Position 2021 Defenders

[gutsroy]

Any updates on the seagull Jake Lloyd? Is he right to go for Rd1?

All systems go, I think.

 

[0utsider]

What do people make of Luke McDonalds output over the weekend? Didn’t get a chance to watch the game over the weekend, was told the problem?

I know we typically shouldn’t judge premos too harshly off pre-season games but with every other halfback seemingly putting up 150s I’m starting to second guess one of the few players who hasn’t left my side all pre-season.

 

[Deliverance]

Adjusted the 2020 shorten quarter stat line to suit normal game time.

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1. Statically improving each year. (Kicks more than handball which is a big plus)
2. 4th year and a full preseason.
3. Steady Champion Ranking rise each year.

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More of the question where in the 90's will he land.

I forgot about the 2020 adjustments. The worry is, that 90s may not be enough for a D6 this year.

 

[gutsroy]

What do people make of Luke McDonalds output over the weekend? Didn’t get a chance to watch the game over the weekend, was told the problem?

I know we typically shouldn’t judge premos too harshly off pre-season games but with every other halfback seemingly putting up 150s I’m starting to second guess one of the few players who hasn’t left my side all pre-season.

See what others say, in general:
1. Just had a really off day in terms of his disposal, was nigh-on double digits in clangers, from memory
2. Shared kick-ins with Ziebell, they basically split them down the middle. (Don't get it, personally, Ziebell can obviously roost the footy, but his DE and decision making aren't that good )
3. Played an accountable role, couldn't free himself quite as much.

Was on him all preseason, he's a wait and see upgrade target now.
Plenty of other options priced similarly with ok prospects and no real.quesrion marks.
Just my view.

 

[Deliverance]

What do people make of Luke McDonalds output over the weekend? Didn’t get a chance to watch the game over the weekend, was told the problem?

I know we typically shouldn’t judge premos too harshly off pre-season games but with every other halfback seemingly putting up 150s I’m starting to second guess one of the few players who hasn’t left my side all pre-season.

Same for me. Downside is, he's only a one season premo so far and really only off the back of the 2nd half of a bodgy season. New coach, new players down back, Corr and Zeibell. I have grave concerns now about him being value.

 

[Barnzy]

I am warming to Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

after I saw CBA stats from the praccy. Has improved his score every year. 54 -> 74 -> 81.

Natural progression says he goes from 81 to 85-90 in his 4th year but with that role change he should be at 90-95+.

Any Saints fans know if this role is locked in? Not sure if he can be a keeper or not.

 

[Suma Magic]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Whitfield 114
3. Daniel 112
4. Short 109
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

 

[Deadly6]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Whitfield 114
3. Daniel 112
4. Short 109
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

Total points more relevant than averages for premos?

 

[Juzzomac]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Daniel 112
3. Whitfield 111
4. Short 110
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

Fun game, I'll happily guess and have a look back at the end of the year and see how wrong I was

1 - Lloyd 115
2 - Whitfield 111
3 - Laird 108
4 - Ryan 107
5 - Daniel 107
6 - Williams 105

 

[toxic]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Whitfield 114
3. Daniel 112
4. Short 109
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

And more importantly

By total points?

 

[Suma Magic]

Total points more relevant than averages for premos?

Agreed

Or I usually guess total games played and an average, and then make an assumption on the score the player gets when injured, like 65-70 from his replacement. That gives the real expected average.

 

[Seymour Skinner]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Whitfield 114
3. Daniel 112
4. Short 109
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

I've guessed 5 of the 6 you have.

No love for Laird?

 

[Suma Magic]

And more importantly

By total points?

Using the approach above, i have their real averages as:

Lloyd 117.5
Daniel 109.9
Whitfield 107.3 (from getting picked mid season)
Short 105
Ryan 104.1
Laird 103.2
Stewart 103.2

 

[Suma Magic]

I've guessed 5 of the 6 you have.

No love for Laird?

Im guessing 105.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Whitfield 114
3. Daniel 112
4. Short 109
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

do you seriously think 6 defenders are going to go close to a 110 average or above?

 

[Schulzenfest]

What do people make of Luke McDonalds output over the weekend? Didn’t get a chance to watch the game over the weekend, was told the problem?

I know we typically shouldn’t judge premos too harshly off pre-season games but with every other halfback seemingly putting up 150s I’m starting to second guess one of the few players who hasn’t left my side all pre-season.

Hasn't entered my side all preseason. Has been a spud for all but half a season of his career, was playing a new extremely SC friendly role last year which is under threat now with a new coach and Ziebell + Corr added across North's half back line. I think he's a huge trap.

 

[stevebbb]

do you seriously think 6 defenders are going to go close to a 110 average or above?

We never thought rucks would score this much, then they added the hitouts to advantage points. The kick-ins counting as kicks last season, now the man on the mark for the kick-in is further back, trying to force a more kick based, run and carry, handball receive game, the half back flankers could go mental. Yes they'll cop some attention from pressure forwards, but they'll be the players getting the monster scores most of the time. Game will slow down as coaches work stuff out and the wet weather comes into play, but until then, I'm backing in the defenders to go big this season. Last year so many went 95+, new rules should help increase that by 5-10 imo

 

[Suma Magic]

do you seriously think 6 defenders are going to go close to a 110 average or above?

Yes. It’s just 3 kick play ons different to get from 100 to 110.

 

[mochacinolatte]

We never thought rucks would score this much, then they added the hitouts to advantage points. The kick-ins counting as kicks last season, now the man on the mark for the kick-in is further back, trying to force a more kick based, run and carry, handball receive game, the half back flankers could go mental. Yes they'll cop some attention from pressure forwards, but they'll be the players getting the monster scores most of the time. Game will slow down as coaches work stuff out and the wet weather comes into play, but until then, I'm backing in the defenders to go big this season. Last year so many went 95+, new rules should help increase that by 5-10 imo

You could also argue wingers could get points increase as they got more licenses to hit the corridor.

 

[Hai_Newman]

My guess of the top 6 defenders this year, on average, assuming Whitfield plays half or two thirds of the year.

1. Lloyd 120
2. Whitfield 114
3. Daniel 112
4. Short 109
5. Ridley 109
6. Stewart 108

Im confident that this guess won’t be correct.

1. Lloyd
2. Whitfield
3. Daniel
4. Short
5. Ridley
6. Stewart

 

[ImissFrosty]

You could also argue wingers could get points increase as they got more licenses to hit the corridor.

That's why I have Brad Hill and Josh Kelly in my side atm. If your team wouldn't want you kicking the ball inside 50 or you can't have an impact inside 50 you're not in my side. Harmes a notable exception.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

do you seriously think 6 defenders are going to go close to a 110 average or above?

Yes but only in Suma Magic team

 

[Raveneyes]

I am warming to Hunter Clark after I saw CBA stats from the praccy. Has improved his score every year. 54 -> 74 -> 81.

Natural progression says he goes from 81 to 85-90 in his 4th year but with that role change he should be at 90-95+.

Any Saints fans know if this role is locked in? Not sure if he can be a keeper or not.

Crouch, Jones, and even Hannebery to come back in.

Back to the HBF with you, Hunter

 

[Andrew Birch]

Crouch, Jones, and even Hannebery to come back in.

Back to the HBF with you, Hunter

What if he kills it in that role while they're away? Club's not going to go, sorry Hunter you've clearly arrived as a stud AFL mid but you're going to have to make way for one of these 3 plodders who are a level below you.

 

[Hai_Newman]

Crouch, Jones, and even Hannebery to come back in.

Back to the HBF with you, Hunter