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Nope.

On the surface, it makes sense. But hen people make that judgment, do they consider what likely results he could've accomplished?

Had Webber raced for Renault in 05, did that mean Alonso wasn't going to be racing for them?

If Alonso wasn't racing for Renault, do people think Webber would've won the 2 WC?

If he was team mates with Alonso, accounting for the fact that he beat Alonso only once (just) in the 4 years from 2010-13, what results would anyone genuinely expect form him to consider it a lost opportunity?

Had Webber raced for Renault in 05, would he likely have gained the RB drive to take advantage of that later on?
 

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Nope.

On the surface, it makes sense. But hen people make that judgment, do they consider what likely results he could've accomplished?

Had Webber raced for Renault in 05, did that mean Alonso wasn't going to be racing for them?

If Alonso wasn't racing for Renault, do people think Webber would've won the 2 WC?

If he was team mates with Alonso, accounting for the fact that he beat Alonso only once (just) in the 4 years from 2010-13, what results would anyone genuinely expect form him to consider it a lost opportunity?

Had Webber raced for Renault in 05, would he likely have gained the RB drive to take advantage of that later on?
Webber lost at least two years of being in a race-winning car.

Irrespective of who his team teammate would be or who wins the WDC in that Renault, that's an undisputed fact.

Williams were clearly on the way down when Webber joined. Montoya saw it, Flavio saw it, pretty much everyone saw it except Webber himself.
 

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Webber lost at least two years of being in a race-winning car.

Irrespective of who his team teammate would be or who wins the WDC in that Renault, that's an undisputed fact.

Williams were clearly on the way down when Webber joined. Montoya saw it, Flavio saw it, pretty much everyone saw it except Webber himself.
He missed two years withg a race winning car. But seriously, how many races do you think he could've won?

Based off Fisichella's record those years, I'm going to say anywhere from 0-3. I don't say with huge confidence he'd have won even one.

I'm not sure you can say it was foreseeable that Williams were clearly on the way down? Ferrari had a dominant year in 04, and Williams had a tough season, but had won the final race of the year.

I'm not sure what Montoya saw to give him confidence Williams were going to be shit? I specifically remember him being announced to go to McLaren for 05 at the 03 French GP. The middle of a spell of 4 wins in 6 races for Williams, and in a year where he's considered a moral champ.
 

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Not sure if I love these changes.....
Technology should be improving cars, not restricting them. Also most of the changes will mean very little if engine regs aren't changing.
Placing restrictions on parts and upgrades will only increase the race over management of cars.
 
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Cutting gps from 4 days than to 3 seems like a practical way to reduce costs and maybe keep more cities interested in hosting a round.


More stock than ever but what can they do?

The cars just can't perform when behind another car and every season they say that the next changes will help change that, so fingers crossed this will be the time that it ends up being true.


They'll look cool at least :sunglasses:.
 

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One of the things I've liked about this season is how often I've heard that the tyres have worked unexpectedly better during the races, and this has changed the nature of the race within the races. It's just adds to my disappointment that there's mandatory stops and use of compounds. mandatory stops helps the best cars.
 

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F1 starts in 1950.

Juan Fangio wins his 4th title in 1956, and 5th in 57.

It took 37 years for someone else to reach 4 titles (Prost in 93), and 45 years for the next to get 5 (Schumacher in 02).

It's taken 16 years for the next driver (Hamilton) to get 5 and 6 titles respectively.


The first 50 season of F1, 7 drivers went back to back (Ascari, Fangio, Brabham, Prost, Senna, Schumacher and Hakkinen). Only Fangio went more than 2 on the trot with 4, and there was a 26 year gap between a consecutive champ between Brabham in 60 and Prost in 86.

But in the 20 seasons in this century since, we've had 5 blocks of consecutive champions between 4 drivers. But not just your standard back to back champs, we've had mammoth blocks Schumacher with 5, Vettel with 4, and Hamilton with 3. Something that was only done once in the first 50 season of F1, and went a spell of 46 years between the next block of 3 consecutive.

Something's gone awry in the last 20 years. These sort of stats are not reflective of the difference in calibre of drivers now in comparison to the past.
 

