List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Footypie32]

Good Lord, I’m not. Giving up Seedsman for the likely benefit of getting the same or worse pick 12 months early?

Do you think Seedsman plays any part in our next premiership?

 

[1990crow]

That’s what I first wrote, but changed it to not seem too hysterical

It’s highly likely. List profile won’t be that much different to this year in terms of games played.
Senior guys will be a year older and no guarantee Tex will be the same as this year which has resulted in most of our wins.

 

[jackster83]

If north get a bounce, hawthorn take to their new coach and collingwood with another daicos find something, we had want to be careful that it won't be pick 1 next year..certainly not out of the realms of possibility

Especially if we keep picking the same midfield.

 

[1990crow]

Do you think Seedsman plays any part in our next premiership?

2022 first rounder pick 2 would be more likely than 2021 pick 5.

 

[Sanders]

Do you think Seedsman plays any part in our next premiership?

I’m not sure Doedee plays a part in our next premiership - should we give him away too?

 

[Shaz2012]

I’m not sure Doedee plays a part in our next premiership - should we give him away too?

For Horne? Yes. Everyone has a price, especially when you are in bad shape.

Love Doedee though. Lucky that trade would never happen.

 

[Sanders]

For Horne? Yes. Everyone has a price, especially when you are in bad shape.

Love Doedee though. Lucky that trade would never happen.

I said “give” him away. That’s what the other blokes trade values Seedsman as: steak knives

 

[Danger in Texas]

Seedsman could well win our B&F and take him out of the side, and our 2022 first will have a pretty good chance of being at least as good as the pick we get in this year

Seedsman & 2022 pick 4-7 for 2021 pick 5 looks a pretty bad deal to me

Traditionally to move a pick forward a year, you have to give up more than the current pick’s value. I’m pretty sure there’s a ton of examples of this from when future trading was introduced

I still lean towards no on that deal FWIW, considering we don’t have a bonafide Seedsman replacement yet, but it makes sense from GC’s perspective at least, rather than the other PlayStation deals I’ve seen

 

[Footypie32]

I’m not sure Doedee plays a part in our next premiership - should we give him away too?

Well I disagree with your assessment. Plus Doedee is captain in waiting.
Seedsman's value is as high as it will ever be, especially to GC.
I want another classy mid desperately after watching that performance last night. I think we get that with pick 5 this year.

 

[ABAB]

Confident? Not sure what you mean there. I'm assuming it will be a top 5 pick.
But I'd rather pick up a 2nd top line mid this draft and get a year of development into them than wait another year and maybe miss out.
Will I be disappointed if we finish bottom next season? Of course. But that's the risk. I'm willing to take those odds.

Only if GCS has pick 1 as Horne is clearly the best midfielder in this year's draft.

 

[Sanders]

Traditionally to move a pick forward a year, you have to give up more than the current pick’s value.

I don’t know about that. Teams often back themselves to improve, but I don’t recall too many examples of their being a premium for moving picks forward. Or at least nothing of note

 

[Sanders]

Well I disagree with your assessment. Plus Doedee is captain in waiting.
Seedsman's value is as high as it will ever be, especially to GC.
I want another classy mid desperately after watching that performance last night. I think we get that with pick 5 this year.

So you think Seedsman’s value has never been higher but you want to give him away for virtually nothing?

It’s a no from me dawg

 

[Jeffcrowe]

For player comparison not really sure - haven’t seen him myself. 19 goals in 9 U18 games and apparently playing good footy in the ruck for Trinity College.

For mine the best key forward in U18 is Felix Packer. Huge brute of a kid. 20 goals in 6 games for Sturt and 23 from 6 for school. But couldn’t make the state squad so what would I know ha ha.

Seb’s son ? ( former listed crows player that was a star but injured his knee playing basketball and never got over it )

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If north get a bounce, hawthorn take to their new coach and collingwood with another daicos find something, we had want to be careful that it won't be pick 1 next year..certainly not out of the realms of possibility

When you consider Tex might not play as well next year we are a huge chance to win the wooden spoon again next season

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I actually think at some point it's healthy for a rebuilding team to trade out its future first round pick

Take away any inkling of incentive for losing so that it's not a consideration in any aspect of selection or player management or performance.

Maybe not this year though...

 

[Crow till I die]

I actually think at some point it's healthy for a rebuilding team to trade out its future first round pick

Take away any inkling of incentive for losing so that it's not a consideration in any aspect of selection or player management or performance.

Maybe not this year though...

You should post that on the carlton board

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I actually think at some point it's healthy for a rebuilding team to trade out its future first round pick

Take away any inkling of incentive for losing so that it's not a consideration in any aspect of selection or player management or performance.

Maybe not this year though...

