we will get our gun in trade and still be viable in the draft. All good.

We only have 2 firsts, 1 second and 1 third in next years draft at this stage, despite all our trading.

We also potentially have 2, 3, or 4 academy kids of our own next year, depending on their development.

 

[Pride of lions]

Right you are. Something didn't look right about that list. Doesn't change the overall though.

Having listened to Conole on the podcast, we are expecting to put Lachie Johnson on the rookie list (short of him disappearing in the ND), and we are expecting Keidean Coleman to get bid on in the ND.

Primary list - 4 spots:
21, 29, 34, 71
Expected that 71 is for Keidean Coleman

Rookie list A - 3 spots:
Skinner
Lyons
Johnson

Rookie list B - 1 spot:
Matt Eagles

This leaves no room for Archie Smith or Noah Cumberland. Based on this, if Smith doesn't get picked up by another club, I expect that we've already got pick swaps somewhat organised, or don't expect difficulty in organising them at the time, around pushing picks. Something like 29 moves up 5 or 6 spots, and 34 moves back 15 spots (or one of them pushed to a future pick, with a loose change pick 100 coming back). This would let us take pick 21, ~24, and then get Coleman and Smith.

Even with that, we STILL don't have enough room for Smith, Cumberland and Coleman. Could always do the same thing again - trade up and down, to end up with a pick in the teens and 3 picks at the end. Really depends how the list management sees it. Wouldn't be surprised if we just let one of Coleman or Cumberland go.

Listening to Conole it didn’t sound like we would be picking up Cumberland. Just my impression anyway.

 

[lionshine]

It might look great tackling an unsuspecting, light weight kid at SANFL U18 level, but at 170cm in the AFL, Pickett won’t be bumping too many players over. Even if they don’t see it coming.

Why not? Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti has no trouble laying massive bumps and he is the same height as Pickett.

 

[eDPS]

Why not? Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti has no trouble laying massive bumps and he is the same height as Pickett.

Exactly the type clubs and myself see him as, what he has over Tippa is he is far better overhead with his leap aswell.

 

[briztoon]

Why not? Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti has no trouble laying massive bumps and he is the same height as Pickett.

I did not realise this. Not that I can recall Tipa laying any bumps in the few Essendon games I’ve watched.

Exactly the type clubs and myself see him as, what he has over Tippa is he is far better overhead with his leap aswell.

Hey eDPS would you take Pickett ahead of Williams, Taylor and Sharp?

 

[eDPS]

Hey eDPS would you take Pickett ahead of Williams, Taylor and Sharp?

In certain cases I would it depends on which club and what type of player they want most

 

[M Malice]

From the scant footage available of Kysaiah Pickett he is the closest player to Cyril Rioli I have seen, serious X factor who looks like he would impact games with minimal possessions, him and Charlie as our forward smalls would be awesome.

 

[Scubaveg]

From the scant footage available of Kysaiah Pickett he is the closest player to Cyril Rioli I have seen, serious X factor who looks like he would impact games with minimal possessions, him and Charlie as our forward smalls would be awesome.

Would happily pick this guy up. We’re not particularly blessed with abundant small forward talent and he has a lot of upside.


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[jjami15]

Sorry jjami15 you lost me there a bit.

Sorry, I think any notion or moving up is fantasy. Focus on those picks in the twenties and identify possible players

 

[mpal6]

briztoon has Elijah Taylor shown any potential for an outside wing man role in your view?

 

[briztoon]

briztoon has Elijah Taylor shown any potential for an outside wing man role in your view?

He did in a limited role during the U18 Champs.

We would need to build his tank over a couple of preseasons. I actually like Taylor over Bergman, but Taylor hasn’t shown the same level of contested game that Bergman has.

I’ve also read there may be some concern about Taylor moving away from home and family. But just reading it online, I don’t know how accurate those rumours are.

 

[SizeMatters]

Worrell would be a good pick up I reckon.

 

[Berrygood]

We only have 2 firsts, 1 second and 1 third in next years draft at this stage, despite all our trading.

We also potentially have 2, 3, or 4 academy kids of our own next year, depending on their development.
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Goodo, i thought we picked up a 2nd rnd from the pies and in my mind another 3rd rnd from somewhere. Happy to be corrected. Hadnt thought of those traded out either. Can you please give a list of the in's n out's of next yrs draft?

Im with ya in regards to gould and rantnall. Id be very happy to get both those kids. I really like the idea of payne n gould as our next gen of defenders coming thru. Solid replacements for birch n adams in time. Both could push those guys next year. Andrews, gardiner, payne, gould, answerth, is a great defensive backbone for a long time. Hinge showed a bit when given the chance, ah chee should add run. The defensive future post adams, birchall, rich looks very exciting with gould.

Sorry, posting error on my behalf. Will need to expand to read.

 

[briztoon]

Sorry Berrygood at work. I’m pretty sure Hollow Knight or irel or someone posted it in either the draft or trade thread.

 

[jackess]

And the Lions believe they can strike some gold in what is considered a relatively even talent pool.

“There’s a sentiment this year that a player that might have been picked at no. 15 or 16 could still be there at 21 or 22,’’ Lions general manager of football David Noble said.

“The top grouping is strong. The top two are standouts then there’s another eight or so players that have been earmarked to round out the top 10.

“And after that, there is a large group at the end of the first round and through the second round that is pretty even so it is going to come down to the preferences of each club.

With the fast track at the Gabba in mind, Brisbane will look for players that can skate across halfback or on a wing and hit targets further afield.

“We are looking for some run, some speed and good ball use. You want to bring in guys that play hard and are good at contested ball too so we are looking at players who can play a role in the midfield, across halfback or on a wing.

“Where we are at in the draft, there won’t be any key defenders or key forwards left but we also have to consider that the game is quite quick at the Gabba.’’

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[briztoon]

And the Lions believe they can strike some gold in what is considered a relatively even talent pool.

“There’s a sentiment this year that a player that might have been picked at no. 15 or 16 could still be there at 21 or 22,’’ Lions general manager of football David Noble said.

“The top grouping is strong. The top two are standouts then there’s another eight or so players that have been earmarked to round out the top 10.

“And after that, there is a large group at the end of the first round and through the second round that is pretty even so it is going to come down to the preferences of each club.

With the fast track at the Gabba in mind, Brisbane will look for players that can skate across halfback or on a wing and hit targets further afield.

“We are looking for some run, some speed and good ball use. You want to bring in guys that play hard and are good at contested ball too so we are looking at players who can play a role in the midfield, across halfback or on a wing.

“Where we are at in the draft, there won’t be any key defenders or key forwards left but we also have to consider that the game is quite quick at the Gabba.’’

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Jeremy Sharp could play halfback and wing, but hasn’t much of a contested game.

Jay Rantall could play midfield, plays hard and has a strong contested game, but needs a lot of work on his kick. And he play a Mitch Robbo role on the wing.

Trent Rivers can play as a general defender and in the midfield, but isn’t what I would call fast. But he is a very good decision maker.

Trent Bianco can play HBF and wing, and is a good ball user. He’s got pace, but not as fast as Sharp.