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F1 starts in 1950.

Juan Fangio wins his 4th title in 1956, and 5th in 57.

It took 37 years for someone else to reach 4 titles (Prost in 93), and 45 years for the next to get 5 (Schumacher in 02).

It's taken 16 years for the next driver (Hamilton) to get 5 and 6 titles respectively.


The first 50 season of F1, 7 drivers went back to back (Ascari, Fangio, Brabham, Prost, Senna, Schumacher and Hakkinen). Only Fangio went more than 2 on the trot with 4, and there was a 26 year gap between a consecutive champ between Brabham in 60 and Prost in 86.

But in the 20 seasons in this century since, we've had 5 blocks of consecutive champions between 4 drivers. But not just your standard back to back champs, we've had mammoth blocks Schumacher with 5, Vettel with 4, and Hamilton with 3. Something that was only done once in the first 50 season of F1, and went a spell of 46 years between the next block of 3 consecutive.

Something's gone awry in the last 20 years. These sort of stats are not reflective of the difference in calibre of drivers now in comparison to the past.
$$$ already invested into the car (especially aero and engine) replaced driver talent as the most important factor in winning. At least the 80s had regular mechanical failures.

The more control and monitoring - the less the driver has to drive "around" issues in the car.

Putting limits on spending actually extends the time at the top - it's harder for other teams to catch up to a competitor with an advantage.

If a new team was going to come in in the next few years (say 2021), they should spend a billion developing the car now, before they are caught under the regulations - then the other teams will never be able to spend enough to catch up.
 

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Yup, most of the seats for 2020 are filled:

Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton, Valtteri Bottas
Ferrari - Sebastian Vettel, Charles Leclerc
Red Bull Racing - Max Verstappen, TBA (Alex Albon is odds on)
McLaren - Lando Norris, Carlos Sainz Jr.
Renault - Daniel Ricciardo, Esteban Ocon
Alpha Tauri - Daniil Kvyat, TBA (Pierre Gasly is odds on)
Racing Point - Sergio Pérez, Lance Stroll
Alfa Romeo Racing - Kimi Räikkönen, TBA
Haas - Romain Grosjean, Kevin Magnussen
Williams - George Russell, TBA

The only question is whether or not Kimi retires at the end of the season and therefore there are two seats to fill instead of one. Giovinazzi has probably done enough to get another season at Alpha.

There's a bunch of Formula Two drivers (Nyck de Vries, Nicholas Latifi, Luca Ghiotto) that are probably jostling for what looks like only one seat!
Another seat filled as Giovinazzi confirmed for 2020 for Alfa alongside Kimi

 

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Any realistic chance of Nico Hulkenberg somehow staying on the grid? Or will it just be a pay driver at Williams and a RB graduate at Alpha Tauri?

Don't see any reason why Albon would not be retained for a full season at RBR.
 

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Well Alfa's seat is filled so that only leaves Williams, and they seem to be going with Latifi given how much he's been involved in FP1 recently
 

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Well Alfa's seat is filled so that only leaves Williams, and they seem to be going with Latifi given how much he's been involved in FP1 recently
Yeah was thinking it might be the end of his F1 career (which, barring a miracle, would result in him holding the record of most races without a podium), but was wondering whether there might be any surprises with driver moves. Perhaps someone like Vettel or Kimi calling it quits without notice after Abu Dhabi?
 

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Last I heard Kimi seemed to be enjoying himself now that he doesn't need to do as much media, and the rumours around Vettel are that he might retire after 2020 if he doesn't like the new rules changes
 

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The only driver to walk in recent history is Nico Roseberg. After he reached the pinnacle.
Vettel isn’t going anywhere. Kimi isn’t going anywhere voluntarily while he has a contract.
I doubt any F1 driver would.
 

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Alonso?
Hmmm....his attitude cost him his Ferrari drive and any competitive drive. Hugely talented, might be the best of this generation, but he was never going to get to a Competitive drive.
Offering Alonso a contract in a team with a shit car, a car he spent most of his driving time complaining about, was a technical move to avoid a press meltdown in Spain.
Alonso‘s ego was never going to allow him to continue. The contract was never going to be signed and both parties knew that.
 

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