Like this thinking

it also needs to happen when we are targeting a certain player(s) or player type

not all drafts are equal , pick 5 might be better than pick 3 the next year

better than pick 1 ? … unlikely but possible too

 

[Sanders]

I actually think at some point it's healthy for a rebuilding team to trade out its future first round pick

Take away any inkling of incentive for losing so that it's not a consideration in any aspect of selection or player management or performance.

Maybe not this year though...

That was the basis for the Stocker trade. Then those ****ers went and sacked Bolton halfway through the year

 

[Crows I Am]

Hawthorn gone into tank mode.
North already woeful
Collingwood wanted to keep their coach.

We need to put guys in for surgery

We don't even need to that, I don't think we could play any worse than we did last night. Keep that up and we wont win another game.

 

[DaKids]

Seb’s son ? ( former listed crows player that was a star but injured his knee playing basketball and never got over it )

Yes. Could be anything but like Hugo Kittel, too hooked into rowing.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I don’t know about that. Teams often back themselves to improve, but I don’t recall too many examples of their being a premium for moving picks forward. Or at least nothing of note

It’s a fine line between teams backing themselves in to improve and simply paying more to get their pick into this year. The Melb/NM 2019 trade that saw the Dees get Kozzy was Melb’s 2020 1st, a mid 2nd and a late 3rd (I think) for pick 8 or so, just after the Dees finished 17th. Definitely risky at the time, almost too risky (although it worked out for them)

Granted, it’s different giving away a senior player in a deal like that as it’s practically begging for a lower ladder position, but current picks do seem to have more value usually

 

[Mutineer]

I’ve not seen either of his last 2 games personally but if I had to put 2 + 2 together I might come up with his side being obliterated last week against Westies. Now the thing about that was Westies had midfield guns Kobe Ryan and Tyson Coe back from Sacred Heart. Those 2 did a number on the North midfield which may have knocked him a bit.

This week he maybe lost some confidence from last week? Little Maxy Blacker has also returned for North from St Peters and got a ton of it today, so maybe took some midfield play away from Hugh? No Linke or Dudley for Centrals though with their midfield anchored by an U16. Should have done a bit better I think. See how he goes next week. No injury that I’ve heard of.

On another note have you noticed Zac Becker at Sturt - killed it in reserves today. Probably not a need for Crows but must be rising on draft boards.

ZAC BECKER – SCOTCH

Scotch’s Zac Becker tackles St Michael’s opponent Mitch Guidera in a match last season. Picture: AAP/Morgan Sette
Zac Becker was strongly touted headed into the season but his blistering campaign so far has still exceeded expectations.

The Sturt product has shown his versatility as well.

Becker booted 11 goals in Scotch’s round three win over St Michael’s then went into defence in round five to hold down St Peter’s gun Morgan Ferres in a big upset victory.

“He’s been a standout at both ends of the ground as well as being very consistent,” Scotch coach Ben Nelson said.

“Zac’s probably been in our top three every game.”

Becker has also played one reserves game this season for Sturt, along with four under-18

 

[DaKids]

ZAC BECKER – SCOTCH

Scotch’s Zac Becker tackles St Michael’s opponent Mitch Guidera in a match last season. Picture: AAP/Morgan Sette
Zac Becker was strongly touted headed into the season but his blistering campaign so far has still exceeded expectations.

The Sturt product has shown his versatility as well.

Becker booted 11 goals in Scotch’s round three win over St Michael’s then went into defence in round five to hold down St Peter’s gun Morgan Ferres in a big upset victory.

“He’s been a standout at both ends of the ground as well as being very consistent,” Scotch coach Ben Nelson said.

“Zac’s probably been in our top three every game.”

Becker has also played one reserves game this season for Sturt, along with four under-18

Thank you so much for digging that out - wonderful.

This morning for Sturt ressies he has 24 touches, 7 marks, 5 inside 50m and a whopping 10 rebound 50m. Mystery to me no one is talking about him.

 

[Sanders]

It’s a fine line between teams backing themselves in to improve and simply paying more to get their pick into this year. The Melb/NM 2019 trade that saw the Dees get Kozzy was Melb’s 2020 1st, a mid 2nd and a late 3rd (I think) for pick 8 or so, just after the Dees finished 17th. Definitely risky at the time, almost too risky (although it worked out for them)

Granted, it’s different giving away a senior player in a deal like that as it’s practically begging for a lower ladder position, but current picks do seem to have more value usually

What premium did GWS pay for Collingwood’s first this year?

 

[Thunderstruck]

Becker certainly not unoticed, he's a bloody versatile footballer, you can legit put him in almost any position and he will play it beautifully.

Gilchrist a lovely contested grab, Trinity have a good one there. Prefer him to Cooke.